SteveStrummerUK
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Do Americans understand Irony?
SAN FRANCISCO MAN BECOMES FIRST AMERICAN TO GRASP SIGNIFICANCE OF IRONY Jay Fullmer, 38, yesterday became the first American to get to grips with the concept of irony. "It was weird," Fullmer said. "I was in London and, like, talking to this guy and it was raining and he pulled a face and said, "Great weather, eh?" and I thought "Wait a minute, no way is it great weather." Fullmer then realised that the other man's 'mistake' was in fact deliberate. Fullmer, who is 39 next month and married with two children, aged 8 and 3, plans to use irony himself in future. "I'm, like, using it all the time," he said. "Last weekend I was grilling steaks and I burned them to a crisp and I said "Hey, great weather!". PS - Reward points available by the bucketload in this thread
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 08:56:52
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 Apparently not?
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 09:09:52
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More sarchasm than Irony, no? Sort of like the Allanis Morrisette (sp?) song...Ironic, where many of the examples in the song are not actually irony, just bad luck.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 09:19:58
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Sort of like the Allanis Morrisette (sp?) song...Ironic, where many of the examples in the song are not actually irony, just bad luck.
And the only thing ironic it is her misuse of the meaning of irony.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 09:21:38
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Irony? I thought that was how people described over cooked meat. I LEARN SOMETHING EVERY DAY. Next time someone says "hey Bill, your ribs are like better than saltines on a Saturday night" I can take that as a compliment.  See we colonist are not as think as you dumb we are!
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 10:57:17
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Hi, You can see it in this forum! Why would you need another example? It's really easy to catch ... and I call it the laugh track syndromme ... or the tv mindless mentality! It's really difficult for Americans to figure out when something is funny, weird, or ironic, or someone is telling the truth. And a lot of it has to do with the things like laugh tracks in the daily television, which basically tells you WHEN to laugh, and it might not be funny, and this takes away your ability to figure out why something is funny ... and my joke is that you become silly enough to think that cheap theatrics and harry potters are serious enough to teach you anything! Including silly stupidity! Better yet ... the news media tells you that somethig is good so you spend money and they make the millions ... and you believe that it is good! And of course, we must not forget Robert Penn Warren's favorite ... everyone posts on the same thread to show that they are with it! That one, still is, the greatest irony of them all that goes right over people's heads! It's hard ... I try to help educate in the sense that there is antoher world out there, there are arts and literature, but when all you can do is chase a buck or two and have no interest in anything else but those things that chase money, I am not sure that you can gain the perspective necessary to understand art, literature, painting, or music ... and thus ... the only thing left is personal preference ... and on top of it, a personal preference that is jaded and not educated or capable of seeing outside itself. It's up to each person and what level of learning and development they want ... but not even considering what all that literature, all that art and all that music is all about ... is a sad state of affairs in my book. It's your choice in the end. Who's to say that Harry Potter is not going to help you believe in magic, or something more important than life itself? I'm not sure it is possible as the books are not that deep, but that's just my thinking.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 11:10:33
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I'm down with irony.
It should be simple to understand, but it's not.
Also, I wanted to post on this thread to show I'm with it.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 11:13:08
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Do Brits understand zincy?
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 11:37:46
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cryophonik
Do Brits understand zincy?
Speaking for all of the UK, touche!
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 11:45:19
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SteveStrummerUK
Fullmer said. "I was in London and, like, talking to this guy
"I'm, like, using it all the time," he said.
What I want to know is why Americans like insist on like adding needless words like like to every sentence.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 11:47:20
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What I want to know is why Americans like insist on like adding needless words like like to every sentence.
'cuz it's, like, totally fun, ya know? 
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 11:49:46
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SteveStrummerUK
Fullmer said. "I was in London and, like, talking to this guy
"I'm, like, using it all the time," he said.
What I want to know is why Americans like insist on like adding needless words like like to every sentence.
I don't get that either but it seems to have started about the same time that Mr. Bean cat showed up.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 12:09:42
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Speaking for all of the UK, touche!
That would be speaking for all of the French!
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 12:12:21
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Hi,
One of the reasons why I always loved Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, was because the irony and satire was so good ... I really want to take that old man in front of the devil and take him to congress and let him say that line in front of the devil ...
