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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 16:01:20 (permalink)
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Thanks, much appreciated. The Long & Mcquade guy was pretty shocked when I mentioned Cakewalk closing and the Cubase deal. They sell Cakewalk products but they had heard nothing about Cakewalk closing up shop. They sell the full range of Cakewalk products, including retail box stuff. I'm pretty surprised this information hasn't been passed along Cakewalk's distribution channels...




Yes, astonishing. I mean, that chap should know.
Whatever, we are already on the case and do hope that we come back with more infos next week (for many, it is already weekend)
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 16:28:34 (permalink)
Another misstep by Gibson. Any organization that isn't notifying all their retailers immediately in this circumstance is showing lack of concern for others. Embarrassing is the word I'd use.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 17:52:47 (permalink)
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Fortunately I do have a dongle. I had to get one for my Vienna Instruments library. But they have something called the 9.5 demo project. Not sure what that is, but it's under 1 GB, so can't be much of a demo. I'll see tomorrow what I have, the download should be done by then.
 
 


The 9.5 demo project is the demo song.


Ah, the mystery is solved. Good thing I went ahead and downloaded the 11GB file.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 19:31:34 (permalink)
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My USB dongle for Cubase arrived this afternoon and it all went without a hitch. I'm now an activated Cubase user.


As I have mentioned in a another thread, I could not answer your PM since I'm allowed by the system yet.
My answer would have been what you have experienced - don't expect big problems 


Dear Frank. Are you a Steinberg rep? Would you be so kind to clarify the following situations/concerns for all of us that want to move to Cubase but are outside of the US:

My local distributor is not aware of this special and not even have Cubase 9. So I need and want to purchase it online. My concern is regarding activation of geo-tagged software, support and updates.

SCENARIOS

SCENARIO 1
I go on vacation to US. Purchase the Cubase crossgrade download from Sweetwater. Activate the product while I'm in the US and then go back to my country.

1.a) is that legal from Steinberg's point of view? Am I a legit user from Steinberg's point of view?

1.b) will I receive support from Steinberg.net?

1.c) will I be able to legally receive updates as well as purchase future upgrades?

SCENARIO 2
I go to the US on vacation and buy a BOXED product of Cubase. If I go back to my country and try to activate it, it won'twork because all boxed Cubase sold in the US are geo-tagged to be used only in the US?

SCENARIO 3
If I purchase a boxed version of Cubase from ANY store other than the local distributor for my country, it will never work?

SCENARIO 4
If in any way I am lucky to get the Crossgrade download and I get the famous message "The activation code you entered was intended for use within the USA and you seem to be located outside the USA. While you can still proceed to activate the license, you might not receive any official technical customer support or updates in case you are located outside the USA as this version may be a Gray import." And proceed to activate it.

4.a) is that legal from Steinberg's point of view? Am I a legit user from Steinberg's point of view?

4.b) will I receive support from Steinberg.net?

4.c) will I be able to legally receive updates as well as purchase future upgrades?

Thank you in advance!
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 19:52:42 (permalink)
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There does not appear to be info in the 1064 page manual specifically about the differences.  There is a section about the Artist version but no description of what is missing that you would get in the Pro version.



 Cubase Version Comparison
 
EDIT: oops, missed the end of 35mm's post - oh well :)


Thanks, but that's what I mentioned in the post has NO detail.  All it says is professional notation versus basic notation.


I am now demoing Pro, and have been able to expand to 8 bars across the page. You can do more if you want. The relevant info can be found here:


https://steinberg.help/cubase_pro_artist/v9/en/cubase_nuendo/topics/midi_editor_score_editor/designing_your_score_additional_techniques/score_editor_automatically_c.html
 
The first option is what you want to do.
I'm now trying to figure out how to select any number of notes, like 12 bars worth, but so  far no luck, except to reduce zoom. I just asked on their forum about this.
 
