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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/09 06:12:51 (permalink)
Time of selection indicator. I'd like to select part of the song and see how long it is in minutes and seconds.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/16 23:55:10 (permalink)
I'm with you there, Vladimir, and I'll post a formal request again, along with what's probably my main feature request:

A Vertical Reference Guideline, so you can see exactly where your clip will land and line it up with other events/clips! This was discussed at length a while ago, and lots of folks agreed it would be very helpful, but it didn't make it into 7.x.

I'm going to make another formal request for this one, and I hope others will join me. It's a PITN to just eyeball a drop, when all the information is there, just not represented well visually.

-Susan

EDIT: BTW, since we're on P.6 already, here's the official FR request page again (you can put it in SONAR 7, since there's no listing for S8 last I checked):
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/featurerequest.asp
post edited by Susan G - 2008/03/17 00:11:16

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/17 01:31:57 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Susan G

I'm with you there, Vladimir, and I'll post a formal request again, along with what's probably my main feature request:

A Vertical Reference Guideline, so you can see exactly where your clip will land and line it up with other events/clips! This was discussed at length a while ago, and lots of folks agreed it would be very helpful, but it didn't make it into 7.x.

I'm going to make another formal request for this one, and I hope others will join me. It's a PITN to just eyeball a drop, when all the information is there, just not represented well visually.

-Susan

EDIT: BTW, since we're on P.6 already, here's the official FR request page again (you can put it in SONAR 7, since there's no listing for S8 last I checked):
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/featurerequest.asp


Aye, aye, this is ridiculous.
Moreover, it should be possible to show markers as vertical lines, optionally... and this option should be independent of showing a grid of vertical rules.
It should also be possible to snap to markers (&/or clip boundaries, etc), independently of snapping to regular time intervals. Finally, for what it's worth, I find the highest 'strength' of snapping still too subtle.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/17 01:37:37 (permalink)
well, i was gonna say sometnig but someone already said it...
but i'll say it anyway...
in case u wanna automate a cntroller and u don't have aknob to assign it to,
how about:
All Controller data are recorded as envelopes not events even if they are recorded with playing MIDI notes at the same time.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/17 01:48:04 (permalink)
Finally, for what it's worth, I find the highest 'strength' of snapping still too subtle.

How so?

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/17 15:54:07 (permalink)
Greater 'magnetic' strength would be appreciated (and familiar), is all. I'm used to Wavelab, an excellent audio editor from which the Sonar designers/developers could learn a lot.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 01:19:32 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Twangist

Greater 'magnetic' strength would be appreciated

agreed. i have note value for inline PRV set to 16ths and mag strength at max. often i'll stretch or move notes and even tho i move it as close to a 16th as i can, sonar places it at some wacky value.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 01:33:06 (permalink)
often i'll stretch or move notes and even tho i move it as close to a 16th as i can, sonar places it at some wacky value.


If you turn OFF magnetic strength altogether, a note can only move to snap grid locations. As you drag it from one gridline to the next, it won't move at all until your mouse is halfway to the next gridline, and then it will snap all the way over. This is pretty much what you would get with a "super" magnetic strength setting.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 01:36:47 (permalink)
I wonder if this is a function of your Zoom setting. From the "Snap to Grid dialog" Help Topic:

Magnetic Strength
Use these buttons to choose the strength of Magnetic snap. Magnetic snap means that when you're dragging the boundary of an object, you can move the boundary freely until the boundary gets within a certain number of ticks from the snap target. The closer the object gets to the snap target, the more strongly the object is pulled to the target. Note that if you are zoomed out a certain amount, the time boundary around the snap target will appear to be quite small, and you might think that the Snap Grid is not functioning. If this is the case, zoom in closer to enhance your editing experience. If you're dragging a whole clip, magnetic snap is not in effect.


If I set mine to "High", it's definitely very snappy!

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 07:21:05 (permalink)
What I would like is simply a gapless engine, e.g. o more stutters when setting loop points, switching looping on-off, adding-removing plugins and thelike. Then I would be a happy camper.

