Perhaps  whiners was not the best term Ba_ Midi  (funny you chose the word 'sheep' ) 

I need to correct that.

What irritates me are the personal attacks.

When someone tried to degrade someone else by trying to make them irrelevant. ...they don't really have the skills, ot they are grossly misinformed or uninformed...They lack credibility...they live in a different world, etc.etc...

Those are the comments I find personally offensive.

State your facts and let Cakewalk sort them out.

They seem to be very receptive to customer suggestions for improvement in spite of some insulting comments.
 
BTW, "These cars, you can't even feed them hay. It'll never catch on"
 
Great !!
 
Jim

well some other users talk was really fun, there are the complainers about everything, there are the "i stand with cakewalk no matter what fanboys" then there are the bashers of all other DAWs (mostly Pro Tools seems much hated and a well known german product) and there are the ones who say i am pro, you are not, you are a hobbiyist, Sonar is in the kiddy league. And an minority of helpers who seemingly do a full time job  for CW writing down bugs and sending nice improvements wish lists like Cakewalk would be Santa Clause.  And of course, there is the vast majority user group of hobbyists who are just "happy" (by default).
To the complainers, why does not everyone own 2-3 hosts, pick the one which suits each project best like Eratu said, he is the one of the few with a pro attitude I could identify here!
btw what makes a Pro: Earning CASH with audio, enough to buy a house,  cars, whiskey and afford some hottie girlfriends ("background singers"), ok?  And needing reliable Software because time is mostly critical, you dont have time to screw around with beta stage / half finished software.
 
what makes PRO software: STABILITY ! RELIABILITY ! Features for pro musicians/composers( IE NOTATION, hello? ) features for pro FILM COMPOSERS ( scoring to Picture needs a decent video engine!!) If the upcoming patch does not deliver at least stability, I will take a look at X3 again and sell my X1 license on ebay. Try to stop me.
 
The Sonar GUI overhaul seemed interesting but I am back to a competitors product, at least only some minor window annoyance, missing VST slot renaming is the problem there, but no MIDI crosstalk, no weird crashes, no corrupted project files and I have VST3  + really stable audio AND video engine.
 
So no need for any further complaining from my side-- until X3 perhaps:D
but Cakewalk is a sympathic company, best of luck for the future!

Bub

dimelives1

Bub

I haven't get my boxed version yet (Where is it Sweetwater? Damn it! You said I'd have it in my hands by today!)

Got mine today from Sweetwater, Bub. Gonna be installing in a bit. But if you got the upgrade, no box, sry ><

Can you please clarify what "no box" means. Did you just get the DVD's and nothing else? Not a big deal if that's the case, but that's not what they told me when I ordered it, they said it came in the white box, with quick start guide, activation number, and DVD's.

Shrinkwrapped packet including the 4 DVD's in paper slip-cases (with serial - not registration - numbers for X1, Guitar Rig, and Dim Pro on them), the quick start guide, the little hotkey guide, and a piece of chipboard to keep it in shape. Tis all. No box at all (not even like the small fold-out one that came with 8.5). Got all the necessary pieces though.

Shipping envelope came filled with candy too.... Puts the "sweet" in Sweetwater, I suppose ;)

dimelives1

Bub

dimelives1

Bub

I haven't get my boxed version yet (Where is it Sweetwater? Damn it! You said I'd have it in my hands by today!)

Got mine today from Sweetwater, Bub. Gonna be installing in a bit. But if you got the upgrade, no box, sry ><

Can you please clarify what "no box" means. Did you just get the DVD's and nothing else? Not a big deal if that's the case, but that's not what they told me when I ordered it, they said it came in the white box, with quick start guide, activation number, and DVD's.

Shrinkwrapped packet including the 4 DVD's in paper slip-cases (with serial - not registration - numbers for X1, Guitar Rig, and Dim Pro on them), the quick start guide, the little hotkey guide, and a piece of chipboard to keep it in shape. Tis all. No box at all (not even like the small fold-out one that came with 8.5). Got all the necessary pieces though.

Shipping envelope came filled with candy too.... Puts the "sweet" in Sweetwater, I suppose ;)

I ordered mine from Cake, got a regular box, just a tad smaller than the box for Sonar 8. I can't believe Sweetwater is not mailing the "boxed version" in a box!

JSGlen

dimelives1

Bub

dimelives1

Bub

I haven't get my boxed version yet (Where is it Sweetwater? Damn it! You said I'd have it in my hands by today!)

Got mine today from Sweetwater, Bub. Gonna be installing in a bit. But if you got the upgrade, no box, sry ><

Can you please clarify what "no box" means. Did you just get the DVD's and nothing else? Not a big deal if that's the case, but that's not what they told me when I ordered it, they said it came in the white box, with quick start guide, activation number, and DVD's.

