Reaper posing a serious threat to sonar?

you mean there's something free for the iKleptos to steal? that's awesome.
this looks like it barely has the functionality of home studio .. i don't see this
as much of a threat to Sonar.

...no. I don't think it's going to be a threat. If nothing else, there's no way they can afford to update and add new features AND support it professionally at no cost.

However, depending on how it evolves, it might push/inspire Cakewalk to be quicker and/or more innovative with Sonar design. That is always a good thing. I think even Cake would agree.

this looks like it barely has the functionality of home studio .. i don't see this

Post FX recording.

is reaper a threat to sonar?

It's a threat to all audio applications. Just give it some time.

this looks like it barely has the functionality of home studio .. i don't see this

More flexible routing than SONAR w/true sidechaining abilities.

this looks like it barely has the functionality of home studio .. i don't see this

Support for changing recording sources on the fly

this looks like it barely has the functionality of home studio .. i don't see this

Support for 64-bit double precision plug-ins


Reaper looks darn fine.

have a good one
3Eo

ORIGINAL: Infinite5ths

...no. I don't think it's going to be a threat. If nothing else, there's no way they can afford to update and add new features AND support it professionally at no cost.

However, depending on how it evolves, it might push/inspire Cakewalk to be quicker and/or more innovative with Sonar design. That is always a good thing. I think even Cake would agree.

Yo dude, the guy was worth more than a hundred million dollars a couple years back ...all he does is develop software, hang out, and do whatever else he feels like. He can afford to update it however long he wants to, he's not crippled by economics or financial concerns like the other companies, including our beloved Cakewalk, are. If anyone is going to rewrite the books, this is the guy to do it!

...Not to mention the even less strict licensing for the full version of the product: Nag-free, cripple-free, fully-functional shareware ...you pay for it *only* if it makes you feel like paying for it.

IMHO, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this product.

-mr moon

Yes....but when he has 1,000,000+ users (as Cakewalk does), and an application as big and complex, is he gonna be inclined (or even able) to support it like Cakewalk does? ...not without a company. And companies take money to pay employees. Maybe he won't have to charge for it, or maybe it will be cheap. Perhaps he'll go the Juno/AIM route and have advertisements buried in the GUI somewhere.

The article you posted proves one thing: He doesn't like to sit on one project/idea for too long before he gets bored. Folks who work with DAW software seriously need a stable and long-term development plan without dramatic changes every 3 months. I can't see this guy doing that -- not if the RollingStone article is any indication... He basically said this himself in the article. He likes to be on the cutting edge. That is GREAT. But he's not going to consistently compete head-to-head with an established DAW developer. What will be sad is if he runs people out of business, then fails to develop a product that continues to meet peoples' needs long-term. He doesn't seem to want to do that, so I'm betting this will be good for everybody. But you never know...


One more thought: His business model seems to be built around a short-term cult following -- fueled by his cutting-edge development of low-cost/no-cost software. That will always work -- for short periods of time. I've yet to see it really last for a long time. Usually the product starts GREAT and cheap/free and gets worse and/or more expensive over time. Examples: Juno, AIM, Napster, ZoneAlarm, etc. The exception to this rule seems to be Mozilla/FireFox/Thunderbird. But I'm pretty sure they get funding from other sources. In any event, one only has to look at the slow-going but trustworthy development of ProTools to see that there is a userbase for that kind of product -- which is developed by a big, stable (at least by outward appearances) company.

It's only free while it's in beta according to their site. I was going to give the beta a go, but I read something somewhere that hinted at the betas expiring, so I didn't bother.

Have any Reaper users bumped their computer's date up a year or two to see if it expires? I wish I could remember where I read it!

Yup...but how can he personally field 1,000+ calls per day? ...can't happen. Eventually it will get too big to be a one-man job. That's where the bigger and more long-term business models come into play. I don't think that is his area of interest. The RS article indicates that he works AGAINST that kind of model. You've got to have both types of developers.

ORIGINAL: Infinite5ths

Yup...but how can he personally field 1,000+ calls per day? ...can't happen. Eventually it will get too big to be a one-man job. That's where the bigger and more long-term business models come into play. I don't think that is his area of interest. The RS article indicates that he works AGAINST that kind of model. You've got to have both types of developers.

He has other folks helping him out already, so it's already not a one-man job. I think it's just frickin' awesome that he's doing something like this, and I would not count him out. It will be very interesting to see what becomes of this little project of his, methinks!

-mr moon

We'll see... Having read the article about him, I hope that I never have to use any of his software as my sole professional tool for ANYTHING. ...but that is just my opinion.

Well you've convinced me. I'm gonna give it a try. If I can actually plug Kontakt 2 into this thing as a VST and send program-changes, I'm gonna giggle like a schoolgirl.

I'm going to give it a try. I LOVE my Sonar, but I've always used other stuff, too.

Some days are Les Paul days; some days are Rickenbacker days... y'know?

hehe.

very interesting the thoughts presented here.

I signed up just to respond.

Yes. It is a threat to a certain demographic of Sonar, those who wish to do audio quickly and efficiently. having used Sonar, I say this isnt the case with it. (just my opinion, no need to flame)

Yes, it has several updates. 35 in the past month or so.

why?

because the dev listens to the users. most of those updates contain feature requests. not just bug fixes.

The midi features are ever-expanding, and post 1.0 expect to see alot of improvement. I think many here are likely ignorant of the full feature set this program provides. Perhaps you would like to stay this way, lest destroy your happy little worlds ;)

i suggest if you want more information,

visit this thread

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=138133&highlight=

or visit the REAPER forum

http://www.cockos.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=19

ORIGINAL: mr. moon

ORIGINAL: OldGeezer

Mr Moon! That's what I read! lol

The statement the V1 would be reasonably priced, uncrippled and unexpiring led me to deduce that the betas do expire.

Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines?

I brought up the same issue, as I also thought the same way, and was assured that they will not expire. I just hope the project keeps going with the same momentum that it has had up until this point.

-mr moon

it willl DEFINETLY not expire.

ORIGINAL: three_eyed_otter

this looks like it barely has the functionality of home studio .. i don't see this

Post FX recording.

is reaper a threat to sonar?

It's a threat to all audio applications. Just give it some time.

this looks like it barely has the functionality of home studio .. i don't see this

More flexible routing than SONAR w/true sidechaining abilities.

this looks like it barely has the functionality of home studio .. i don't see this

Support for changing recording sources on the fly

this looks like it barely has the functionality of home studio .. i don't see this

Support for 64-bit double precision plug-ins


Reaper looks darn fine.

have a good one
3Eo

indeed.

those who think that this FREE app doesnt have the functions of Home studio should probably take another look, also considering there are a few features that are being held off for the 1.0 release

(which will be uncrippled shareware)

aHa! jason! I was looking for you dude!

You registered just to enter this topic!? Nice!!!


Hear hear. Jason's one of "them".