Oh yeah, and a resource browser would be nifty too, that that you can view all the clips that you use in your project and drop them where you like them. I like to assemble my tracks that way and miss such a feature dearly.
post edited by MotorMind - 2008/03/21 07:40:32
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 08:51:27 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Twangist


ORIGINAL: Susan G

I'm with you there, Vladimir, and I'll post a formal request again, along with what's probably my main feature request:

A Vertical Reference Guideline, so you can see exactly where your clip will land and line it up with other events/clips! This was discussed at length a while ago, and lots of folks agreed it would be very helpful, but it didn't make it into 7.x.

I'm going to make another formal request for this one, and I hope others will join me. It's a PITN to just eyeball a drop, when all the information is there, just not represented well visually.

-Susan

EDIT: BTW, since we're on P.6 already, here's the official FR request page again (you can put it in SONAR 7, since there's no listing for S8 last I checked):
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/featurerequest.asp


Aye, aye, this is ridiculous.
Moreover, it should be possible to show markers as vertical lines, optionally... and this option should be independent of showing a grid of vertical rules.
It should also be possible to snap to markers (&/or clip boundaries, etc), independently of snapping to regular time intervals. Finally, for what it's worth, I find the highest 'strength' of snapping still too subtle.



YES!!! more/easier references with regards to clips and edits...

and an AUDIO POOL PLEASE!!!!!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 09:04:31 (permalink)
AANNNNDDDDD!!!!!!

Stereo Rewire ability please! Even if it's stupid simple (ie: odd ch:L, even ch:R) I don't care...just DON'T make us add 64 rewire channels...Tracktion does this perfectly already....

PPPLLLEEEEAAAASSSSSEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

When's the next major upgrade coming out?
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 12:13:46 (permalink)
I don't know if it has been requested, but could you please add OSC support in Sonar8.
It would also be nice to be able to have an OSC track that I could sequence messages on.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 13:20:20 (permalink)
Great thread- there is nothing more I want than workflow enhancements! If not already suggested:

1. organize sections of measures by group (like Acid does)

2. display # of measures highlighted (when pvr is set for measures)

3. in transpose box- why do I have to scroll from 0 to get to 12 or -12? Have a button for those.

4. Piano Roll view- have option to light the midi notes that are playing back, as notes do in staff view
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 13:24:27 (permalink)
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 17:44:13 (permalink)


If you turn OFF magnetic strength altogether, a note can only move to snap grid locations. As you drag it from one gridline to the next, it won't move at all until your mouse is halfway to the next gridline, and then it will snap all the way over. This is pretty much what you would get with a "super" magnetic strength setting.

ah, thank you for the tip!!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 17:48:51 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: mikeinFL
3. in transpose box- why do I have to scroll from 0 to get to 12 or -12? Have a button for those.


Right click on + or - .

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 18:09:19 (permalink)
Or type it in.

What is really needed is a solid macro language for stuff like that. A quick macro recorder would go a long way in stopping some of the little things that are good ideas but to small to be worth a program rewrite.
post edited by John - 2008/03/21 18:34:09

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 20:07:42 (permalink)
"[" and "]" increment/decrement value by 10s (or 12s with transposition).

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/21 23:22:44 (permalink)
Pen for fixing/modifying a waveform.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/22 02:05:08 (permalink)
+10 to that my friend.......It's a pain bouncing 10 tracks seperatly using the first two stereo outs.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/23 10:27:48 (permalink)
I’d like to see a function that would allow the ability to switch plug-in presets at a specific point on the time line. This would allow changing EQ's at a specific time, changing a reverb characteristic at a specific time, changing an amp setting at a specific time, etc. Something like pushing a preset on a pedal board.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/25 16:58:36 (permalink)
Controller envelopes can do this already. Just choose the parameter you want to change and add an envelope to control that parameter. I use this often to change a reverb/echo on a track.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/26 08:19:32 (permalink)
What I would need is a better staff view. I don´t talk about notation features. I´m working with big orchestral templates and i can´t understand why the staff view is limited to 24 tracks I think. Also when the track names on the left border are not readable if they are longer and if you hit space to play the score the names and clefs of the tracks disappear until you scroll around again. This all is very annoying. PLEASE!!!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/26 09:35:23 (permalink)
Yes!!! some of my favs from this thread...

