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December 18, 13 5:57 AM (permalink)

sonar X3d now time (playhead) Lag when moving the mouse cursor on playback

Installed X3d patch last night and noticed a very visible now time (playhead) Lag when hovering around the mouse cursor when I playback my song
 
the playhead doesnt scroll as smooth as before, its very choppy ( playhead scrolling movement looks like 10-15 fps and doesnt update frequently and stands still for a half second at worse ) when you hover your mouse meanwhile the song plays...  if you stop moving around the mouse cursor the playhead Lag is gone and it scrolls more smoothly..
 
don't recall this was happening in X3c...
 
related to this Lag issue, if you have undocked console view and if you grab it with the mouse and drag it around, the movement is very choppy,  its acts like very heavy and not smooth...   now if you close the console window and open it again and move it around, now its smooth (as it should be)...
 
 
anyone else having same issue?
 
here is a poorly shot vide clip of this behavior (btw, what is the best way to show/share quicky videoclips here? a video says more than few words sometimes :))  but you can't miss whats happening :)
 
http://orhanproject.com/temp_sonar/sonar_x3d_playhead_lag_on_mouse_move.mp4
 
 
EDIT : changed LAEG to Lag  (delay)   (I thought it was spelled Laeg?! no?) + added more info + video link
 
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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 6:46 AM (permalink)
What is LAEG?

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 6:59 AM (permalink)
Have a chkdsk and a defrag.... Thanks. Also please RESET and rescan your plugins if you haven't already.

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 7:01 AM (permalink)
 
Yes, what is LAEG ???

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 7:03 AM (permalink)
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What is LAEG?




delay, slacking behind...  :)

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 7:06 AM (permalink)
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Have a chkdsk and a defrag.... Thanks. Also please RESET and rescan your plugins if you haven't already.


did reset and rescanned the plugins last night but no luck...
don't think chkdsk and defrag will help, but will try it tonight, thanks
 

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 7:07 AM (permalink)
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Yes, what is LAEG ???




ah, it supposed to be Lag (delay) ... sorry

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 7:42 AM (permalink)
same situation here.

However this also was evident in X3c.


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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 8:07 AM (permalink)
Have you tried the pause button on your keyboard?
 


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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 8:17 AM (permalink)
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Have you tried the pause button on your keyboard?
 


never tried/used the pause button, only ctrl+space/space bar for play/stop :)  but will test tonight, thanks

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 8:47 AM (permalink)
 
If you can, try using a wired mouse and see if this persists.
 
 

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 8:49 AM (permalink)
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 If you can, try using a wired mouse and see if this persists.
 



+1
And keyboard as well. And please could you update your system and software specs in your footer (like mine).
Much appreciated.

Try this as well:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Driver-Boost-m2928792.aspx
 
chkdsk and defrag is still recommended anyway (issue fixed or not).
 
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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 8:51 AM (permalink)
With the pause key engaged, Sonar only updates the display every second or so (to save CPU cycles), that may be the issue.


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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 9:25 AM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Gregmang December 18, 13 9:42 AM
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With the pause key engaged, Sonar only updates the display every second or so (to save CPU cycles), that may be the issue.



never used pause so this is a normal playback, the playhead moves normally as it should smooth except when I move around my mouse cursor..

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 9:27 AM (permalink)
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 If you can, try using a wired mouse and see if this persists.
 



+1
And keyboard as well. And please could you update your system and software specs in your footer (like mine).
Much appreciated.

Try this as well:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Driver-Boost-m2928792.aspx
 
chkdsk and defrag is still recommended anyway (issue fixed or not).
 
Thanks... 



thanks, Im using a ducky shine keyboard (with cord) and don't have wireless mouse, so I can't really test it...
(will update system specs tonight)

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 9:59 AM (permalink)
I have similar behavior, only when I move the mouse curser around in the track view. It also pauses meter displays on my UAD plugins.

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 2:22 PM (permalink)
Right, mine is working as smooth as in all other versions, using a Logitech wireless S520 mouse & keyboard, if that helps.
 
No perceived problem.
 
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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 2:44 PM (permalink)
Well I had a session today, recorded two tracks no issues like this.
Please check #3 and #12. I suggest running Windows update as well.

Also you mind updating your footer with your system specs (i.e. like mine). We esp need to know what graphics cards you are running (in the footer ideally), so we may be able to identify a commonality, but it could be other hardware as well.
 
If you've got wireless devices set up please tell us as well..

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 2:45 PM (permalink)
Same issue here, but this was a work in progress mix from X3c, haven't had time to try a new project from scratch. I have rescanned all my vsts, my video card drivers are all up to date. Will report back tonight after trying a new project. BTW I cannot defrag as my main system drive is an SSD, I have defragged my other drives.
 
 
 
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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 2:55 PM (permalink)
OH! Maybe try this as well - In windows please do this:
 
Right click My Computer -> Properties -> Advanced System Settings -> Advanced -> Settings.
.... and make sure performance is set as "Let Windows choose what's best for my computer".

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 6:16 PM (permalink)
Hey Alex
 
did windows updates and gfx card driver updates and the "Let Windows choose what's best for my computer" was already set on that...   but still no luck :(  
 
here is a video clip of whats happening
http://orhanproject.com/temp_sonar/sonar_x3d_playhead_lag_on_mouse_move.mp4
 
 

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 6:37 PM (permalink)
I seem to have that too. Can't say I like it but its not a huge issue for me though I would want it to be fixed soon. 

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 8:37 PM (permalink)
I have a major issue with this too. Have checked all the advice above still not resolved
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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 8:53 PM (permalink)
Nice vid...
 
No I'm not having the same issue. I do have a NVidia card but I'm using this driver as I find the latest to be unstable:
314.22-desktop-win8-win7-winvista-64bit-english-whql.exe


Then again somebody has the issue with an AMD graphics card which might rule out graphics card.
 
Having said that the timeline isn't exactly the smoothest scolling experience I've ever seen, it seems to repaint itself rather a lot. I can't remember if the behaviour has changed or not.

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 18, 13 8:57 PM (permalink)
Only thing I can think of is - is everybody up to date on Windows Update like I am?
Do you have the optional fixes installed in windows update? (I've got all of the optional updates apart from Bing and a load of language packs I think).
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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 19, 13 9:34 AM (permalink)
I've updated my bug thread as a "to be confirmed bug" as we can't really pinpoint the cause, even though I can't repro there's enough who can:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Outstanding-Issues-as-of-X3D-and-general-comments-m2952585.aspx#2952585
 

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 19, 13 10:07 AM (permalink)
I'm up to date Alex. I also use a Nvidia card too. Its also up to date. 

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 19, 13 10:12 AM (permalink)
Strange.... I wonder what the commonality is? Can't deny it's not an issue but what exactly is going on if it doesn't effect me?

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 19, 13 10:17 AM (permalink)
Mind you I'm on 314.22 (old nVidea drivers), which seems to be more stable for me (latest drivers BSOD my system periodically!).

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Re: sonar X3d now time (playhead) LAEG when moving the mouse cursor on playback December 19, 13 12:07 AM (permalink)
I was about to update Windows and noticed that it was already fully updated. As it was already updated, the play cursor/line was already lagging.
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