clicking on lower part of a midi/audio track SHOULDNT mute the rest of the take lanes

gustabo
I read that they removing the default key bind because so many people were enabling it by accident and not realizing that they had.

Well this is funny...
They removed "o" because people hit "o" by accident while this doesnt brake anything BUT they introduce comping tool and a functionality that is hard coded and no enable/disable options and this brakes stuff by accident, and this is not only when comping mode is active but all the time, I mean clicking on lower part of a midi/audio track SHOULDNT mute the rest of the take lanes, why is this not a problem for anybody?? Nobody uses take lanes or what? I've been complaining about this for a while now. Please make it an option! It shouldnt be that hard... Or? Please respond cake people...

An example for people working in after effects (or photoshop) , imagine you have many precomps, in those precomps you have many layers, now if you click on the lower part of a layer, the rest of the layers in this precomp would mute (not visible) except the one you clicked on, crazy right? Outrageous if you ask me.
There is a solo/mute button for a reason, it shouldnt be contextual clip property like the other tools like clip fade in/fade out etc..

thank you for the headaches with this over the years cakewalk, worst part, there is no option to disable it...

orhanproject

gustabo
I read that they removing the default key bind because so many people were enabling it by accident and not realizing that they had.

Well this is funny...
They removed "o" because people hit "o" by accident while this doesnt brake anything BUT they introduce comping tool and a functionality that is hard coded and no enable/disable options and this brakes stuff by accident, and this is not only when comping mode is active but all the time, I mean clicking on lower part of a midi/audio track SHOULDNT mute the rest of the take lanes, why is this not a problem for anybody?? Nobody uses take lanes or what? I've been complaining about this for a while now. Please make it an option! It shouldnt be that hard... Or? Please respond cake people...

An example for people working in after effects (or photoshop) , imagine you have many precomps, in those precomps you have many layers, now if you click on the lower part of a layer, the rest of the layers in this precomp would mute (not visible) except the one you clicked on, crazy right? Outrageous if you ask me.
There is a solo/mute button for a reason, it shouldnt be contextual clip property like the other tools like clip fade in/fade out etc..

thank you for the headaches with this over the years cakewalk, worst part, there is no option to disable it...

what does that have to do with the issue above?  if you want to rant, do it in your own thread.
besides, cakewalk employees are not necessarily going to see anything in this thread.  for one thing this is a user forum and they don't read all the threads!
 
if you have a legitimate complaint - take it up with cakewalk directly.  ranting about it in another person's thread makes no sense.
 
No longer applies - I split the topic out so that orhanproject can get help with his problem.

I used to the think the O key was a nightmare when I was young and naive. When I grew up and realised how clever it was it made a huge difference to my mixing. It does make sense to have a button light up to show that you are in offset mode but I think I'll do the key binding as I regularly use it.

Grum.

Anderton

orhanproject
BUT they introduce comping tool and a functionality that is hard coded and no enable/disable options and this brakes stuff by accident, and this is not only when comping mode is active but all the time, I mean clicking on lower part of a midi/audio track SHOULDNT mute the rest of the take lanes, why is this not a problem for anybody??

 
Because that's not what happens when I use comping, therefore it's not a problem. But I may not understand exactly what your problem is. When you shift+space bar to start playing a clip, and use the arrow keys to navigate (as you're supposed to do with speed comping), all muting and soloing happens transparently and automatically. It doesn't matter where I click, nothing else gets muted.
 
Maybe you could start a thread about this specific issue that explains it in more detail? 

Thanks for answering Craig

I'll make a new thread but for now Im going to reply hou here (sorry for hijacking thread again)

"When you shift+space bar to start playing a clip, and use the arrow keys to navigate (as you're supposed to do with speed comping)"

Yes, when doing this speed comping its all fine, it works as it should BUT my problem is when you don't do speed comping, the "click on lower area of midi/audio clips" behaves the same way as in speed comping, which for me shouldnt be like that... This is my problem because you are still in "sped comping mode" all the time... And can easily mute clips if tou are not super carefull with where hou click while doing arrangements on the song...

Don't know if this made it clearer but I'll try to do a new thread and make a videoclip...