MACRO RECORDER
PENCIL TOOL TO DRAW WAVEFORMS/FIX CLICKS ETC
AUDIO POOL...


and......




There are only a few things holding me back from switching 100% to Sonar...(still using Cubase SX 3.1 most of the time )

1. No option to pick-up/chase held midi notes. This is mandatory. Don't know why it's not an option.

2. No time-slider in Import>Audio or Rip CD dialog?! What?!?! What if I want to hear the last 12 seconds of a 5 minute file?

3. Plugin delay compensation bypass. ie: I'm at 99% of my finished mixdown (with plugins and UAD plugs etc), but got inspired to add one more piano MIDI track. I will get 100ms of latency with all the plugins, so I have to bypass every single effect bin in every track and group...blah... One button would solve this.

4. OGG File compatibility. Please...can we have the ability to import OGG files without crashes? Thanks.

5. Record in Play..."capture up to 10 minutes of any incoming audio you play in Stop mode or during playback, “after the fact”. This is possible because C****e can capture audio input in buffer memory, even when not recording." Very life-saving if you've needed it!

6. Console/Track highlighting. Another feature I thought would be obvious. Select a track in the track view, the same channel highlights in the console. Simple. Smart.

7. Tape-Machine Style monitoring. (http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1215835&mpage=1&key=??) - Implemented in 7.0.2!!!

8. "Select All Following" - hit a key command, and all the clips FOLLOWING the NOW TIME get highlighted. SUPER important when editing for film, dialog etc.

9. "Move to Now" - select a clip, hit a key command and the clip snaps to the current NOW TIME position. VITAL when syncing effects etc for film etc...

10. Macro Recorder. For the ability to chain several Sonar commands in a row and trigger it by a single key command.

11. Much more flexible track/channel preset handling. (ie: Saving and loading track presets (with sends, FX bin setting etc) OVERTOP of a current track, without adding a new track and having to drag and drop audio clips from old track to new etc..

12. The ability to scrub clips WITHOUT having to turn off a mute button or putting the channel fader up. Handy if you are importing someone else's OMF and need to hear what a specific clip is without going through more steps/mouse clicks.

13. Perhaps simmer down on the vertical scroll? ie: I'm zoomed in to see two audio tracks at a time, and I want to ALT-SELECT a region across several tracks to remove silence..when I bring the mouse cursor down to the bottom of the track view...the page just TAKES OFF and I'm suddenly looking at my last track (and have WAY more tracks selected than I wanted). Can we SMOOTH the vertical scroll a little more (instead of JUMPING track by track?)

14. Fix the V-Station Powercore Bug

15. When adjusting the pan control in the console with a WHEEL-MOUSE wheel, at a certain point when moving the wheel, the whole console suddenly starts scrolling.

16. I have a 64 track song, and I'd like to organize the mixer so I can select which tracks to show at one time. IE: is there a way I can 'group' all my drum tracks and then assign that to a key command to show only those tracks? And also do this with all BG Vox, etc...? That way I can flip between the track views as I need... instead of scrolling for 64 channels in the console (since SONAR refused to do auto-scroll when selecting a track in the track view)...similar to the current "Track Manager" but able to save view presets etc...instead of simple check on/off.

17. Update the 'remove silence' function to 2007 (ie: a little graphics with the waveform might be nice).

18. Ability to automate mute & solo buttons on busses/groups!?!?!?! How can you miss this one?!?!

19. Make the KEY BINDINGS window searchable? Instead of forcing the user to spend two hours looking for one command.

20. Is there a way we can dbl-click the track/channel FX bin and get a BIG window that shows all the plugs at once? (instead of scrolling up and down each bin)?

