Yes, I want that as well: PRV and integrated staff view that is designed to be highly effectively used.

What would be nice too is if -- I must say it again -- Finale-like notation capability is added and the musical signs you write are automatically taken care of in the MIDI part of the DAW and vice versa.
DAWs these days all look alike and I truly think the next step is to FINALLY include proper notation tools. I grow very tired. Even if most people don't need it, there are people who actually need it and it would most likely bring more people to SONAR as it would be a more complete versatile product. Proper notation capacities and such would eliminate the need for another dedicated notation application. It would make SONAR more of an ultimate DAW.

There are many composers, musicians, and such, in the world who use the big programs such as Finale or Sibelius. Many of them know their way around DAWs too. Well, these notation apps lack the sophistication of a DAW and DAWs lack the sophistication of notation. The logical answer is to put it all in one.

Difficult? Probably. I remember it was probably also difficult to come up to invent the wheel. Or what about engineering of buildings? Or what about cars and their improvements? Hell, it even took a while before the creation and use of fire were optimized. Technology moves on, and if I don't see any proper superior notation tools in DAWs, I see that the technology of DAWs doesn't have much to offer anymore.

Why not team up with the makers of Finale or Sibelius, or whoever necessary, and get it done? Adding all these little things don't mean much, but adding such a major thing like serious notation perfectly streamlined in a DAW would OWN. Let me say again: IT WOULD OWN.

Here are a few things I would like to see:
Make your app Microsoft .Net Developer Friendly
Hosting the Microsoft CLR like SQL Server 2005 does would allow everyday developers to create robust functionality like importing tracks from your favorite Online Collaboration website (such as MyOnlineBand.com).

Like SQL Server you can enable or disable certian CRL features and allow users to disable this all together if they are experiencing performance related issues. Check out Steven Pratschner's book "Customizing the .Net Framework Common Language Runtime". This is the only book I know of on the subject and it is pretty good.

Export Score as a PDF
I have been working with allot of drummers lately and one of the things I often do is create a Midi drum track t give them an idea of what I am looking for. The Score view in Sonar does create a drum score based on the Midi track but it does not give you a legible way to export it. I would like to have the ability to export either to PDF, PNG (or other image format), or to Microsoft word. The PNG image would be somewaht easy to do if you had the .Net API and used the GDI stuff.

Vista warnings
When running SOnar in Vista, I find that the base product works well in normal user mode but certian plug-ins who do not behave as well will crash Sonar in a brutal fashion if you do not run as an Administrator. You should have a warning that detects that fact that the plug-in requires "Run as admin" o not allow the plug-in to load.

Auto-Save
I think I posted this before but it's worth repeating. Seems like low hanging friut to me.

Good points!
I like the idea of markers and loop regions being integrated. I use both extensively and often find myself looping to what I already marked by region.
Could you elaborate on what a modal dialogue is? Sounds like developer-ese. If you mean dailogues that spawn further dialogues than yes, kill them all. And please make the default button for every dialogue (the focus as they say in website-ese) whichever one gets you out of that damn dialogue and agrees to it. I know Sonar well enough by key commands that the darn dialogue boxes are really slowing me down. f'rinstance the track properties could be split into stuff like changing the color(should be an optional menu item), stretching/looping could be its own right click item, and track properties could just be waveform redraw/where is the data at.
double plus one on key bindings. I still cant get Sonar to behave with my CS the way I like. Why not sh*tcan the old procedures for CS and bindings and have just one place for both. Its the same thing really.
In general I think there is a lot of vestigal stuff in Sonar that could be cleaned out.

ORIGINAL: dewdman42

Yes, keep them both at the same zoom, and when you select a note in one, it is highlighted in the other. if you select a note in one and move it around, it moves around in the other, even before releasing the mouse button, etc.. Samplitude has this feature nailed.

+1!!

That would be terrific. And, as a bonus, we would have no more "notation wars" on this forum, as anyone could choose in which graphic environment to edit the midi data.



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ORIGINAL: DH123

I'm more of an audio guy and use very little MIDI. Since v7 was a MIDI upgrade, they should go ape**** on the Audio for v8.

I think this is incorrect!! S7 was pretty even in the Audio vs. MIDI upgrades.

Sidechain was a massive audio feature. So were the two LP plugs. And many of the featurettes were audio related, i.e. dim solo. Not to mention external inserts.

The bakers seems to have find a nice balance between audio and midi in each release. Sometimes we don't need the feature on one side but they are always there.

Though i do agree with you S8 needs a whole new compliment of audio effects. Colored EQs, compressors, envelope followers, transient modifiers, spatial modifiers, panners, modulators, stereo width plugs. Everything needs to be revisited. The currently included ones are all starting to show their age!

