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Sonar 8 Wish List - October 23, 07 8:49 PM ( #1 )
Hey guys –

I know we’re all still getting our feet wet with Sonar 7, but since there is only a year to implement changes for the next version, I thought I’d throw out my hopes for Sonar 8 now. Since Sonar 7 was “the MIDI update,” I’m really hoping that Sonar 8 is the “Workflow update.” I honestly wouldn’t mind a new version without a single new synth or effect plugin. Sonar sounds great and is absolutely packed with synths and effects now. What it needs are some improvements to the GUI and workflow. I’m hoping Cakewalk will surprise us with some stuff I haven’t thought of, but here are six basic things I would love to see:

1. Cleaner / Simpler GUI - I would like a re-design of the GUI. The sound and features of Sonar are great, but the interface feels clunky and uninspiring sometimes. A little more "slightly 3-D" look to everything (including the clips in the clips pane) would also really help. I would love a single-screen interface with an optional mixer view, but I realize that's probably not coming, so I'd settle for a cleaner, less-cluttered look.

2. Improved Loop / Media Browser – While re-designing the GUI, I hope they implement a better system for browsing loops, samples, MIDI clips, etc.

3. Project Sections and Play Order Track – I want to be able to re-arrange a song without cutting and pasting! It would be great to be able to assign different sections of the song (chorus, verse, etc) to a “project section” and then re-arrange and save different versions of the song. Then, you should be able to “flatten” any version into the main version in the tracks pane.

4. Screensets (Custom Window Configurations or “Views”) – I would really like an update to the “layouts” feature, and be able to recall various window configurations at a single keystroke that included everything I saved: track heights, open plug-ins, transport position, etc. This would be a huge timesaver. If there is a way to do this I don’t know about – somebody let me know!

5. Improved Audio Stretching and Pitch Shifting – I hope they will incorporate a better time/pitch-shifting algorithm directly into the program, or at least improve Audiosnap. Something along the lines of the new Audio Stretch feature of Pro Tools 7.4.

6. Groove Matrix - Can we get a simple version of Project 5’s Groove Matrix in Sonar? Even if it was implemented as a plug-in or something, it would be great to be able to work that way when you wanted to.

Well, that’s it! I’ve already put in my official feature requests for this stuff, but if any of you would also like any of this, please put in a request as well. Peace!

-Frets
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 23, 07 9:32 PM ( #2 )
1) a "select random notes" function - highlight a midi track with multiple notes and have SONAR random select some notes for you to edit. This will allows the user greater flexibility to add random variance to humanize the track.

2) a "dissolve track" function - say you are writing a 4 note chord on a single midi track, this function would create a seperate midi track for each of the 4 notes. This can help string section sequencing quite a bit! also great for surgical drum editing!

3) "add new PRV lane" function - currently in sonar 7.01 PRV view, if you want to add a new PRV lane, you'll have to first click on the "+" sign of one of the existing PRV lanes then select a new controller value you want to add, what a PITA!

4) seperate controller data recording and midi note recording - say you are rercording a midi track while performing controller movment (say expression), SONAR currently will combine both the midi note data and the controller data into a single clip. it would be great if the controller data and the midi note data are recorded onto sperate clips so you can edit only controller data or midi note data.

5) controller data conversion - the bility to highlight a controller data pane in the PRV window and convert it to another controller data. ie: converting CC7 volume data into CC11 expression data.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 12:22 AM ( #3 )


1. Cleaner / Simpler GUI - I would like a re-design of the GUI. The sound and features of Sonar are great, but the interface feels clunky and uninspiring sometimes. A little more "slightly 3-D" look to everything (including the clips in the clips pane) would also really help. I would love a single-screen interface with an optional mixer view, but I realize that's probably not coming, so I'd settle for a cleaner, less-cluttered look.


Got to agree here. What I would like to see is all the more control over the interface. Essentially letting me take control, and thereby anyone else, by which simplicity becomes to each their own.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 1:03 AM ( #4 )


ORIGINAL: Frets
2. Improved Loop / Media Browser – While re-designing the GUI, I hope they implement a better system for browsing loops, samples, MIDI clips, etc.