21. Make a more obvious indicator in the FX bin when editing a plug. So I double-click a compressor plugin, perhaps highlight/circle the compressor name in the FX bin with a bright red or light blue color so I know which plug on which track I'm working with? especially helpful when having 4 plugins open at once.

22. Where the heck are the simple RW/FF controls? Yes, I know we can go measure-by-measure, or spend all day making markers. But what if I just want to RW back a few beats in front of the current bar?

23. How about the simple ability to ENABLE WRITE AUTOMATION while already in playback?!

24. Some kind of indicator on controls that already have automation? (check out REASON for this feature). Highlighting or circling the control with a green colour to show it already has automation? (of course, this will be user optional in the prefs.)

25. More automation modes please!! (ie: Touch, Latch, Overwrite, Jump, Skip and Hop).

26. The ability to move more than one track at a time with the mouse(in the track view window). (note: NOT audio clips, but actual tracks) without having to go through the whole long process of Select multiple tracks, Track->Sort, choose selected and ascending/descending etc...Just make it a simple mouse drag.

27. Simple Waveform drawing tool (to take out 1-sample ticks etc....). Very basic, Very obvious, Very useful...please?!?!

28. A MUCH more accurate (aka: LESS WILD) scrub. Something smooth with shuttle option on single tracks.

29. The ability to assign the track name to all clips on the same track. ie: I dbl-click the track name, rename it and hit SHIFT-ENTER, and that will also rename all clips to the same name.

30. Please tell me there's a way to GROUP CLIPS in the track window? PLease!?!?! please tell me. I can't find anything in the help file.

31. A useable AUDIO POOL (like Cubase SX)!!

32. Make the GRID LINES IN THE PIANO ROLL change to the same as grid value. ie: if I select 1/8 note for grid, put some darn 1/8 note grid lines! If I select 1/16 notes for grid value, then show some 1/16th note grid lines!

33. Give us at least a LITTLE flexibility with fades on audio clips!!! (ie: more than 3 basic fade curves, the ability to use points in a fade-curve option window etc)

34. Please make it possible to turn on/off the audio metronome during playback.

35. Make the MUTE and SOLO buttons on audio track layers a little bigger please?

36. Make the Maximum Zoom Out REALLY ZOOM OUT! I have 45 tracks, and I want to see ALL of them. Not just the top 16....zoom out should actually ZOOM OUT. Thanks.

37. When adjusting volume envelope points on automation, can you also display the DIFFERENCE in db? and not just the actual value (ie: I move a point from -8dB to -6dB, can you display a +2dB tooltip too?)

38. Make it possible to move crossfades between audio. ie: I x-fade two audio clips, and after listening I realize I need to move the x-fade a little farther. Let me just grab the x-fade and slide it anywhere I want.

39. Make the dB range in the Sonitus EQ selectable? I don't think many people here ever use 15dB of cut/boost when eq-ing, so perhaps having the default at 6dB range makes more sense? BUT, also add a drop down to the EQ to select 12, and 15dB range too? Will make it easier when changing EQs with the graphic points. Just an idear!

40. Treat the bus channels more like regular mixer channels! ie: we should be able to Actively SELECT bus channels (the same way as tracks), and ALSO MAKE THE SELECTED BUS CHANNEL SHOW UP ON MY MCU'S SELECT LIGHT TOO PLEASE!!!

41. another 'inspector' type of window for showing audio clip information (ie: total clip length, start time, end time etc..) in user selectable time bases, ie: ms, samples, beats, smpte time etc... IN REAL TIME. Not some kind of right-click>show info window...

42. The abilty to 'split' control surfaces (ie: Mackie Control + XT) into two devices. So we can have audio tracks show on the Mackie XT, while showing Bus channels on the Main MCU!

43. Make the 'un-solo ALL' button work for busses too please! Please do not treat the busses so differently from the regular audio channels (ie: allow selectable busses, allow mute/solo automation etc).

44. When dragging/dropping midi or audio clips from explorer to the track view, please make it a more obvious display of where we're dropping them? (ie: make a long vertical bar pointer at the beginning of the clip along with a tooltip stating current bar position?!)