@orhanproject... You can change from comping mode to Sound On Sound and/or use one of the other tools instead of the Smart Tool. Pretty sure the first will stop the auto muting and the second will definitely stop the muting. You can just set whatever dedicated tool works best for whatever it is you are doing then set it to the Toggle Tool keybinding and bouce back and forth between the Smart Tool and whatever you choose. Of course you can also cycle through any of the tools with the F keys at the top of the keyboard.

Honestly I'm not quite sure how you are even doing that because I've had moments where I was TRYING to perform that function and had to take a minute to figure it out. I think it requires a double click or something by default. Maybe your mouse is double triggering or you changed a setting in preferences.
 
Anyway... the simplest solution is just not click in the lower half of the clip if that is what is happening. For selections, moving, etc I just click in the header bar of the clip because that's what it's there for. For range selection I think it's the top half.
 
Personally I find the smart tool and ST clip hotspots to be a little busy for my liking and if I'm really trying to do something specific and the ST is annoying me I just switch tools BUT it is simple enough to get a decent workflow going with the ST IF you remember all the hotspots. It is helpful to keep a post it note around that describes all the hotspots and functions of the smart tool. Then you can just give it a quick look if something is giving you a hard time.
 
The other thing that helps is dragging out the lane a bit and zooming in so all those hotspots aren't so bunched up.
 
BTW toggling tools doesn't add a whole lot of extra effort. I used to do it all the time for intensive PRV editing (which was a LOT of repetitions of the same action) and it really wasn't much of a burden once I got into the flow of it. It's just like an instrument. The more you do it the easier it gets.

no problem, guys.  this is a legitimate concern for orhanproject, so I split his part of the thread.  that way it's no longer in the same thread as mine that says "solved" and it can be discussed separately.
 
 

Beepster
Honestly I'm not quite sure how you are even doing that because I've had moments where I was TRYING to perform that function and had to take a minute to figure it out. I think it requires a double click or something by default. Maybe your mouse is double triggering or you changed a setting in preferences.
 
Anyway... the simplest solution is just not click in the lower half of the clip if that is what is happening. For selections, moving, etc I just click in the header bar of the clip because that's what it's there for. For range selection I think it's the top half.
 
Personally I find the smart tool and ST clip hotspots to be a little busy for my liking and if I'm really trying to do something specific and the ST is annoying me I just switch tools BUT it is simple enough to get a decent workflow going with the ST IF you remember all the hotspots. It is helpful to keep a post it note around that describes all the hotspots and functions of the smart tool. Then you can just give it a quick look if something is giving you a hard time.
 
The other thing that helps is dragging out the lane a bit and zooming in so all those hotspots aren't so bunched up.
 
BTW toggling tools doesn't add a whole lot of extra effort. I used to do it all the time for intensive PRV editing (which was a LOT of repetitions of the same action) and it really wasn't much of a burden once I got into the flow of it. It's just like an instrument. The more you do it the easier it gets.

Thanks for the reply Beepster

No double clicking or double triggering, i got a normal mouse, nothing fancy...

since the track layers got introduced back then, i liked them alot and got in to the habit of using many layers (todays take lanes) on many tracks and pretty much on every project, i simply loved the idea and simplicity of having secondary midi/audio recording layers with some variations and just clip mute them and have them all live there, the ones i didnt like or didnt fit to the overall track i simply clip muted the clip(s), and had them there in case I change my mind when carving the song... so in this workflow i got used to I could click on lower part of midi/audio clips without muting the rest of the track layers and it was a safe environment...
(If you ask why I would like to click anywhere , well thats how I set the playhead (now time) This still works but yepp, i might happen to click on a lower part of a midi/audio clip by accident while trying to set the playhead and not noticing that rest of the takelanes got muted. Even when I have all takelanes on tracks open this accident is easy happening...)

This changed when track layers became track take lanes and when the speed comping with "click on midi/audio lower part mute rest of take lanes" funtionality came along with it, my well got used to workflow got in big trouble...

If i would work with only tracks and no take lanes then there is no issue, but take lanes are very important to me. I might be the one of few that uses so many take lanes so this is so troublesome for me and not for other...

Right now, there is 2 ways to solo/mute midi/audio clips

Nr 1 = click on lower part of a midi/audio clip solos the clip and mutes the rest of take lanes
Nr 2 = select a midi/audio clip and hit K (clip mute)

I like Nr 2, no one click accidents here, you select first then hit K (shortcut)


"the simplest solution is just not click in the lower half of the clip "

Saying that is easy but doing and braking an old habbit is very hard... I tried, still trying... But this one beats me...