3. Project Sections and Play Order Track – I want to be able to re-arrange a song without cutting and pasting! It would be great to be able to assign different sections of the song (chorus, verse, etc) to a “project section” and then re-arrange and save different versions of the song. Then, you should be able to “flatten” any version into the main version in the tracks pane.

5. Improved Audio Stretching and Pitch Shifting – I hope they will incorporate a better time/pitch-shifting algorithm directly into the program, or at least improve Audiosnap. Something along the lines of the new Audio Stretch feature of Pro Tools 7.4.

6. Groove Matrix - Can we get a simple version of Project 5’s Groove Matrix in Sonar? Even if it was implemented as a plug-in or something, it would be great to be able to work that way when you wanted to.



Oh hell yes on these but I'd love to see 2 and 3 in a v7 update.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 1:57 AM ( #5 )
1) Offer a simple USB 2.0 or FireWire (1 or the new 2) box we can plug in that will send a finished mix, as all the seperate tracks, into it over the USB / Firewire
cable into it. It's powered entirely off the USB / Firewire bus. Once in that, it internally splits it into 16 or 32 tracks that were sent in from SONAR, on seperate
'wire' paths. Minimal wire or direct metal connections that are better than any wire. Then it internally recombines them as a stereo track to send back on that
same USB/Firewire connection to Sonar to any bus or track. Preferably the master bus for mastering (if you do all your mastering in there, as I do). Also, fully
software controlled. The size of an external hard drive. Full benefits of external summing boxes with a shorter, less lossy path, lower price, and better sound.
If wire is used, solid core copper wire is the least coloring (like Silver can be) and least lossy (as stranded wire can be) and should be considered for that. It
can even be built into (the above idea) an all-in-one multi-channel AD/DA converter box doubling the existing mutliple outputs that terminiate in XLR or TRS
with the internal wire to summed stereo analog path that can go back into a user's computer via the already connected Firewire cable that's plugged into it.

2) A grouping selection of clip automation. Meaning...this. I have 12 clips in a track, that I will want to put seperate panning envelopes on. I have to go
putting one at a time in each. I'd love to lasso or highlight as many tracks as I want and when I go to add automation, all of those will get the same one.
It's easy to say 'just use track automation' but as we know, it's not portable. Slide or copy it elsewhere, you need to draw it again there and it takes time.

3) Full 180 degree (knob or slider) type phase adjustment. Sure we can slide tracks at a micro level and align them as we choose but this could be faster.

4) A playback system plug in. It's that simple. One setting mimicks an NS-10, or more of a PA system or clock radio. No, it won't be perfect and what you
play it back through will be a factor. But in a quality and relatively flat system in a good monitoring room or in quality headphones that aren't too hyped...
with open back design (far superior for mixing) you will appreciate this. Hey it can't hurt and can't be that difficult since algorythms as such exist in lots of
DSP monitors now. You can never have too mnay playback systems to play things through, and it could even be sold seperately from Sonar if so desired.

5) A real vocoder with midi control and a host of really bright, saturated, thick synth waveforms to modulate the carrier, playable by regular MIDI & built
in delay (set up well in its set of pre-designed presets that come with it). So you can dial up an instant great vocoder with midi control, much like what's
in those new tiny Korg keyboards that beats the hard to use, poor synth waveform equipped vocoders that never sound as good as the old hardware will.

6) A really good, multiple option voice choice, text to speech generator. Like Cantor and hearing impared products combined, on steroids and intelligible.

7) A simple sample drop-box exchange for registered Cakewalk users to drop samples in and go access them if desired, organized well into folders such
as 'drum loops' 'snares' 'kicks' 'piano notes' 'piano loops' whatever. Also organized by bits and sample frequency with quality control oversight. Ie. yes a
person who oversees it to be sure they are of decent quality. It sounds insulting to those they'll reject but whatever. Quality beats quantity in this...

