rick7653
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Dimension pro playing out of tune
My dim pro seems to play flat for some reason. Anybody else had this one happen to them? Also sometimes if I have more than 1 tts-1 open THEY play out of tune with each other. I tell ya it's just one thing after another with this program. Before you start NO IM NOT A NEWBIE and YES I USED A REAL TUNER TO CHECK.
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Susan G
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 06:41:25
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Hi Rick- I don't know about the TTS-1, since I've never had more than one instance open, but there definitely are tuning problems with Dim Pro. See this thread. Not sure if an FR has been submitted. -Susan
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rick7653
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 06:57:07
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Susan G
Hi Rick-
I don't know about the TTS-1, since I've never had more than one instance open, but there definitely are tuning problems with Dim Pro.
See this thread. Not sure if an FR has been submitted.
-Susan
From what I have read on the forums about this A: Cakewalk has known about this problem and refuses to reply or comment about it. B: TTS-1 and Dim Pro apparently don't play well together if they share the same midi channel. Just one more SONAR quirk to add to the ever growing list of crashes dropouts and general malaise I guess. Has happened on 2 different computers so far so it's not the machine. The funny thing is I can play the track once and it might sound ok. Then 10 minutes later the tuning is whacked and not only whacked but out of tune a different amount every time I play it but not always.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 06:59:00
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Dimension pro should have out of tune samples listed in the features description.
I stopped using TTS-1... I had tried to use it as a replacement for my Roland SC-880 sound module but because SONAR will not save your patch settings in TTS-1 the way it will save the patch settings in the Roland hardware it became too frustrating.
On the occasions that you notice TTS-1 wavering... does a stop and start bring it back to a sweet harmony or does the problem persist?
I find that sometimes when I start play the timing of my samplers is a bit off... a simple start stop will restore the sync.
Maybe that is similar to what you are dealing with?
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Susan G
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 07:31:21
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I first noticed it with the basses a long time ago. I can't think why they let it ship with so many patches with tuning issues, especially since they sell it as a separate product, too. You'd think they'd want non-SONAR Users to be wowed by it so they'd look at other CW stuff! I guess they decided somewhere along the way it wasn't worth the time/money to fix them.
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 07:48:49
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"I guess they decided somewhere along the way it wasn't worth the time/money to fix them."
The ultimate insult to the end user was when they started giving it away free instead of fixing it and making it valuable.
I bought NI Komplete a year ago... I'm done. ;-)
best,
mike
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 10:13:38
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The ultimate insult to the end user was when they started giving it away free instead of fixing it and making it valuable. Yeah, I'm one of those "loyal" customers (I can think of other adjectives!   ) who bought it when it was still a separate product. I made a similar, but more costly, mistake when P5 first came out. Oh well, live & learn. They're still selling Dim Pro separately on the web site for $249.00. I would've thought they'd have enough complaints about the tuning problems by now that they'd have issued an update. -Susan
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 11:00:51
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you just want me to be the bad guy. Huh Susan?
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 11:05:11
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Hi Tim-
"Bad guy"? -- no, of course not! -- what did I say to make you think that?
-Susan
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 12:07:48
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Just kidding Susan. You suggested on the other thread to look at this thread, and the only real 'use' of these 2 threads is to Bump them so maybe Cakewalk will see them and maybe Cakewalk will actually fix what is supposed to work in the first place (contrary to what Papa may think).
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 12:39:35
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I first noticed it with the basses a long time ago. I can't think why they let it ship with so many patches with tuning issues, This is just my opinion... But the reason why these issues slipped thru (and remain unresolved) is down to the lack of integrated sample editing features in DP. Assuming the original bass' intonation was off (likely the case), each recorded note (sample) will be a bit out of tune. If DP could open each sample in a dedicated editing screen, you could use something like StroboSoft to quickly tweak the samples into darn near perfect intonation. As it is now, you can do this using text files (slow/tedious)... or you can load each raw sample into an audio editing program (SoundForge or similar)... and destructively tune each file. I'd liken the current process to setting the intonation on a Rickenbacker 4003. If you've ever tried this, you'll know exactly what I mean...  DP has a great synth engine... loads of potential With full/integrated sample editing, you'd see many top-notch sample libraries adopting/supporting the format.