Shrinkwrapped packet including the 4 DVD's in paper slip-cases (with serial - not registration - numbers for X1, Guitar Rig, and Dim Pro on them), the quick start guide, the little hotkey guide, and a piece of chipboard to keep it in shape. Tis all. No box at all (not even like the small fold-out one that came with 8.5). Got all the necessary pieces though.

Shipping envelope came filled with candy too.... Puts the "sweet" in Sweetwater, I suppose ;)

I ordered mine from Cake, got a regular box, just a tad smaller than the box for Sonar 8. I can't believe Sweetwater is not mailing the "boxed version" in a box!

JSGlen, you ordered the upgrade? Or the "full" version? I should note that I'm referring to the upgrade physical copy.

@sweetwater: Yeah, they always have the little candies. I just ordered an SDX from them so I'm sure I'll be getting that too.

I hope nobody complains about the off topic hehe

timidi


However, my main gripe and what seems to go largely unmentioned is, what about all the friggin existing bugs and things that don't work that have been there forever? It really irks me that a company can't just make a quality product anymore just for the sake of making a quality product. AudioSnap and the Matrix view were simply added for marketing the product so it would sell more. They work to a certain point where you can go, Oh, well that's cool. And then, that's about it. 
People would struggle with it actually trying to use it in a creative way in a project, time would pass and they would let go of it and move on.  

And then, instead of really taking what is there and fixing it, they offer you the next con.
X1, so you'll focus on new problems and forget the old.

I am kind of numb to it all, to a point, and will probably up/down/sidegrade to X? eventually.
I just get a little pissed sometimes. Sorry.

+1
I completely agree. I jumped into sonar with ver 7pe & most if not all the original bugs/annoyances are still lingering. 1/2 baked editing/routing/automation/audiosnap/matrix/surround/file management just for starters. Now add Pro-channel/Gui/& recall to the mix. You get into sonar thinking it has the best "feature set" for the price. & it does on paper. In actually It offers less usable tools then most.
I find Sonars problem is that they always seem to be playing "catch up". With each release they add 1/2 baked versions of competitor features so they can stay in the game. But ignore the foundation issues like constancy, intuitive precise repeatable editing,routing functionality, ect you know the stuff that a DAW should do well.  We get things like VC64, matrix, skylight, ect ect. while the foundation is what needs the work. Painting over dirt never lasts long. But the new paint job & sawdust in the engine will sell the product for that year.
I would love them to take the "risk" of creating a consistent & stable release. 8.5 was a great move in that direction/development. What happened? The intent of bug fixing was there. Now back to square one. Lack of new fall sales maybe?

IF you chose to upgrade from 8.5 to X1 and downlaoded it AND also chose the boxed copy

you DO receive a BOX sleeve with the X1 picture. Inside the box sleeve is a box that looks like an APPLE packake , it is white with the cakewalk lettering on it.

Inside are 4 DVDS with NO SN or registration, you have those in your email or user account.

dimelives1

JSGlen

dimelives1

Bub

dimelives1

Bub

I haven't get my boxed version yet (Where is it Sweetwater? Damn it! You said I'd have it in my hands by today!)

Got mine today from Sweetwater, Bub. Gonna be installing in a bit. But if you got the upgrade, no box, sry ><

Can you please clarify what "no box" means. Did you just get the DVD's and nothing else? Not a big deal if that's the case, but that's not what they told me when I ordered it, they said it came in the white box, with quick start guide, activation number, and DVD's.

Shrinkwrapped packet including the 4 DVD's in paper slip-cases (with serial - not registration - numbers for X1, Guitar Rig, and Dim Pro on them), the quick start guide, the little hotkey guide, and a piece of chipboard to keep it in shape. Tis all. No box at all (not even like the small fold-out one that came with 8.5). Got all the necessary pieces though.

Shipping envelope came filled with candy too.... Puts the "sweet" in Sweetwater, I suppose ;)

I ordered mine from Cake, got a regular box, just a tad smaller than the box for Sonar 8. I can't believe Sweetwater is not mailing the "boxed version" in a box!

JSGlen, you ordered the upgrade? Or the "full" version? I should note that I'm referring to the upgrade physical copy.

Unreal. Absolutely unreal. All I wanted was X1, in a box, was that so much to ask? I even asked the sales rep three times exactly what I was getting because I was concerned that I was just buying a link to a download. His exact words, multiple times, "You are getting the Sonar 8.5 Producer upgrade to Sonar X1 Producer, in a box just like you would buy in a store, with DVD's, activation code, quick start guide."

I thought only academic versions of software came unboxed so they couldn't be returned for credit at full retail price? Are they pulling some kind of switch-a-roo on us/Cakewalk?