I used to hide the clip headerbar and use the "maximize audio waveform something" dont remember the correct name. The one that hides the header bar and looks like sonar 8.5 clip mode.. With only the midi/audio text showing on the clips...

All i want is an option to have this switchable when needed, or only work when comping mode is avtive and not other wise....just one more option for the user...

And a slightly different set if you're working with midi notes in the prv

Haven't read every sentence in the thread, but I don't see the word "Smart" anywhere so...
 
The Comp Tool function is unrelated to the Comping record mode. It's a mode of the Smart and Edit tools. It's easily avoided by staying away from the lower half of the clip when using the Smart tool, but if that's not possible, just select the specific tool you want to use instead of using the Smart tool.

Phil G

orhanproject

Thanks for the reply Beepster

No double clicking or double triggering, i got a normal mouse, nothing fancy...

since the track layers got introduced back then, i liked them alot and got in to the habit of using many layers (todays take lanes) on many tracks and pretty much on every project, i simply loved the idea and simplicity of having secondary midi/audio recording layers with some variations and just clip mute them and have them all live there, the ones i didnt like or didnt fit to the overall track i simply clip muted the clip(s), and had them there in case I change my mind when carving the song... so in this workflow i got used to I could click on lower part of midi/audio clips without muting the rest of the track layers and it was a safe environment...
(If you ask why I would like to click anywhere , well thats how I set the playhead (now time) This still works but yepp, i might happen to click on a lower part of a midi/audio clip by accident while trying to set the playhead and not noticing that rest of the takelanes got muted. Even when I have all takelanes on tracks open this accident is easy happening...)

This changed when track layers became track take lanes and when the speed comping with "click on midi/audio lower part mute rest of take lanes" funtionality came along with it, my well got used to workflow got in big trouble...

If i would work with only tracks and no take lanes then there is no issue, but take lanes are very important to me. I might be the one of few that uses so many take lanes so this is so troublesome for me and not for other...

All i want is an option to have this switchable when needed, or only work when comping mode is avtive and not other wise....just one more option for the user...

 
I agree 100%, having the comping tool as an option to work within "take lanes" would actually help bridge the gap beetween what was, and STILL IS great about "layers", and what's good about take lanes. What I find really annoying is by making it ALWAYS THERE the whole workflow is geared toward one thing only : comping! This is very restrictive. Like you, I was using layers for so many other things than comping. No other software offers the flexibility that layers used to provide to us while in the creative process. Seems a lot of people missed out on what was cool with layers, I keep switching beetween x3 and 8.5 for that very reason, and it is completely and utterly re-tar-ded. This is a bit closed minded on cakewalk's side I'm sad to say
 

Phil G, thank you for this! You understood me completely :) ( i thought i was alone on this one)

Its been so many times that I considered to stop using take lanes completely just because of comping functionality is always on on take lanes (audio/midi).... Comping is good when I need it, not always on... Close/one way minded :( agree...

I really hope that cakewalk makes an option for enable/disable comping that is "always on" on take lanes right now. Would be awesome with an on/off shortcut to it aswell, just like snap ("N")....

Phil G, how do we get cakes attention on this issue? Woyld be nice if we got a straight reply on this subject...

Phil G
i think the thread was entitled something like " i wanna love x3".

That would have been a nice positive-thinking kind of title. 
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...es-m2940872.aspx 
 
I'll have to refresh my memory by scanning that thread, but I'm wondering... what's the number one thing you could do with layers that you can't do with lanes due to the comping workflow or Comp Tool getting in the way?
 
 

Come on; just gimme one specific example. The number one thing you can't do with lanes.

You know what gets old? it's that "I don't get it so I don't use it" mentality. Tell me if I'm wrong but what that whole "o" key was about from my understanding was some people would hit the O key and enter offset mode by mistake... and complain about it? and the shortcut was removed in platinum? are we seriously having a problem? There's a name for that kind of behaviour in french, it's called "nivellement par le bas". Google it :/

brundlefly

Phil G
Disable the comp tool.

Snarky answer to snarky response: F7
 
You know what I mean: the number one creative/compositional thing.

you answered it for me! Create, and compose! Comping is not Creating nor composing nor having fun, it is "fixing", tightening, repairing...