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rick7653
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Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 13:10:25
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Tells me what I need to know. Obviously I am not the only one with this problem. Makes my decision to move to pro tools easier. I have tried since version 5 to love this program but it is becoming a money pit. Thats what I get for buying on the cheap instead of paying the premium price for functional software. This stuff is absolutely WORTHLESS if it won't play in tune.
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 14:45:09
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rick7653
Tells me what I need to know. Obviously I am not the only one with this problem. Makes my decision to move to pro tools easier. I have tried since version 5 to love this program but it is becoming a money pit. Thats what I get for buying on the cheap instead of paying the premium price for functional software. This stuff is absolutely WORTHLESS if it won't play in tune.
This may seem odd coming from me if you've ever seen my other posts ranting and complaining :) ... but ... I have never had a single issue with Dimension Pro being out of tune. I have inadvertantly changed the key of my midi tracks and added Dimesion Pro after the fact and had to adjust it, but your problem almost sounds like a soundcard issue to me. I'm currently doing a project online with a friend. We are using a general midi file to keep timing while he sings, we send the CWB file back and forth and I take out TTS-1 on my end and use Dimension Pro for better samples and add my vocal and guitar parts. No issues at all. I have noticed that TTS-1 and Dimension Pro work best at 44.1/24bits. If you are using a higher rate, that could be your problem. TTS-1 gives me nothing but static and noise when I have it set to anything higher than 48/24 so I leave it at 44.1/24 just to be safe. I also figured out how to get the SFZ SoundFont 2 loader working with Sonar 8.5 ... I have an 80Mb sf2 GM bank that blow TTS-1 out of the water. I'll post a separate thread about the SFZ player. Good Luck. Shane
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 15:07:17
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Shane,
There are definitely some tuning issues with some of the patches in Dim Pro...It's not a soundcard issue nor a sample rate issue...It's a problem with some of the samples. They're simply not tuned properly.
This problem has existed for a long time.
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 15:10:09
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rick7653
Tells me what I need to know. Obviously I am not the only one with this problem. Makes my decision to move to pro tools easier. I have tried since version 5 to love this program but it is becoming a money pit. Thats what I get for buying on the cheap instead of paying the premium price for functional software. This stuff is absolutely WORTHLESS if it won't play in tune.
Rick, Moving to Pro Tools isn't going to make the Dim Pro samples any more in tune. 
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 15:13:17
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timidi
Just kidding Susan. You suggested on the other thread to look at this thread, and the only real 'use' of these 2 threads is to Bump them so maybe Cakewalk will see them and maybe Cakewalk will actually fix what is supposed to work in the first place (contrary to what Papa may think).
Tim, I have no problem with you (or anybody else) bumping threads in hopes they'll be noticed. My "tongue in cheek" response to you in the other thread (notice there was a *LOL* at the end) was in reference to the four letter "S" word included in your post.
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
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rick7653
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 15:35:47
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papa2005
rick7653
Tells me what I need to know. Obviously I am not the only one with this problem. Makes my decision to move to pro tools easier. I have tried since version 5 to love this program but it is becoming a money pit. Thats what I get for buying on the cheap instead of paying the premium price for functional software. This stuff is absolutely WORTHLESS if it won't play in tune.
Rick,
Moving to Pro Tools isn't going to make the Dim Pro samples any more in tune.