 
 

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 20:09:08 (permalink)
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Dear Frank. Are you a Steinberg rep? Would you be so kind to clarify the following situations/concerns for all of us that want to move to Cubase but are outside of the US:

My local distributor is not aware of this special and not even have Cubase 9. So I need and want to purchase it online. My concern is regarding activation of geo-tagged software, support and updates.




LMG, your profile doesn't mention where you're from, but if you are from Canada like I am, and looking for the Cubase upgrade cost: I've made local inquiries with some Canadian stores who have all said they will get back to me about it, and Frank (who certainly sounds like a Cubase rep) has mentioned that access to the product in Canada will be made possible - if it isn't already. 
 
I hadn't planned on even considering Cubase, but after trying the Essentials demo -- and being pretty impressed with it -- I'm actual entertaining the idea of bringing Cubase on as my back-up / eventual main tool.
 
Update: the guy from my local store just called me back, said their Steinberg rep told him that something is being worked out in Canada, and they'd have more information by the end of next week. 

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 21:23:57 (permalink)
Cubase 9.5 boxed arrived (to me in the UK) from Germany today, I ordered on Tuesday.
 
I paid the extra £6 for media and saved a bit of downloading, it would have been a largish download with the Halion and Groove Agent content etc. This content went to my sample drive without too much bother. The location selection was certainly more obvious than that in the 8.5 demo.
 
First i made a disk image, which I will keep as a frozen in time "Sonar was working" image. Installation and activation was straightforward. I was able to use my existing eLicenser which has another license on it, I did not see the option to order a copy without the eLicencer, so now I have a spare.
 
It has remembered the default project location folder I set up for the 8.5 demo, even though that had been uninstalled.
 
Looking at the VST blacklist, most are 32 bit, then there are Korg Legacy collection which has lost its activation after a windows update yet again. The only point of concern is Izotope, the VST2 have been blacklisted, I hope because its using VST3 versions. I managed to insert an instance of Iris, I will check the rest out in due course.
 
 
 

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 21:25:12 (permalink)
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LMG

Dear Frank. Are you a Steinberg rep? Would you be so kind to clarify the following situations/concerns for all of us that want to move to Cubase but are outside of the US:

My local distributor is not aware of this special and not even have Cubase 9. So I need and want to purchase it online. My concern is regarding activation of geo-tagged software, support and updates.




LMG, your profile doesn't mention where you're from, but if you are from Canada like I am, and looking for the Cubase upgrade cost: I've made local inquiries with some Canadian stores who have all said they will get back to me about it, and Frank (who certainly sounds like a Cubase rep) has mentioned that access to the product in Canada will be made possible - if it isn't already. 
 
I hadn't planned on even considering Cubase, but after trying the Essentials demo -- and being pretty impressed with it -- I'm actual entertaining the idea of bringing Cubase on as my back-up / eventual main tool.
 
Update: the guy from my local store just called me back, said their Steinberg rep told him that something is being worked out in Canada, and they'd have more information by the end of next week. 


Hey! Thanks for your input. Actually, I'm from Argentina. But same situation as yours as well as everyone who tried to place the order through Sweetwater and it was declined (except for our aussie friend Mudgel who somehow made it through). Let's see what information Frank can give us.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 23:04:13 (permalink)
Folks, it is quite late over here... We have contacted in the meantime again the distribution partners that are not Europe or US. If this does not workout for want ever reason, we will have a plan B.

Every Sonar Customer who wants to check out the trial or want to cross-grade is welcome.
And we will find ways to make this happen for those who running into problems.

Best as always,
Frank
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/01 23:59:34 (permalink)
Genuinely appreciate that, Frank. 

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 02:47:43 (permalink)
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Folks, it is quite late over here... We have contacted in the meantime again the distribution partners that are not Europe or US. If this does not workout for want ever reason, we will have a plan B.

Every Sonar Customer who wants to check out the trial or want to cross-grade is welcome.
And we will find ways to make this happen for those who running into problems.

