RE: the OP

I for one, don't think that Sidroe was calling anyone OUT with his post but rather stating his opinion of what he needs or doesn't need in an update of X1. If anyone read this post and took it personal well....

I hate to admit this but I have been in music for almost 50 years now.  Both professionally and as a hobby (in these last 15 years).  When I worked it professionally, it quickly lost its magic (for me) and did in fact "turn into a job".  

Once family and financial obligations took over, I put aside music for about 10 years and one day started futzing around and the fun came back.

However, my point of this personal historical diatribe, is that we should all try to keep music FUN and the wonderment of it all is that no matter how much experience, the individual technical skills, etc., there is always new discoveries and awareness that happens no matter how old we get.

You gotta love it.

Jim

Eyes


That aside and back to the original point.... there is a week left in July. Are there any updates or details on the newest release? I remember Brandon (I think...) said seperate snap values, but anything else known?

It's a friggin patch. It's going to have bug fixes, not a revamped notation view or step sequencer. You can bet the embarrassing stuff like ProChannel turning itself on will be fixed. The big banner feature will be giving us back separate snap values.

cryophonik

Sidroe


If you wish to dismiss me as an old guitar playing hippie that is your choice.  If you read my original post,I have tried to be respectful....AGAIN, I say, if you find offense, I apologize.

I don't dismiss you as an old guitar playing hippie - you obviously did not read the sarcasm in my post that was meant to show how foolish making such stereotypes make us look.  And, no, implying that people who make "techno" aren't musically educated was not respectful and not even any more correct than my sarcastic response.  Regardless, apology accepted as far as I'm concerned.  Let's move on.

Just a quick cultural obvservation.
I'm from the UK and knew immediately that your original rant was meant as a 'leg pull' and I accordingly had a good chuckle at it.  I'm always a little bemused how such obvious wit is taken literally by some of our cousins across the water.  I mean no offence, as I said, it's an interesting cultural thing.  We in the UK tend to take the p**s out of each other pretty well constantly, just for a laugh, so I guess we're more attuned! 

Notecrusher

Eyes


That aside and back to the original point.... there is a week left in July. Are there any updates or details on the newest release? I remember Brandon (I think...) said seperate snap values, but anything else known?

It's a friggin patch. It's going to have bug fixes, not a revamped notation view or step sequencer. You can bet the embarrassing stuff like ProChannel turning itself on will be fixed. The big banner feature will be giving us back separate snap values.

For the record, they have said it will feature "a host of new enhancements including a fresh UI overhaul for the Loop Construction View and Step Sequencer 2.0". Which is nice, given that all anyone would reasonably expect would be, as you say, bug fixes.

On the blurb page, they also say this, which has gone wholly unremarked on these forums, it seems: "And that is just the summer! We have even more exciting news in the works for SONAR X1 through the rest of 2011 - so stay tuned! Cakewalk is expanding on what you might expect from SONAR and breaking from tradition to make SONAR X1 very simply the best DAW in the industry."

Which is non-specific, granted, but certainly points to continuing improvements and support - note it says make "X1" the best, not "the X series" or "x2" or anything.

Odd that someone would seemingly stop reading at the first mention of a feature they weren't interested in, come on the forums, and explain how this means Sonar is now going to come as a box containing two rocks to bang together, and that might be fine for the rest of us mentally sub-normal, incapable of do-re-me-ing clowns, but not for him.

The weird combination of excessive over-estimation of one's own fabulousness and staggering pessimism about literally everything else is a strangely prevalent thing around these parts. I wish it were a bit less so.

I Hope I Didn't Offend Anyone*



* Ok, I admit I'm not that bothered either way.

You know, if you could manage just one post without some kind of snippy rider on the end about how the difference of opinion is caused by the fact that you have better skills than everyone else / better manners than everyone else / better whatever than anyone else, it would really make you a lot less wide open to the rebukes you've had.

bermuda


Alot of folk really don't understand that a loops are not just strung together. They are chopped, cut, modulated filtered, processed, bit crushed etc etc etc  and ultimately changed to resemble nothing like their original state, length, sound or groove in many cases.  This is a musical talent beyond simply playing a guitar. 

I...uh...well...I mean...oh nevermind.

ba_midi

We're way beyond stereotypes here... More like 7.1types! Keni

Funny Keni :P

Welcome back Billy! I was missing you!