Someone mentioned freq analyzer in EQ. Thats huge!
Something like a N-tap delay (N unlimited) would be killer.

And again on the MIDI side:
INSTRUMENT TRACKS :-) *My all MIDI projects would be half sized with these!!
P5 style arp
VST midi FX
MIDI send

ORIGINAL: SongCraft

ORIGINAL: calaverasgrandes

Yeah, this is why I dont really hang out here anymore.

Don't give up,,, Sonar isn't really that frustrating and difficult to use,,, just keep at it and you'll eventually get somewhere.

ORIGINAL: calaverasgrandes

Thanks for your Stars of Wisdom

It's my pleasure


- Calaverasgrandes - You are now Blocked -

oh gosh what will I do, an Aussie blocked me?!
Well as long as he doesnt put me on his "talent" website I am fine.
Grow up dude, er uh, I mean "mate". just because you are on the other side of the planet and its the internet doesnt give license to be rude. If you met me in a bar I doubt you'd take the same tone.

On to more grown up stuff;
About the loop thing. I was talking about loop recording. Like selecting a region, click "loop and autoshuttle" hit record, burn 3 takes of guitar, keep the good one.
But the other looping feature needs work. I hate how it will try and "round up" whatever clip you select for looping. You gotta keep an eye on the looping and autostretching dialogue. It will take a 5 beat clip and try and stretch it to 2 measures. Then it sounds all speak and spell-ized. Which is cool if you "belie-e-e-e-ve in lo-o-ove". Not so cool if its your guitar riff.
the idea of conform to playlist.

About all the ideas for plug ins. I got one a while back that negates this all! how about being able to define a 3rd party plugin as the default channel strip plugin. Then you could use UA neve eq on each channel, TC powercore 247c for every channels compressor and so on. I really only have issue with the Sonitus EQ. It sounds fine on one channel, but as it stacks up it sounds lame. I end up using TC Powercore EQsat more often.

P5 is great! Love it and PE is perfect for audio, love the mixer, subs, bus and plugins are awesome. Although I mostly do audio (98% of) it would be great to have a bit of P5 thrown in. I'm feeling in an experimental mood and I need to shake off my old school dinosaur techniques and let loose, have fun.

+1 for the previous suggestions about adding some of that P5 brilliance

+1 mixer default LP and VC as standard on master.

+1 for Red Book

Well, maybe I missed some responses, but I think I'm the only one here who is OK with the Sonar GUI just the way it is. Besides, this is a no-win, can't-please-em-all situation for CW anyway. That said, if they ever make Sonar look anything like that freakishly hideous monstrosity called Ableton Live, I'm outta here.

I renew my request for the ability to access the Insert > Soft Synth menu by right-clicking in the track inspector (yes, I've made this an official FR several times).

ORIGINAL: harmony gardens

Nested folders would be nice

Definitely. Even one level of nesting for grouping drums, synths, guitars, vocals, etc. would be very nice.

ORIGINAL: gsoler

Delete multiple track warning: When I'm deleting a track, sometimes other tracks are selected without me knowing it -and they get deleted without a warning. A little dangerous I think.

I like this idea - would've saved me countless Undo's over the past few years.

ORIGINAL: kwgm

Please revise asset management.

Yes, oh God, yes. Please.

ORIGINAL: Cary

Instrument tracks. The current system is rather clumsy.

I disagree. I like the flexibility of having MIDI and audio on separate tracks, especially when I'm using lots of automation on both types of tracks/clips - makes things much easier to on my eyes.

It was mentioned above to change the per channel eq's and comps...to better ones. How about allowing the user to change the default Sonitus eqs etc to whatever they choose! UAD, etc, etc. Thanks!

Working with tempo.

1) Tempo track visible in Track View and PRV.

2) Ability to draw non-linear tempo changes.

3) Scale Tempo; ability to select time region and adjust tempo for this regoin only from current BPM to new BPM.

Speaking of tempomaps, I would love it if Sonar would make some features like what Digital Performer has for calculating tempos over a region of time that will hit or come close to hitting as many markers as possible as hit points, etc.. DP actually has a lot of cool film scoring features...Sonar should pay attention to.

stmain, check this out: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.asp?m=1267781

would love a low cpu envelope shaper plug like the one in cubase. that would get a LOT of use here.

ORIGINAL: calaverasgrandes
oh gosh what will I do, an Aussie blocked me?

I don't think he's an Aussie, he's quite likely from the USA. Just below SongCraft's avatar his location is given as From: US.

I would love some more gridlines (subdivisions) vertical viewing option for arrange page.

Is it me or does Sonar STILL not create new clips, muting the previous ones, when recording MIDI in Loop mode? I am still on S6. If this is the case then this should be fixed in S8.