Best as always,
Frank


Finally some words of hope from Steinberg for those of us who want to move to Cubase and are having difficulties getting the crossgrade offer in our countries. Thank you Frank. We really appreciate it.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 03:44:12 (permalink)
i just purchased the crossgrade deal of sweetwather and got this mail.
 
Hi A˜yvind,

We are so sorry for the delay in delivering your software... While most software orders process immediately, something about your order did not verify correctly. This can usually be resolved quickly during business hours. We have assigned someone to investigate and personally see your order through the system. We'll contact you as soon as possible. Thanks for your patience!

Your friends at Sweetwater.
 
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 04:38:33 (permalink)
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i just purchased the crossgrade deal of sweetwather and got this mail.
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 Do i need to document my Sonar or something?

I don't know what the issue might be.  I do know that Sweetwater was insanely busy this week.  In addition to the SONAR crossgrade, I bought an amp that had just arrived in stock.  Normally those orders go out in an hour or two.  This one didn't actually go out until the end of the next business day, which is really unheard of with Sweetwater.  My rep said the place was running nuts. There were lots of Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals that were left running all week.


I'm sure they will take care of you if you phone in on Saturday morning.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 09:32:24 (permalink)
Thanks for your update Teclark7!
 
For those playing along internationally, I've got onto a retailer here in Australia who is following up with Yamaha.  The advice was they are still in the process of organising pricing.
 
So that at least sounds promising, at least something is in the works (and matches up with Frank's notes above).  Thanks also Frank for joining Steinberg back into this thread, the more detailed information is appreciated.
 
I'm not in a massive rush except just don't want to miss out completely, but more to set myself up to start learning an alternative for the future, and given my key interest is better notation Cubase seems an ideal way to go.  So for now I'll wait and see what gets sorted out, I'm kind of nervous about the same questions LMG raises, if I end up with a US copy/serial, will it make life harder when trying to update from 9.5 to 10 eventually, etc.
 
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 13:15:53 (permalink)
It won’t. It’s all legitimate. And as for no Aussie support. I think the fact that it’s still being discussed here, while in the rest of the world the deal is done and available. That’s pretty indicative of Aussie software support of overseas products.

With the conversion to aussie dollars I paid $400 including the dongle. If the Aussie price comes in under $489 I’d be very surprised. Don’t forget there’s GST to pay too. And the wait because there’s no physical stock of 9.5 in Australia according to my source.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 14:41:34 (permalink)
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i just purchased the crossgrade deal of sweetwather and got this mail.
 
Hi A˜yvind,

We are so sorry for the delay in delivering your software... While most software orders process immediately, something about your order did not verify correctly. This can usually be resolved quickly during business hours. We have assigned someone to investigate and personally see your order through the system. We'll contact you as soon as possible. Thanks for your patience!

Your friends at Sweetwater.
 
Do i need to document my Sonar or something?


Well, that's the message we all got before getting our orders declined. You might be lucky, though. Keep us posted.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 20:57:31 (permalink)
They say I can’t use the software out of the US because of legal issues. I can order it by giving them a US address but later the program will complain then it finds out it is not in the US.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 20:59:18 (permalink)
Will we ever get a cross grade lisence in Europe and other non US places?

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 21:05:49 (permalink)
I guess I misunderstood his post. It will work, but it will be a wrong time zone. I didn’t know a DAW had a time zone.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/02 23:35:48 (permalink)
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Will we ever get a cross grade licence in Europe and other non US places?
I purchased my crossgrade in Europe (UK) direct from Steinberg. It was shipped from Germany. The issues appear to occur outside of Europe or the USA.

Before I retired I encountered (non music) software companies that imposed geographically limited licensing, this was a right pain as our business was very mobile and international.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/04 07:20:32 (permalink)
For those Aussie Sonar users that are having trouble locating the Cubase crossgrade offer, Turramurra Music is offering Sonar only crossgrades to Cubase 9 for $399 AUD.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/04 13:29:19 (permalink)
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Another misstep by Gibson. Any organization that isn't notifying all their retailers immediately in this circumstance is showing lack of concern for others. Embarrassing is the word I'd use.