8) AAF (or whatever it is, the format similar to OMF) export. Also the ability to export DDP projects for complete albums which can sent to duplicating
places without the loss of burning a CD-R Audio, then they pull that off as a DDP file they can burn from. It saves a digital step. There is loss at every
digital encoding step (burning a .wav to CD Audio, and another at ripping it back to .wav). Do that and A/B the original & new .wav and you'll hear it.
If you can't, then this doesn't concern you as you need to upgrade your monitors or maybe hire an engineer with better ears if you don't hear a loss.

9) Of coruse, that leads us to CD Audio and Data and full DVD burning including Blue Ray, Hi-Def, every possible format. There is never too much. :)

10) Jitter detection. I'm not sure if it can be done or how, but if you can tell how much your getting and even have software that points it out, great.
Room calibration software wouldn't hurt. It comes with speakers now and was just introduced as pure software for PC/Mac I think. Just an idea here.

11) A full suite of denoising software, and an EQ plug-in or whatever that allows the EQ of one song/track to be applied to another real time or offline.

12) This is far out but why not. A seperate program, with or without Sonar, that inspects your PC to - based on a database that is updatable, to find
if older hardware needs new drivers. And also to suggest, even impliment also, optimizations for Windows (the many tweaks we find on various sites).
Optimizing Windows for audio is one thing. It always helps, but surely Sonar has a few things it could work better under if implemented in the system.

Registry tweaks and so on. Users use at their own risk, or it has a step where it tells users to back up or set a restore point in case of the worst but if
enough beta testing is done that likely can be greatly minimized. Also having the ability to install a new number version of sonar (9 over 8) with Sonar
fully handling the uninstalling of what is needed and overwriting of what is needed without us loosing any configurations or presets or what have you...

13) Simple 'Synth Tracks'. They are audio tracks and MIDI tracks, but in one. Not seperate. You can then bounce them down to just audio tracks and
they will become that after the bounce. But having these would greatly simplify things, with one track for every two we have to have involved now (a
MIDI and Audio track that work together to make that happen). Even better, let it stay a 'synth track' so after rendering the audio track you can just
choose to run the synth by muting the track, or uncheck the synth in the Audio Track to hear just the audio (as we can do now in the audio tracks...)

14) A de-esser with multiple options. Side chain type ducking. Compression/level adjustment. EQ adjustment. Phase methods of correction. Of course,
with any EQ done Linear Phase, and better sound quality than anything out now. I'd suggest a third party like Voxengo could try doing that for you too.

15) Increase the bands on the new multiband linear EQ and or limiter or whatever you have in version 7 to maybe 6, 7, 8 or more. More is better. We
can always turn off the ones we don't need or could have an option in it to clean up the GUI to just the bands we need (1, 3, 4, 7, 8, whatever) also.
A seperate EQ plug-in and seperate multiband plug-in (that still retains the abiltiy to adjust levels like an EQ) for simplicity. Much like Waves has. Even
an L3 like beast or beyond (do they have an L4 now?) that gives more functionality in one plug in. Simplicity & minimalism always help wth this a lot...

16) A work-from-home after-hours tech support chat group of contract employees who folks can log in to talk to via text...or an i-Chat kind of thing.
They cost less than keeping folks on-site after hours, can be around the country for different time zones, and give Cakewalk the kind of a real-time
support that no other company offers. Yeah, I know this is way out, I wouldn't need to use it much but others might and I'd be happy to work for it.

17) A system snapshot of all things involved with Cakewalk Sonar's function. I mean all Sonar settings, presets, settings for the audio card software.
One that can be simply run if we install that to a new system after a catostrophic crash. The last thing we need is tons of steps. Not a long / tedious
re-authorizing scheme. Of coruse, compliance from plug-in vendors may be needed, but it's something that could be considered, even if it takes time.
I faced that catastrophy recently and it took weeks to get everything going and none of my presets, saved in the Cakewalk/Sonar/Presets folders for
the DXi or VSTs, were useable in plug ins in the new set up. I couldn't get them to 'point' at that folder. I had to start over without any of the old ones.