"... a peace so devastating that my company for one, will be wiped out! ... " and use it as the comment about health repair/reform ... those companies will never allow that to happen and their profits to dip! You gotta have viagra!
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 12:50:03
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I understand that irony helps the sound in my transformers.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 12:54:36
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Irony.
Is that when something has a specific metallic taste or quality?
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 12:56:37
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Do Brits understand zincy?
Apparently not? 
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 13:03:29
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Do Brits understand zincy?
Apparently not?
I do... It's in Ohio.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 14:05:05
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OK I thing I got it...irony is an ailment suffered by employees at a dry cleaners. ?
Never been to Ohio so no clue 'bout that.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 15:01:30
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It's really difficult for Americans to figure out when something is funny, weird, or ironic, or someone is telling the truth.
True, but maybe not for the reasons you give. Naming the real culprits would probably start a riot. BTW quoting a single line has improved a lot [not!] Argh.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 16:22:43
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Had Oscar Wilde only been born a Yank, this wouldn't have happened.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 16:24:40
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Moshkiae
It's really difficult for Americans to figure out when something is funny, weird, or ironic, or someone is telling the truth.
True, but maybe not for the reasons you give. Naming the real culprits would probably start a riot.
BTW quoting a single line has improved a lot [not!] Argh.
You guys sound serious! Some quick examples that you're not absolutely correct...everybody knew Richard Prior was funny. I'll get weird and ironic both...everybody knows musicians are weird and it's ironic that they deal with time and can never keep track of it! Ok the truth part is questionable but we all know that if a politicians lips are moving...he/she is not being truthful.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 16:26:27
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Had Oscar Wilde only been born a Yank, this wouldn't have happened.
The Cynics of ancient Rome predate the moden ironists. You could blame it on the Italians.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 16:31:48
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but we all know that if a politicians lips are moving...he/she is not being truthful. That is generally considered a "lie". Irony (from dictionary.com): the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 17:08:35
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Ironically enough, irony is a greek word..... from WIKIpedia Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning hypocrisy, deception, or feigned ignorance) is a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is an incongruity or discordance between what one says or does and what one means or what is generally understood. Irony is a mode of expression that calls attention to the character's knowledge and that of the audience. There is argument about what qualifies as ironic, but all senses of irony revolve around the perceived notion of an incongruity between what is expressed and what is intended, or between an understanding or expectation of a reality and what actually happens: the literal truth is in direct discordance to the perceived truth. I would say to help you guys get the meaning of it (those of you who havent anyways) that it is very close to sarcasm but not quite.When someone is being ironic,as you guys posted examples usually that means he tries to "mock" a situation by describing the situation clearly and obviously the oposite of what it is (raining: "Oh what a nice weather" , sunday at work: "oh howwww nicee!!!") Usually the purpose of the one being ironic is for those who listen to him to "get" that he is being ironic.Lastly apart persons ,situations can be ironic too...example: "oh sooo i ronic,i was drving around the block to find to park my car 40 minutes now,then I finally parked 4 blocks away!After walking the distance,I saw that the space right in front of my house was emptied" Ironic situation for someone is usually when he gets that strange feeling that the whole universe teamed up against him JUST the precise moment and place to break his nerves. Lastly sometimes we describe unpredictable twists of luck,events as "ironic",example: "he had posted 1000 posts at Cakewalk's forum about dumping Sonar in favor of Poobase.Ironically enough,he posted even more about dumping Poobase to go back to Sonar one month later"
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 17:25:34
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The intellectual content of this forum never ceases to amaze me. [EDIT: the previous statement should have been properly formatted thus: <irony>The intellectual content of this forum never ceases to amaze me.</irony>]
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/23 17:52:51
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origina: thegeek
sunday at work: "oh howwww nicee!!!" FWIW, my post above was the main definition (#1 which is considered as the most common or most widly used definition, IIRC) of irony lisfed directly from dictionary.com, not wikipedia (which is suspect at times, IMHO).
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 00:56:22
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No
We have "tv mindless mentality"
If you are gonna call me stupid, at least do it to my face.
How rude, a stereotypical, racist, elitist attitude. Not impressed.
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Re:Do Americans understand Irony?
2009/07/24 03:33:24
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You guys sound serious! [rstollen]
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Hey, (lack of) irony *is* a serious matter.
A lot harder to quantify than obesity, that's true.
[BTW - Richard Pryor was *American*? Gee.]
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