Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems?

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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/21 21:52:18 (permalink)
Hey Trower, or anybody else looking for an FW-1884, I got mine on ebay and can highly recommend the seller (the only guy selling them there at the moment). There a music store in Arizona selling them for a pretty darn cheap Buy It Now price, with free shipping via UPS. I got mine in 4 days, and feel good about the price and service.

I'm not connected with the seller in any way. Just a friendly referral for those who can't find one locally.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/21 22:16:37 (permalink)
How much did you get it for?
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/21 22:17:31 (permalink)
I am wondering if it has to do with the pci card? I have a tascam tdm1000 mixer going to my pc with that same pci card. they are connected using a tdif cable and i am having the same sync problems.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/21 22:34:43 (permalink)
How much did you get it for?


Are we supposed to talk about those sort of things on this forum? Well, look on ebay now. He's got 2 available at $1215 including 2-day FedEx shipping.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/21 23:21:00 (permalink)
Thanks didger, I'll go check it out
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/22 02:18:45 (permalink)
I got mine online at Sweetwater for about the same price as the Ebay ones.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/22 14:51:01 (permalink)
FullCompass.com has them for under $1,200. I won't say exactly because they DON'T publish their prices even in their catalogues. I will say that EVERYTHING I've bought from them (about $6,000) is the lowest I've found anywhere. The only frustrating thing about them is you HAVE to talk to your designated sales rep. whenever you call in.

Later,
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/22 15:55:31 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: King Conga

FullCompass.com has them for under $1,200.



Never heard of 'em. So you've used them alot?
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/22 17:03:22 (permalink)
digipenguin, How did the session go with the band?
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/22 21:19:35 (permalink)
Picked up my 1884 from Guitar Center. Gotta wait till Christmas to play with it. Now to make room for it.
Thanks for the info digi
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/22 22:42:30 (permalink)
Hey guys.

I was having that same issue with the audio being slightly offset, and I was able to resolve that by using the "timing offset" option under the "advanced" tab in the audio options dialog. (Sonar 3) I started by simply matching that offset to my latency reading, and it lined up perfect.

I used the ping DXi to record to, and then just adjusted the offset to line up. took a few tries but it worked great.

I also have that Sontius EQ prob........I just chalked that one up to "need a new driver".

regards,
Chad
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/23 07:16:21 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: marcoR

digipenguin, How did the session go with the band?


They cancelled on me but it turned out to be a good thing. We set up a recurring session so there is going to be a steady income monthly from them. They are looking at the sessions as a long term project with the intent of releasing a CD from the sessions.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/23 18:47:23 (permalink)
Like I said, I've bought 90% of my musical hdware from them amounting to around $6000. All of those pieces were priced lower than zzounds, musiciansfriend, sweetwater, etc.... The only problem, as I say, is you HAVE to talk to your assigned sales rep; even if they don't know jack. The other frustrating thing about that is alot of times their on the ph. just when you're ready to blow some big cash. On the other hand, you can e-mail them for a quote and their pretty prompt about those. They have a very extensive catalogue you can order that comes 1/4ly. That's what I read instead of Playboy! They also almost always have a pretty big "Clearance" section where you can get REALLY good deals. Check 'em out...you won't regret it.

Merry Christmas...I ACTUALLY believe in It and Him,
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/23 19:59:13 (permalink)
How does everyone have their latency set on both the FW1884 and Sonar?
What drivers are you using? MME work better than WDM, which I think is strange
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/23 23:24:45 (permalink)
I'm using WDM. my latency slider is set at( hold on) 5.8 which is 17.4 after the 4 buffers in the playback qeue. That's on a project with 16 tracks and recorded at 24/96. I don't know what these other guys are on about with the MME drivers. I haven't had a problem with thge WDM drivers.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/24 03:54:24 (permalink)
I'm in Hong Kong and I just got mine from Sweetwater. I plugged it in after the software install and everything seems to be going very well. I'm running a 2.8 gig p4 with 2 gigs ram. The firewire card is a TI-chipset version.

I do have another question though, while in Sonar, is it possible to have the mics et al plugged into the FW1884 with the trims set to where they were AND not have these signals go to the 1/2 LR monitor outputs? I have 1/2 plugged into my monitors and I usually record vocals or whatever and then process in sonar. Can I route the zero-latency signals somewhere else or turn them off while in computer mode? Thanks in advance!
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/24 08:48:58 (permalink)
You could just mute the inputs in monitor mode that you don't want to hear in computer mode. If you are doing this to use "Input Monitoring" from Sonar to process your signal, it does not matter what your faders, pans, mutes, solos are set to in "Mon Mix" mode on the FW-1884. The input gain is the only thing that will affect your signal to Sonar. This is one of my fav features of this unit, the flexibility between "Computer" mode and "Mon Mix".