18) An advanced cross fade / zero point / split / crop scheme. Defeatable but worthy as an option for us. If I split a clip it goes to zero point now. If it
doesn't for some reason eliminate a pop caused by two waveforms meeting, the software detects that resutling click and then crossfades as needed,
but no more. Not a default fade on every cut. Just where it detects a need. When cropping clips, have it crop to zero point, at least an option to do it.
Same detection so any such resulting clicks are eliminated with a fade that's just enough to do so via analysis. This could even be offline so it will not
slow down work. After a score of such edits, scanning all tracks in an off-line function that takes just a minute or so, that's worth it, at least to me...

19) Something similar to 'Vocalign'. Something similar to a 'Drum Replacer'. Anything like that you think of. Even a band-in-the-box type of Yamaha
PRS Home Keyboard 'auto-arranger' where you can input note/chord/key data or have it do it 'by its ear' for novices. This can expand possibilities.

20) This is an incredibly complex idea, but may find it's way to some software, somewhere someday. Why not be the first? For those of us who have
the dog-like hearing who mix / master prodjects who hear phase issues more than most. We know when two vocal takes or whatever are together in
a typical doubling scenario, at points where the audio tracks are out of phase that can cause dips or phasing. What if this was controllable. As a way
to better phase (and sound) to an adjustable degree, or even an effect to make it 'too perfect' or even more sloppy, or random, by choice. It would
be a very advanced algorythm that looks at the two (or more, but two is a good start) monophonic sound (ie. vocal, lead guitar, no chords, but yes,
that would be a nice option someday too) for phase alignment (stereo tracks later included when able to, that's a lot of looking and adjusting for the
software to do but the results could be huge). This gives the user the ability to fix phase more easily, and as it varies, in a fully adjustable way also.

21) A bass and kick auto adjustment for pitch and frequency. Let me elaborate. First pitch. In bass heavy production, hip hop especially, subby kick
drums can have a pronounced 'bass note' to them that can clash with the bass. The new ducking feature is nice for this, but this is two more steps.

One pitch. Have a bass line that hits E, G, E, D? The kick hitting then, the waveform, is auto tuned in a formant saving way to be that pitch. Or a
real time function for some kind of sample play back device, say a drummer plug-in much like you have now. Option to still tune by hand but in this
one could save that extensive step. It will know when they are in perfect tune, even if octaves apart. Also frequency matching will be a lot easier.

Part two is purely frequency. Meaning, one that applies linear phase EQ selectively based on what both are doing, in a user-specified way. This will
allow the user to set it up and get the low end cleaner and tighter and keep those things out of the way as designated (ie. more favoring the bass,
or more favoring the kick drum, or the low end found in a drum loop created by that kick drum which is a part of that loop). A crazy idea, I know...

22) Grab time stretch like Digital Performer had way back. You grab a waveform and stretch it how you'd like and it adjusts in time...without errors.

23) Oh, also, please make the default setting for the Roland V-Vocal plug in maximum screen size (selectable) and also to have the formant at zero.
It defaults to a formant going 100% with ptich resulting in 'chipmunks/giants' then. I have to move that knob & maximize the GUI each time I use it.
Also, upon re-sizing it to maximum, I'll have to zoom it in to fit the waveforms to be optimally visible. This should be done automatically by that GUI.

24) A real-time useable waveform pencil tool for audio that allows amplitude to be drawn. Also the ability to take two vocals, say in a doubled track,
of two different lengths, and then choose one to 'mimic' by the other. Ie. If one is longer, the algorythm writes the second longer to match it via pre
-seleted strengths. This could be applied to other aspects such as amplitude, pitch and formants even. It could be both corrective, and creative too.

