The person that started a thread called ***SONAR 8 IS A SHAMBLES -SHOULD WE ASK FOR A REFUND?*** I thought was looking for some other opinions. I offered my opinion and was immediately attacked for it. I reacted poorly.... spelled poorly haha!... just made a made a mess of it. This is my final post. I thank you all for your widom and advice. DW

Hi Susan! No relation to John Holmquist although I'm sure he must be a brilliant Swede! You're right about having fun... I really belived someone would have caught on much quicker but you and John could see right through it all!!

So far OT, so, so fast...teehee and such...

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Troll here.

Yes I have rarely posted here before. Reason. Nothing to say really. I know what I am doing and don't usually have problems . What problems I do have, I sort by searching through the posts already present here on the forums. This time I had something that I wanted others to contribute too. I thank you for your contribution.
For the record I don't think Sonar 8 is useless. I think it is, so far, a disappointment. Not an irredeemable position in my experience.

Hehe....you're cool. But you come on Way strong...guess its an acquired taste thing...

How do you keep all those church bells out of your recordings?

I simply don't record between Sunday at 10:45 and 11:15...every week...whether I want to sleep in or not....Sunday...10:45am...grrr....I will record them one day and post it on the songs forum...at 10:45 one Sunday...

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I only hear the bells form the left side of my monitors. how could that be. sonar must be broke. It must be!!!!![sm=rolleyes.gif]
Cj

creynolds

ASUS P5K WS

Middleman

Make sure you have the bios memory settings at the 1066 speed or you may have problems when pushing the system under Sonar. Just a suggestion.

I've got a Q6600 and a P5K SE mobo and I've had problems with just playing a 4 bar loop with session drummer with both both 7.02 and 8.01. (8.00 seemed to dropout more) Often I get a dropout after a minute or so but not all the time. It tends to happen each time after I change the tempo however. I'm not doing any other edits - just using it as a metronome for my horn practice. I'm wondering if I have BIOS problems. I've got the latest version but the configuration options are way over my head so I've left things at the default settings. Any Asus mobo experts advice welcome. The other hardware I wonder about is my ATI Radeon HD 2400 and its Catalyst Control software. again any advice welcome.
I've run memtest and stabilitity test for over 7 hours each with no problems.

Having said all of that. Sonar S8.00 was crashing out all over the place and just looking at the fixed list for 8.01 Cake were not doing their customers any favours by releasing the original version. I haven't had a chance to do any editing to test stability with 8.01 yet.

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Ohhh I was about to say you have to some times have a thick hide to venture in here .. but then I remember GearSLutz......
Motifator and RolandClan are nice peaceful forums though.....

ORIGINAL: bermuda

ORIGINAL: Jonbouy

I can hardly believe how just amature so many posters are around here.

Amateur posters that spell like pro's...

What gets me is the amount of so called pro's in this industry that are reliant on a mission critical app. go out and get stung on the early adoption trip. Blimey even folk in a humble office look into the viability of upgrading even a word-processing package and evaluate in real terms any benefits of upgrading. They look into any likely costs of perhaps having to upgrade hardware in order to accommodate any new application as well as additional training costs and changes in workflow that are likely to occur.

But here we have so called pro's that state they need a working system (which involves far more than just the chosen software package) gaily abandon themselves to a 64 bit OS without even checking that what they currently use will still run on it, and expect a new to market package to deliver out of the box and immediately replace a workflow that may have been successfully employed over a number of years.

If your livelihood really depended on it wouldn't you go through a period of appraisal before burning your bridges?

While there may be issues with the new release I'm certainly looking with more alarm at some of the folk here that claim to be professionals that don't seem to have any fundamental practices in place themselves. Now that's what I'd call a shambles, and if you worked for any company that I run you'd be shown the door by the end of the week.

I agree that if it is your life blood, you use the established working product. the new version can be used for research, practice, to get up to speed with tools, but as for it replacing the money generator software out of the box, it is suicide. in theory...things should be 100% off the shelf, but sadly the Software industry fails on a constant basis across all apps. even the mightily Stable Reason has patches/bug fixes issued.

Personally I wish cakewalk would acknowledge issues more on the board and have a sticky list of issues cakewalk are working on resolving, plus requests for input on issues where they need more information. Also a sticky list of user errors... i.e. things people thought were bugs, but turned out to be user error, or system configuration issues.

Totally agree with the software 'theory' thing that an application should be of merchantable quality on release, I'm still using 7.02 and it looks likely I will be doing that for some time to come when I chose Sonar in the first place I did appraise it against my needs and it came out winner by a long way stacked against the competition.

I'm not loyal to Cakewalk at all I'm loyal to my own quality perception and value maxims and I'm currently a happy 7 customer as the software is doing exactly as claimed for me my upgrade schedule in this area isn't due to be looked at for another 18 months and doubtlessly I shan't be looking for a refund or soliciting others advice as to whether I should get my money back as hopefully then I will have done my homework right and be happy once again with MY purchasing decision.

Whilst I agree that Software often has more issues than any other consumer products and if I purchased a washing machine that leaked I'd be unhappy to the point of returning the item, software often offers some fairly abstract capabilities that, in what I would consider good software, are not obtainable by any other means, whereas a washer has but one task, to clean yer smalls properly.

I haven't looked at S8 seriously enough to know whether it offers value or it is a rogue as my chosen app which happens to be S7PE, is functioning satisfactorily within my current requirements but to dismiss a professional company's release as being a 'Shambles' IMO is quite wrong when clearly the OP has not got the conviction of his own purchasing decision borne out by asking others to make up his mind whether or not he should be asking for a refund, unless of course the incorporated title question is a rhetorical one.

As I've already alluded too the only 'shambles' I can see here is somebody that replaces a mission critical app. without reference to even that most basic of purchasing requirements, the time honoured statement of CAVEAT EMPTOR or buyer beware.

Nobody is mugging anyone else here although it seems plain that a few like to mug themselves.

Hey, Cakewalk does have a position open for anyone that want's to put their professional advice and criticism to work. (insert sound of crickets chirping)

Then you can fix your own problems. (insert sound of crickets chirping again!)

I think Cakewalk needs to open up a special forum for complainers and venters that they don't pay any attention to.

I wonder if Cakewalk is performing at the level of some peoples music. (insert sound of crickets chirping)
At WORST Sonar works 90% of the time while some people are producing music that is crap 100% of the time. If you are one of these people....then yeah you need your money back.


Everyone....I'm joking.....I thought it would be funny to post this.

Let me end my post by saying EXCELLENT JOB Cakewalk!!!!!! EXCELLENT JOB on Sonar 8.

ORIGINAL: bermuda

Personally I wish cakewalk would acknowledge issues more on the board and have a sticky list of issues cakewalk are working on resolving, plus requests for input on issues where they need more information. Also a sticky list of user errors... i.e. things people thought were bugs, but turned out to be user error, or system configuration issues.

Now there's a voice of sanity....some developers already do this, I wonder how it impacts on marketing though?

For example.....

http://www.runrev.com/support/quality-control-center/

ORIGINAL: gtgarner

ORIGINAL: creynolds

Sonar 7.02 has not and will not be replaced on my system until 8 works as well as 7 or better.

Hey!!! There is the answer. It's been here all the time. No refund necessary. Time to close this topic.

So the answer is "don't use the software you just paid for". <Mr.Burns> Excellent </Mr.Burns>