However that is not my preferred method. My latency is 11.6 and to use effects on input I have adopted this technique. I setup my gain, listening volume, pan, etc in “Mon Mix” mode on FW-1884. Then enable input monitoring on the track in Sonar, of course this introduces a doubling effect due to the latency. So I set the output for that track to none. Then I use an Aux Send for effects. The aux send is routed to the mains. So in turn I get a mix of latency free monitoring from the FW-1884 and the effects from the aux send.
This is great for a snare that you want to hear some reverb on input or vocals, really anything.
When you’re done recording the track, just remember to select an output for the track because we set it to none for recording.

Marco-
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/24 09:07:06 (permalink)
The MME drivers didn't do **** for me. I'm still using WDM. I talked to a tech at Tascam and they said by next week the new drivers should be posted (They have not been tested yet and were sitting in a pile of mail on his desk).
I tried a spare firewire card that uses a TI chipset and it was the same as the Orange Link card, I haven't found a Via card to try yet. But based on the inconstant results from everyone I don't really think it’s the card.
At least you got yours going...For everyone else again the issue has nothing to do with latency, tracks do not record in sync period. Every thing else is just dandy…
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/24 11:43:37 (permalink)
Shortgamma, if I understand you correctly, you don't want to hear the vocals over the monitor while you are recording, right? If this is the case then the fix is actually done in the FW. On the FW-1884, 1. select 'MON MIX' mode. Then below that you'll see a section labeled, 'MONITOR'. It's in blue letters on a silver background strip. 2. Select 'COMPUTER' (F7,INT). This determines which inputs the FW-1884 sends to outputs 1 and 2. The FW-1884 will now replay tracks from Sonar(Computer) but will not monitor the inputs during recording.



Be sure to set the FW back to 'COMPUTER' mode. The changes you made in Mon Mix mode will remain unchanged.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/24 13:58:19 (permalink)
Whats the maximum length I can have a firewire cable? Has anyone used a firewire hub? Do they work well?
This is all FW-1884 related, that's why I posted here.
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/25 00:36:13 (permalink)
Merry Christmas and thanks for the help guys! It's exactly what I want it to do.

New question: I'm running 128 latency on the FW and 2 buffers in Sonar on WDM. I can't even get the audio engine to keep running unless i have latency in Sonar set to 11.6ms. Is there a way to get better latency so I can do input monitoring? With my old motu 828 (which is leagues behind) I could get consistent 1.9ms latency in Sonar and everything is fine.

Any suggestions for changing the settings? Also the khz should be set as the same rate on Sonar and FW right? What about the bit depth and etc in the audio config menu in Sonar?

Thanks again!
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/25 14:14:49 (permalink)
I think you'll see 'input monitoring' is disabled when you install the 'Sonar plugin' for the FW. The FW will automatically change to whatever sample rate you have the Sonar set to. Increase your buffers to 4 and try sliding the latency slider back a little. I think you're pretty much hosed until the new drivers come out though. 11.6ms is too much latency?
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/26 01:30:56 (permalink)
For me, 11.6 ms of latency is too much because i used to do all of my vocal recording with effects on the Motu 828. anything more than 2.9ms makes it sort of hard to accurately monitor. I guess 11.6ms is not too horrible when playing soft-synths. But everybody wants lower latency right?
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam &lt;span class="high"&gt;FW-1884&lt;/span&gt; sync problems? 2003/12/28 02:13:11 (permalink)
FYI...Has anyone visited this link before?

It has PDF files entitled
Sonar Surface Control Notes
HUI Emulation
Mackie emulation

http://www.tascam.com/downloads.php?pid=269


NO new drivers yet!!!
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam &lt;span class="high"&gt;FW-1884&lt;/span&gt; sync problems? 2003/12/28 14:35:16 (permalink)
Let keep this post going
WHere are the drivers
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/29 20:32:49 (permalink)
Need DRIVERS NOW
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/30 07:54:36 (permalink)
post the drivers.....post the drivers.....post the drivers
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/30 20:00:55 (permalink)
They have posted the drivers... I repeat They have posted the drivers
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/30 21:03:21 (permalink)
I think we are fixed
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RE: Sonar 2.2 & Tascam FW-1884 sync problems? 2003/12/30 21:18:37 (permalink)
I've still got some mucking around to do it seems.
2 problems:
1) The FW-1884 has lost contact with Sonar when I've changed any MIDI configuration stuff, so I have to close Sonar, turn off the 1884, and turn back on 1884, restart Sonar.
2) Now when I go back to the metronome recording test that started this thread, sure enough, the metronome lines up the same every time. No more drift! BUT... it's EARLY. So the first downbeat is sort of cutoff. I assume I can just set an offset or play with buffers for this though.

But so far, yes, a vast improvement. Just some quirks to work out, I think. I'll try it with my Behringer ADA8000 as the timing master and see if it makes a difference.
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