To be fair, the notification could be sitting unread in an email box or a pile of unopened mail.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/04 15:44:16 (permalink)
Hi everyone,
As mentioned we work on a solution for people that facing troubles to purchase the crossgrade offer. We plan to have everything ready by Wednesday.
From Wednesday on, everyone should be able, to buy the crossgrade directly from the Steinberg online shop.
I will come back here, the moment everything is up and running.
Best,
Frank
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/04 16:36:38 (permalink)
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Hi everyone,
As mentioned we work on a solution for people that facing troubles to purchase the crossgrade offer. We plan to have everything ready by Wednesday.
From Wednesday on, everyone should be able, to buy the crossgrade directly from the Steinberg online shop.
I will come back here, the moment everything is up and running.
Best,
Frank


THAT'S GREAT NEWS !!!! That's what I call Customer Support! THANK YOU !!!
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/04 16:40:22 (permalink)
Frank-US
Hi everyone,
As mentioned we work on a solution for people that facing troubles to purchase the crossgrade offer. We plan to have everything ready by Wednesday.
From Wednesday on, everyone should be able, to buy the crossgrade directly from the Steinberg online shop.
I will come back here, the moment everything is up and running.
Best,
Frank


And please, make it available as a DOWNLOAD option, not just the boxed version. It will make it easier both to customers and to Steinberg. THANK YOU!
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/04 16:58:01 (permalink)
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Joe_A
Another misstep by Gibson. Any organization that isn't notifying all their retailers immediately in this circumstance is showing lack of concern for others. Embarrassing is the word I'd use.



To be fair, the notification could be sitting unread in an email box or a pile of unopened mail.


IMHO a notification of this sort to retailers would be a series of communications over a period of time. Coordinating pre-Cake closing, through closing, what to do with any inventory, future goals, conveying "But Gibson is still strong etc etc" ( which may or may not be true). But more that just one email to one person at each Retailer.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/04 18:41:47 (permalink)
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Joe_A
Another misstep by Gibson. Any organization that isn't notifying all their retailers immediately in this circumstance is showing lack of concern for others. Embarrassing is the word I'd use.



To be fair, the notification could be sitting unread in an email box or a pile of unopened mail.


IMHO a notification of this sort to retailers would be a series of communications over a period of time. Coordinating pre-Cake closing, through closing, what to do with any inventory, future goals, conveying "But Gibson is still strong etc etc" ( which may or may not be true). But more that just one email to one person at each Retailer.



I would go so far as to speculate that Gibson has a vendor/retailer channel website that they can log into to get the  latest news, create orders, billing, service advisories... but, again, that depends on someone at the stores logging in and actually READING the latest bulletins.

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/04 20:29:53 (permalink)
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Frank-US
Hi everyone,
As mentioned we work on a solution for people that facing troubles to purchase the crossgrade offer. We plan to have everything ready by Wednesday.
From Wednesday on, everyone should be able, to buy the crossgrade directly from the Steinberg online shop.
I will come back here, the moment everything is up and running.
Best,
Frank


And please, make it available as a DOWNLOAD option, not just the boxed version. It will make it easier both to customers and to Steinberg. THANK YOU!

Yes, it will be download.
 
Best,
Frank
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/04 21:16:12 (permalink)
Detwoen
For those Aussie Sonar users that are having trouble locating the Cubase crossgrade offer, Turramurra Music is offering Sonar only crossgrades to Cubase 9 for $399 AUD.


Please correct me if I'm wrong...
In the US isn't a cross grade approx 255.00, or was it 355.00 give or take? I thought I saved the earlier numbers bouncing around but can't promptly find it.
*Hey I'm sure I put it somewhere safe so I'd be able to find it and when someday I do I'll remember where. 😁😁

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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg 2017/12/05 15:39:43 (permalink)
Does Cubase have an equivalent Ripple Edit function?
 
Thanks for input!
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