Keni

I guess it depends on "how" you come to your final product.  For instance, if you are a knowledgable synth programmer you can start out with nothing but a simple sine wave, say, and, using your knowledge of the filters, adsr envelopes, lfos, etc... create the wonderful rhodes-like electric piano sound you hear in your mind.  Or...you can simply turn knobs and push buttons until a sound emerges from your synth that you like...then save that as a patch.  If one knows beforehand what the musical outcome of all the filtering, bit crushing, modulating, etc...will be on the loop they happen to be working on and are capable of acheiving it through said "mangling"  then yes, by all means, that's both a skill and discipline similar to learning and playing and instrument.  But if one just "trys things" with nothing more than mouse clicks and their ears until they hear something they like, that is just serendipitous judging.  An apt analogy I think would be sitting in a chair in a large bare room and having a paint crew come in (i.e. your software) and just roll different colors on the wall until you said "stop, that's it".  This would be analogous to simply putting the guitar on your lap and strumming the strings while trying different fingering and chord patterns until you stumbled upon something musically relevant. 

In any case, sorry for once again displaying my well known ignorance:-)

Now back to behaving.

Keni

ba_midi

We're way beyond stereotypes here... More like 7.1types! Keni

Funny Keni :P

Welcome back Billy! I was missing you!

Keni

Thank you Keni :)

In the end it dosn't matter how or what you use to make music or how much you know.. Its all about the end results. <---- who's going to listen to it and or buy it.. 
 Don't be jealous or a hater, you never know maybe one of your tracks you produced ends up being remixed by one of those genre's you dislike and ends up being a huge hit..  
 

another favorite:

http://boingboing.net/201...-matthews-electro.html

I think pretty much all creative people make use of a combination of intended effects and happy accidents. I'm not sure how useful it is to try to separate those things into legitimate and non legitimate categories.

Right John, ol pal.  It's the "using both" that matters and not simply relying on serendipity and personal preference alone.  And don't mind me.  I'm just out walking the parapet this morning, surveying the landscape;-)

jkleban


RE: the OP

I for one, don't think that Sidroe was calling anyone OUT with his post but rather stating his opinion of what he needs or doesn't need in an update of X1. If anyone read this post and took it personal well....

I hate to admit this but I have been in music for almost 50 years now.  Both professionally and as a hobby (in these last 15 years).  When I worked it professionally, it quickly lost its magic (for me) and did in fact "turn into a job".  

Once family and financial obligations took over, I put aside music for about 10 years and one day started futzing around and the fun came back.

However, my point of this personal historical diatribe, is that we should all try to keep music FUN and the wonderment of it all is that no matter how much experience, the individual technical skills, etc., there is always new discoveries and awareness that happens no matter how old we get.

You gotta love it.

Jim

That's why we call it "playing music", not "working music"...

I too have 50 years into this... I have made my living in the music business (mostly) in many ways, but luckily the fun has not gone out of it.... when it does, I'll probably be dead as I love "olaying" music! ;-)

Keni

John T

Notecrusher

Eyes


That aside and back to the original point.... there is a week left in July. Are there any updates or details on the newest release? I remember Brandon (I think...) said seperate snap values, but anything else known?

It's a friggin patch. It's going to have bug fixes, not a revamped notation view or step sequencer. You can bet the embarrassing stuff like ProChannel turning itself on will be fixed. The big banner feature will be giving us back separate snap values.

For the record, they have said it will feature "a host of new enhancements including a fresh UI overhaul for the Loop Construction View and Step Sequencer 2.0". Which is nice, given that all anyone would reasonably expect would be, as you say, bug fixes.

On the blurb page, they also say this, which has gone wholly unremarked on these forums, it seems: "And that is just the summer! We have even more exciting news in the works for SONAR X1 through the rest of 2011 - so stay tuned! Cakewalk is expanding on what you might expect from SONAR and breaking from tradition to make SONAR X1 very simply the best DAW in the industry."

Which is non-specific, granted, but certainly points to continuing improvements and support - note it says make "X1" the best, not "the X series" or "x2" or anything.

Odd that someone would seemingly stop reading at the first mention of a feature they weren't interested in, come on the forums, and explain how this means Sonar is now going to come as a box containing two rocks to bang together, and that might be fine for the rest of us mentally sub-normal, incapable of do-re-me-ing clowns, but not for him.

The weird combination of excessive over-estimation of one's own fabulousness and staggering pessimism about literally everything else is a strangely prevalent thing around these parts. I wish it were a bit less so.

I Hope I Didn't Offend Anyone*



* Ok, I admit I'm not that bothered either way.

Marketing may make lots of claims, but they stay very loose about it so they don't get nailed for un-fullfilled promises... ;-)

I want to believe there is more coming this year... They've surprised me often enuf in the past to leave room for such...

BTW... Too bad the other two items they mention (loop construction and step sequencer) are items I've never had need of in my work model... But I'm glad for those who use these tools... I'm never unhappy if there are tools I don't use... tho maybe a little disappointed if there aren't any that I do use! ;-)

Keni