45. Allow us to select multiple tracks/channels in the console view (for easier output routing when changing several channels at once. IE: I want to see all the current tracks that route to FF800 Analog 1 ONLY and re-route them to FF800 Analog 3 etc).

46. Capture last take as recording ( if you just play around with your song on a miditrack whithout being in record mode, you can press a key and Voilá what you just played is now recorded, like magic. Logic and Cubase have the feature since years ago)

47. Legato "quantize" Your midi notes will be shortened or lengthend( is that a word?) to just reach the next midinote and not overlapping

48. Don't let Roland take your programmers away from working on this list.

49. The ability to change project sample rates WITHOUT having to start a new project and re-import the tracks and re-create the busses and the mix levels etc.

50. Have an 'auto mute' option for track layers. When I record onto a single track with track layers enabled, please mute the previous layer when recording a new take. Instead of having the user try to click that dang super-duper-small mute button on the layer. This should be an option in the prefs.

51. introduce a track delay positive or negative, I've found only Time+ for midi, But Audio?

post edited by rdolmat - 2008/03/26 09:53:19
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/26 10:20:37 (permalink)
===47. Legato "quantize" Your midi notes will be shortened or lengthend( is that a word?) to just reach the next midinote and not overlapping===

Legato.cal

I argee with the rest of the list and have some more...
post edited by Vovchik - 2008/03/26 10:39:18

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/31 19:08:59 (permalink)
another big vote here for 21st century workflow. we need more than just the standard multitrack tape paradigm. the P5 groove matrix might be what we are looking for, or at least a starting point.

i want to be able to audition audio and midi from my hard drive in context w/ the project - tempo sync'd of course. a related idea would be if you could browse sonar tracks from other projects in the context of your running song -- tempo sync'd of course.

the overall paradigm is building songs from saved bits and ideas.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/31 20:22:37 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: rdolmat

39. Make the dB range in the Sonitus EQ selectable? I don't think many people here ever use 15dB of cut/boost when eq-ing, so perhaps having the default at 6dB range makes more sense? BUT, also add a drop down to the EQ to select 12, and 15dB range too? Will make it easier when changing EQs with the graphic points. Just an idear!



right click on the graph and you can select the +/- frequency range



ORIGINAL: rdolmat

22. Where the heck are the simple RW/FF controls? Yes, I know we can go measure-by-measure, or spend all day making markers. But what if I just want to RW back a few beats in front of the current bar?



i never saw the point in FF/RW controls in computer software - i find clicking on the timeline much more convenient. I agree changing the resolution of the slider could be useful.

Rob


post edited by robert.t - 2008/03/31 20:53:40
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/31 20:35:17 (permalink)

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39. Make the dB range in the Sonitus EQ selectable? I don't think many people here ever use 15dB of cut/boost when eq-ing, so perhaps having the default at 6dB range makes more sense? BUT, also add a drop down to the EQ to select 12, and 15dB range too? Will make it easier when changing EQs with the graphic points. Just an idear!



right click on the graph and you can select the +/- frequency range



ORIGINAL: rdolmat

22. Where the heck are the simple RW/FF controls? Yes, I know we can go measure-by-measure, or spend all day making markers. But what if I just want to RW back a few beats in front of the current bar?



i never saw the point in FF/RW controls in computer software - i find clicking on the timeline much more convenient. There is always the sliding bar that you can drag.

Rob





Thanks for the first point!

But I have to disagree with you on the second. It's MUCH faster to simply keep your left hand on a FF/RW key command and hit it when necessary, as opposed to moving the mouse each and everytime to either a slider somewhere else on screen, or the time line...especially when you're zoomed OUT full, and you need to only rewind a few seconds.

FF/RW would be a HUGE help for people who do tons of editing (ie: me ;) and honestly, how much coding will that take?

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/03/31 20:36:12 (permalink)
Mine is "gapless audio" and being able to arm and unarm tracks while sequence is playing.

Sonar is pretty behind on that one. I don't know of another daw that has this restriction.



Other than that though I can't think of too much to add to the list.
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