25) 'MIDI Chord Sticking.' Similar to what you have with Sample Tank 2. You pick a chord, but instead of having it stick for the on - screen kind of a
keyboard they have in Sample Tank, it works for your MIDI keyboard. It sticks that kind chord to every note play. Pick Minor 7th, play C get C min 7.
Even give an option in this MIDI plug-in to create your own chord. Some suspended thing with a bass root note. This idea is HUGE...as a composition
tool. I mean you can sit there and play a few notes ... and inspire yourself into song ideas. Anyone who has done it with a synth patch that lets you
play one note and get this a chord sound knows how inspiring this can be. ESPECIALLY in Electronica. This wouldn't be hard for Cakewalk to develop.

26) A better "BOUNCE". Rather, a second option. Bouncing multiple clips to one is nice for cleaner track views and workspace. But, there is a hitch.
I find it slightly degrades sound in a phase-related way that 64 bit busses & working at high sample frequencies cannot negate. There's something a
person did in ProTools (ie. SATAN) that I was shocked to see missing from Sonar (which should ALWAYS be better than PT). He would combine clips.
But not by bouncing. Three clips that Sonar would bounce to one (effectively re-writing three into one, and errors casued by that write being those
I hear, and no, I'm not hearing things when I hear it.) In PT he had a way to combine them, and the space between them (if any) as one clip. Those
three as one, but with no loss. So you get the appearance of one clip, but - it's STILL the same three clips. No loss, no actual re-write is performed.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 12:04 PM ( #6 )
Well, here's one more I forgot to put in:

Ideas Hub -- This is a feature of Sibelius 5 and I would LOVE to have something like it in Sonar. Say you're working on a project, and you come up with a chord progression or lead line or riff or whatever, basically any "idea" -- but it doesn't work for that particular song, but you want to keep it. Well, you copy that phrase into the "ideas hub." Then later, you can go through the ideas hub and search through all your "ideas" for use in other projects. And--here's the best part--when you drag something from the ideas hub into another pjoject, it plays in that new project's key and tempo. This should work with both audio and MIDI clips. You would never loose another idea! The ideas hub should be searchable, so when you're looking for a particular thing it's easy to find. It would also be nice to have a "quick access" to the ideas hub from your desktop without opening Sonar if you want to pop in something quick when you get a random melody in your head or whatever.

-Frets
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 12:23 PM ( #7 )
wowzerz there's a lot here. I'll add mine:

Audio latency toolbar slider

fx bin chain presets
To be honest I was really surprised this wasn't in v7 since a lot of people have been asking for it and it's all but normal to see in other DAW platforms now

Multiple loop regions / playlists / dynamic loop markers
Play order track and clip groups and multiple loop regions can all be examined in the same fashion, but they all result in giving us at least a region playlist functionality

Audio file and asset management tools (soft synth and effect preset batch export) GLOBAL
I think there's probably a great opportunity to merge this with improved loop explorer functionality, but this is another feature I as surprised wasn't in v7. Global management of audio files and the ability to move, rename, and sub-organize to our hearts content please!! Especially for larger studio or in-house installs where the file organization may be dictated by the organization instead of how SONAR defaults it. And after using the plugin manager to try and transfer presets... HELP!

Key-bind clip gain envelope!
A small but tedious process that can be sped up tremendously with a key-binding

Rubber-band default track height to widget contents
Sure you can set default height after the fact, but having this be the actual default would save me days and days of resizing those dang panes.

Improved arpeggiator
Everybody talks about it, everybody drools over P5's arp. Gimme gimme gimme

Selecting a soft-synth track and bouncing to track will be smart enough to not require me to also select it's audio track.
I hate using a folder for this, and I don't otherwise see the need for a soft-synth track.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 12:28 PM ( #8 )
A weekly set of training videos using the plugs and workflow of the product...registered users could send in requests, questions of how to separate a mix etc etc...Cakewalk provides streaming videos accessible by only registered users of Sonar (or everyone)

People would be improving their knowledge on how to do things using Sonar.