I wouldn't use dimension pro in pro tools. Its the whole sonar thing I am getting away from. Way too buggy to be a viable recording solution. Look at all the posts about dropouts, engine stopping for no reason etc. 75% of the posts here are for problems. Everybody says "Oh it's your sound card or it's your computer or any other excuse except for the underlying reason which is poorly developed software and a company unrealistic about fixing it's problems. No reputable music software should crash that much when you only have 1 track and 1 effect in play. Read the posts. they are all here for the reading. I would stick with this product if they would finally debug it because I like a lot of the features. Problem is I spend more time fixing things than getting any real work done. I have tried this software on 3 different computers now. All deluxe systems with fast processor and tons of ram and different sound cards. Same result every single time. We were hoping for an update to fix all this stuff and all we got was an updated version of audio snap. Big deal. You can't snap audio unless you can actually record some first without the program crashing at random every 10 minutes. I can be sitting there with sonar open and not even playing a note and it will crash sometimes. I can sit and watch the audio engine button turn off all by itself.
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 15:36:34
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Hi Tells me what I need to know. Obviously I am not the only one with this problem. Makes my decision to move to pro tools easier. I have tried since version 5 to love this program but it is becoming a money pit. Thats what I get for buying on the cheap instead of paying the premium price for functional software. This stuff is absolutely WORTHLESS if it won't play in tune. Hi Rick, FWIW, ProTools is not the Panacea you might think it is... Witness the current Exodus of many LE/MP users with the problems related to v8.04 and Windows x64. I wouldn't abandon Sonar because of two of the included soft-synths. There are too many other good choices that work well... ie: Right now, IKMM has a group buy for SampleTank format sample libraries (includes the SampleTank player for free). You can go down the list: - Sonar 8.5
- Cubase 5
- Logic 9
- Nuendo 4
- Samplitude 11
- Digital Performer 7
- ProTools 8
- Reaper 3
Mac or PC (doesn't matter)... An experienced user can find issues with any of the above. Sonar isn't perfect, but IMO it's the top of the heap. (I've used all the above)
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 15:46:55
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So far in 3 years I have NEVER gotten through more than 20 minutes without sonar crashing. If that's the case, I'd *highly* recommend taking a methodical trouble-shooting approach to resolving the problem. If your rig is that unstable, there's an underlying reason why. That issue will follow no matter which DAW software you choose to use.
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 15:47:06
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There are really two issues here. Issue one is that actual tuning problems with Dimension Pro. Everyone knows about that. The real problem is issue two. Cakewalk has remained stone cold silent about it. That is what most concerns me. I would rather they be upfront and say that they are not going to fix the problems, because it would be too costly and that Dimension Pro is not in their future plans, if that is the case. Customers deserve better than this.
Mack
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rick7653
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 15:53:18
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Jim Roseberry
So far in 3 years I have NEVER gotten through more than 20 minutes without sonar crashing.
If that's the case, I'd *highly* recommend taking a methodical trouble-shooting approach to resolving the problem.
If your rig is that unstable, there's an underlying reason why. That issue will follow no matter which DAW software you choose to use.
If it only happened on 1 computer I would have to agree with you. It has happened on 3 different platforms and the same behavior every time. I'm 57 years old and I know a thing or 2 about computers. Built my first one before Bill Gates started selling software so it is not the computer or the sound card that is the problem. Just look on this website. Every different configuration you can imagine has the same exact troubles.
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papa2005
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 15:56:58
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rick7653
I wouldn't use dimension pro in pro tools. Its the whole sonar thing I am getting away from. Way too buggy to be a viable recording solution. Look at all the posts about dropouts, engine stopping for no reason etc. 75% of the posts here are for problems. Everybody says "Oh it's your sound card or it's your computer or any other excuse except for the underlying reason which is poorly developed software and a company unrealistic about fixing it's problems. No reputable music software should crash that much when you only have 1 track and 1 effect in play. Read the posts. they are all here for the reading. I would stick with this product if they would finally debug it because I like a lot of the features. Problem is I spend more time fixing things than getting any real work done. I have tried this software on 3 different computers now. All deluxe systems with fast processor and tons of ram and different sound cards. Same result every single time. We were hoping for an update to fix all this stuff and all we got was an updated version of audio snap. Big deal. You can't snap audio unless you can actually record some first without the program crashing at random every 10 minutes. I can be sitting there with sonar open and not even playing a note and it will crash sometimes. I can sit and watch the audio engine button turn off all by itself.