*sigh*

Well, it's 7PM and nobody has showed up with it, so I guess I'll have to wait until next week to see what I actually get.

chrisharbin


that sucks. I'd classify that as something worth complaining about (yes, I'm being serious)

Thanks.

Ya know ... the same thing happened to me when I bought Producer 8. I bought it online from a store that went out of business, they were selling off their inventory at 50% off. It was advertised "NIB. Never opened. Not academic version." I even communicated with them, just like I did with sweetwater, that I wanted it sealed in a box. I got SPE8.0 in a thrice used vanilla envelope with a 4 x 4 inch square piece of bubble wrap that had all the bubbles popped. Just the disks and the book. WTH is wrong with people today? Everyone feels like it's ok to lie and there's no accountability.

timidi

BTW, you can turn on and off the metronome with one keystroke.

Yes, but can you insert a new track while playing a loop?

Freddie H

So can someone tell me what is so great with Pro TOOLS?

Err... it works.

 
After years and countless of horus behind PRO TOOLS HD I haven't seem to find it? (Nice GUI Though)
What do you all think you can do in PRO TOOLS HD that you can't do in other DAWs? I'm very curious?

If you still don't know after spending years behind PT HD (which I honestly doubt) you won't understand from a forum post.

IMHO the only thing you will find is limitations and a overprized price TAG! 
  
 
1. Work with VST-MIDI (TDM- they need to have a own standard too)?  No crapiest in the business

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=15&tab=43

or

http://www.viennaensemblepro.com/
 

2. Still x32bit no 64bit support = Only use 2.8 GB RAM MAX per Pro Tools project.

http://www.viennaensemblepro.com/

 
3. Ram Limits = You can forget being a POWER-USER working VST-Is (TDM-plugin) like Kontakt, EAST WEST, Vienna Instruments, Omnisphere, Stylus RMX, Trillan, and other large Sample libraries...

This is the same as point 2. Anyway: http://www.viennaensemblepro.com/

  4. Record Audio, Yes you can but only use max 96 Audio Channels. 

Simply not true.

5. Icons? No= bad work flow. You read pictures faster then TEXT! You all should try it!

Icons are really for amateurs I find. I never have issues finding my tracks in PT (or Sonar either for that matter. I don't use icons).

Do I need to continue?....

When are you getting started?

UnderTow

mike_mccue


FWIW, I suspect that PT waited until they understood PDC in the native landscape.

I'm, pretty sure it was to please the HD crowd rather than for any technical limitation... (For differentiation).

UnderTow

UnderTow

Yes, it is going to be a complete disaster. Thousands of complaints on the forums... thousands of disgruntled customers... Oh wait a minute... Let's have a look: http://duc.avid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=85

Nope. Less people complaining than on the Sonar forum. There are only 408 posts in the whole windows forum (where one would expect issues specific to the windows version)! And most posts are not even complaints. Just questions. It seems Avid managed to implement ASIO properly in one go. Go figure...

UnderTow

The phrase Pro Tools has become almost like a bat signal.

Incidentally, after reading your comments on the X1 discussion over at GrearSlutz I'm genuinely surprised you even click on the SONAR icon at this point, for any reason. No offense intended, but it just continues to baffle me....after all these years, and increasingly so.

Hi Brandon,

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]


The phrase Pro Tools has become almost like a bat signal.

Actually that wasn't what made me check out the forum again. (See below). And if you would look at all my posts, you would see that I argue against anything that I consider illogical or just not well informed. (See my responses today to dr.hash for instance or look at my response to Mike about the lack of PDC in PT LE. THat was never a good thing IMO). It just that the topic of Pro Tools seems to cause the most uninformed comments on this forum. As I use Pro Tools nearly daily I know that some of these comments are incorrect so I address them. I also have a pet peeve against the thought that it is a given that most software has bugs on a first release. Some, sure. As many as some applications have? No way! Avid have proven that.

Incidentally, after reading your comments on the X1 discussion over at GrearSlutz I'm genuinely surprised you even click on the SONAR icon at this point, for any reason. No offense intended, but it just continues to baffle me....after all these years, and increasingly so.

I'm still in contact with the good folk that wrote that long "workflow enhancements" letter to Cakewalk addressed to amongst others yourself,  about  this time last year. (And in case you didn't realise, I was one of the co-writers). A comment made by one of them in email made me have a look here.

And much more importantly, I still want Sonar to work as intended so I can start using it again as my main DAW for doing creative stuff in my home studio. My main issue has always been the unresolved envelope and audio engine bugs. If those were addressed it would go a very long way to make me happy with Sonar again. If nothing else I could value Sonar solely based in it's feature set rather than on the fact that it doesn't do what it is supposed to do.

UnderTow