If closed to only registered users...then an incentive to purchase
If open to all, then an incentive to buy sonar to try the videos out with something they have been viewing.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 12:28 PM ( #9 )


ORIGINAL: Frets

Well, here's one more I forgot to put in:

Ideas Hub -- This is a feature of Sibelius 5 and I would LOVE to have something like it in Sonar. Say you're working on a project, and you come up with a chord progression or lead line or riff or whatever, basically any "idea" -- but it doesn't work for that particular song, but you want to keep it. Well, you copy that phrase into the "ideas hub." Then later, you can go through the ideas hub and search through all your "ideas" for use in other projects. And--here's the best part--when you drag something from the ideas hub into another pjoject, it plays in that new project's key and tempo. This should work with both audio and MIDI clips. You would never loose another idea! The ideas hub should be searchable, so when you're looking for a particular thing it's easy to find. It would also be nice to have a "quick access" to the ideas hub from your desktop without opening Sonar if you want to pop in something quick when you get a random melody in your head or whatever.

-Frets


Live has a feature much like this where you can save your clips to a library and then use them in any project you want. It is an extremely nice composing feature.

Dang Frets, I like a lot of your ideas so you get my vote!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 12:42 PM ( #10 )
Please revise asset management.

The "Clean Audio Folder" Tool is a useless item, as Cakewalk recently noted. Being able to point this tool at a folder hierarchy would be a great improvement.

We really need more control over clip file names and formats from a central location. The sequential Mix numbers assigned by Sonar have little to do with my Project track names. Perhaps a better way to go about this is to add management tools to the Project Audio Files dialog?

One other request--please move the Piano Roll enhancements to the Staff View. For many of us who have training in music, the Staff view is a logical place for composition, and with this new release, is being pushed further into the role of the poor relation. Can we also share ruler features with these three Views?
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 1:47 PM ( #11 )


ORIGINAL: nagal



ORIGINAL: Frets

Well, here's one more I forgot to put in:

Ideas Hub -- This is a feature of Sibelius 5 and I would LOVE to have something like it in Sonar. Say you're working on a project, and you come up with a chord progression or lead line or riff or whatever, basically any "idea" -- but it doesn't work for that particular song, but you want to keep it. Well, you copy that phrase into the "ideas hub." Then later, you can go through the ideas hub and search through all your "ideas" for use in other projects. And--here's the best part--when you drag something from the ideas hub into another pjoject, it plays in that new project's key and tempo. This should work with both audio and MIDI clips. You would never loose another idea! The ideas hub should be searchable, so when you're looking for a particular thing it's easy to find. It would also be nice to have a "quick access" to the ideas hub from your desktop without opening Sonar if you want to pop in something quick when you get a random melody in your head or whatever.

-Frets


Live has a feature much like this where you can save your clips to a library and then use them in any project you want. It is an extremely nice composing feature.

Dang Frets, I like a lot of your ideas so you get my vote!


That's a mighty fine idea! I'll add my vote too. Everybody don't forget to submit a formal feature request to Cakewalk!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 2:16 PM ( #12 )
My vote:

1) track disolve (for drums especially)
2) improved arpegiator
3) better loop explorer

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 2:25 PM ( #13 )
Here's a tread I started: Tempo view, upgrade
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1180923&mpage=1&key=�
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 2:27 PM ( #14 )


ORIGINAL: mhuang

2) a "dissolve track" function - say you are writing a 4 note chord on a single midi track, this function would create a seperate midi track for each of the 4 notes. This can help string section sequencing quite a bit! also great for surgical drum editing!



There's a Split Notes to Tracks CAL script for that.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 2:53 PM ( #15 )
Some great ideas guys...not much I can add to this other than I still really hate that mouse scroll feature and though I would not like to see it done away with for those that like it, a simple disable would work for me. I'd also like to be able to create a custom console. Not everyone has a huge monitor or can afford one or have the space for one or two of them. The current console has a bit of wasted space in my opinion and can be improved on.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 3:01 PM ( #16 )


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ORIGINAL: mhuang

2) a "dissolve track" function - say you are writing a 4 note chord on a single midi track, this function would create a seperate midi track for each of the 4 notes. This can help string section sequencing quite a bit! also great for surgical drum editing!



There's a Split Notes to Tracks CAL script for that.



torhan,

I am at work right now and can't check, does that CAL script comes with SONAR7?
if not, where might I get it?

thanks!

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 3:03 PM ( #17 )

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torhan,

I am at work right now and can't check, does that CAL script comes with SONAR7?
if not, where might I get it?

thanks!




I'm still on 6...I'm assuming it's still there. If you need it, I can email it to you...just send me a PM with your addy.

Oops -- can you get it here too: ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/CAL/
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 3:10 PM ( #18 )
I agree with the OP that the loop explorer needs improvement. I would also love to see some type of Groove Matrix feature in Sonar, too.

I would also like to see the tempo setting box changed so you just click on the box and move the mouse, without having to click on it, and then reclicking on the +/- box.

Lots of good ideas here.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 3:33 PM ( #19 )
Apologies if this is already there --

Ability to save entire work-space configurations in a single template -- all the tool-bar choices and placements, audio latency settings, global options, dim solo levels, etc. etc.

E.g., when I'm recording I want to have the metronome available, and low latency. When I mix, I don't need the metronome and typically use higher latency. Plus all the many other tweeks I'd make if going back and forth weren't a pain.

It would be cool to have a "recording" template with every one of these settings ready to go at a click of the button, switchable with another click to a "mixing" template. Plus any other templates that seem useful to me.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 5:58 PM ( #20 )
Here's the current list I have:

- Better notation. I hope they will integrate notation better with the PRV so that notation is tightly integrated to the same degree of tightness that controller lanes are. Basically a pane in the same window. When I select a note, see it selected in the PRV, etc.

- Groove Matrix and generally better pattern management for both audio and midi, including ability to organize them, search, audition, audition midi loops synced to whatever is playing in Sonar and transpose midi patterns on the fly even, etc.. Be able to more easily assemble patterns into songs.

- Better integration of VST midi plugin capabilities. Be able to insert them directly into a midi track, the same way we currently can for MFX plugins.

- True midi resolution configuration. Current Sonar is hardwired to 960ppqn internally and the midi resolution setting only effects the PRV/event list in how things are displayed(always rounded off). I want to be able to set the actual internal resolution that Sonar will use to record midi events into tracks, quantize, etc. Also, please provide higher resolutions such as 1536 and 1920. Also please provide 768.

- Chord track concept. Sonar already has concepts about enforcing key/scales on midi tracks. I would love to have the idea of a chord track. Sonar already has the notion of chord midi events. They exist in the midi track but currently are only used for the staff view to display chords. However, Wouldn't it be cool to be able to use those chord events to drive an arp, etc. I would love to be able to use a chord track or chord midi event to drive a pad sound that I use only as a device while songwriting, but probably turn off later. Etc.. Lots of things that could be done with an actual chord track that simply keeps these chord midi events and is somehow capable of converting that chord event into output midi note events in variuos ways when I tell it to. Maybe an MFX plugin that can recognize the chord events and do stuff with it? I suspect also that some interesting things related to the key/scale enforcing I mentioned earlier, could be incorporated to interact with the chord track in some way that is not clear to me now, but maybe would be by the time we get to Sonar9 or 10. ;-)

- I would appreciate GUI improvements as well. Sonar is so powerful I'm at a point where I am just using it and getting used to it. However, I would appreciate more 3Dness throughout..not just the toolbar buttons, but the actual panes and windows and in particular, some 3D ways to partition off the various little areas on the screen. Right now there are many places where the only thing that sections off one area from another is pure color choice. 3Dness will be easier for me to see, it will make it look more like a physical object. I have never been a fan of the flattened color only GUI's that seem to be in vogue for music apps in the past few years, thanks to Ableton, Traktion and some others that went that way for stylistic reasons. IMHO its less functional and I wish Sonar would get back to creating a more 3D appearance, along the lines of Cubase, Samplitude, ProTools, etc. Creating a truly elegant 3d GUI is more difficult than not. Its pretty easy to leave it flat and provide a color scheme editor, leaving it to the users to make what looks nice to them. But frankly I feel abandoned. I don't like ANY of the schemes and I don't want to waste time creating my own. I want Cakewalk to figure that out for me and provide a well thought out GUI that has taken into consideration these kinds of issues, rather than just going for a cool looking color scheme and telling everyone to make up their own if they don't like it. Cubase does not have color schemes and I don't like theirs, but their GUI is light years ahead in this particular aspect of "Human Factors Design".

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 6:32 PM ( #21 )


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- Chord track concept. Sonar already has concepts about enforcing key/scales on midi tracks. I would love to have the idea of a chord track. Sonar already has the notion of chord midi events. They exist in the midi track but currently are only used for the staff view to display chords. However, Wouldn't it be cool to be able to use those chord events to drive an arp, etc. I would love to be able to use a chord track or chord midi event to drive a pad sound that I use only as a device while songwriting, but probably turn off later. Etc.. Lots of things that could be done with an actual chord track that simply keeps these chord midi events and is somehow capable of converting that chord event into output midi note events in variuos ways when I tell it to. Maybe an MFX plugin that can recognize the chord events and do stuff with it? I suspect also that some interesting things related to the key/scale enforcing I mentioned earlier, could be incorporated to interact with the chord track in some way that is not clear to me now, but maybe would be by the time we get to Sonar9 or 10. ;-)



Maybe something like this could help you: ChordSpace Playa
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 6:40 PM ( #22 )
No I don't want chordspace player. I want something I can put chord symbols into sonar and hear the results. there are lots of plugins available for experimenting with stuff and there is always BIAB. I'm asking for an actual chord track. Different than what you're suggesting with chordspace. Sonar already has chord events in the midi track, why not make better use of them?
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 6:48 PM ( #23 )
Be able to preview midi clips.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 7:44 PM ( #24 )
Here I go again:

1) True stereo panning controls
2) Pause button

Please

Thanks
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 7:48 PM ( #25 )
another thing I'd like to see is a button on the transport bar to control whether the metronome has a count in or not, if so, how many beats of count in, etc. I also happen to like the mode where you hear the metronome clicking away, but the transport does not start moving until you hit the first key and that becomes the first note on the track. I am not sure if Sonar even has that. guess not.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 7:59 PM ( #26 )

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I also happen to like the mode where you hear the metronome clicking away, but the transport does not start moving until you hit the first key and that becomes the first note on the track. I am not sure if Sonar even has that. guess not.


You are correct it does not have that. DP has it and I quite fancy it. Here's hopin'....
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 8:04 PM ( #27 )
I would also like to see complete event chasing when starting a sequence from part way through, including chasing all controller events.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 8:20 PM ( #28 )




1) track disolve (for drums especially)



Check out using a CAL routine for this. There's one called 'split notes to track' that explodes a drum clip from one clip into individual tracks. Check to see if it's already installed. Ctrl-F1

If not, you can get it and others, here: ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/CAL/
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 24, 07 8:23 PM ( #29 )


ORIGINAL: torhan



ORIGINAL: mhuang

2) a "dissolve track" function - say you are writing a 4 note chord on a single midi track, this function would create a seperate midi track for each of the 4 notes. This can help string section sequencing quite a bit! also great for surgical drum editing!



There's a Split Notes to Tracks CAL script for that.




Hey Tom, well I didn't see you answer here. I usually don't read discussion threads (at least not thoroughly).
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List - October 26, 07 8:19 PM ( #30 )
How about more visual quantizing tools. Right now we can drag quantize that that's a start, but I would like to see visual cues of what I'm quantizing too. When using groove templates it would be cool to be able to visually see what the effect of a groove map is going to be also... I'm not sure exactly what here yet. Impress us. I think this is an area where all sequencers could be a bit more innovative.
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