Rick, I (and plenty of others) have been using SONAR/Cakewalk products for a long time and don't experience "day-to-day" problems with the software. The fact that you have "deluxe systems with fast processor and tons of RAM..." doesn't mean you actually have your system properly configured to get the most out of whatever DAW you choose. The reason you see so many "problems" posted on these forums is because it's a user's peer-to-peer forum provided to offer help to those who need it. Quite often those "users" who post about continuous problems are folks who are trolls, or using pirated software, unacceptable hardware setups, or they just simply have no idea what they're doing... SONAR is a very stable DAW application (even with the known "bugs")...Read what Jim Roseberry had to say...He builds DAW systems and he knows a lot more than I do... Personally, I don't care if you switch to PT or any other DAW application...I'm not employed by CW so it's no big deal to me...
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 16:38:20
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If it only happened on 1 computer I would have to agree with you. It has happened on 3 different platforms and the same behavior every time. I'm 57 years old and I know a thing or 2 about computers. Built my first one before Bill Gates started selling software so it is not the computer or the sound card that is the problem. Just look on this website. Every different configuration you can imagine has the same exact troubles.
I love guys like you who are self-proclaimed experts who have been working on computers since the Univac and yet can't seem to get one properly configured to run DAW software. Yet, you talk about some other guy who has Pro Tools/Cubase/Reaper/whatever can get his system to run flawlessly. That should tell you something - it's not the computer, dude, it's the guy who is running it. For every complaint on this forum, there are probably 10 people who don't have the same issues and likely never will. That's not to say that problems don't exist, but the real troopers are the ones who work their way through them and resolve them. Guys like you just want to whine because they are incapable of solving their own problems. Geez, go get a tape deck or something! You'll get no sympathy from me.
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 16:40:36
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I can't find it right away but a couple of months ago one of cakes mods chimed in about the tuning problem in Dimension Pro and stated there would be a separate update for DP to correct this.
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rick7653
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 17:19:15
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leapinlizard
If it only happened on 1 computer I would have to agree with you. It has happened on 3 different platforms and the same behavior every time. I'm 57 years old and I know a thing or 2 about computers. Built my first one before Bill Gates started selling software so it is not the computer or the sound card that is the problem. Just look on this website. Every different configuration you can imagine has the same exact troubles.
I love guys like you who are self-proclaimed experts who have been working on computers since the Univac and yet can't seem to get one properly configured to run DAW software. Yet, you talk about some other guy who has Pro Tools/Cubase/Reaper/whatever can get his system to run flawlessly. That should tell you something - it's not the computer, dude, it's the guy who is running it. For every complaint on this forum, there are probably 10 people who don't have the same issues and likely never will. That's not to say that problems don't exist, but the real troopers are the ones who work their way through them and resolve them. Guys like you just want to whine because they are incapable of solving their own problems. Geez, go get a tape deck or something! You'll get no sympathy from me.
Who asked you? If you don't have something constructive to say about the problem then why even bother to open your pie hole?
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Re:Dimension pro playing out of tune
2010/04/14 17:35:35
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I run several DAW programs on an old XP system with 1 gig of ram. I do not have Sonar, but i do have the cheapo MC3 and 5, i also run Multitrackstudio, Band in a Box, and Real Band from PG music, and i have not had a crash in three years. I build the system and it flat out works. Even then when i did have a couple crashes it was due to bad plugins and operator error.
Cake has always had a few bugs, but so does everyone else. If you can't get thru 20 minutes without a crash you need a system flush. PULL the lever! Wrong lever!
Anyway, try a complete system overhaul and make sure that all hinderances are addressed and do all the tweaks, i bet you can get it running.
Oh yeah i forgot, I also have Reaper, and it is the only one that crashes my system, don't know why, but honestly i have not felt like chasing the problem down.
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papa2005
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 17:59:45
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rick7653
Who asked you? If you don't have something constructive to say about the problem then why even bother to open your pie hole?
Now that's a truly mature response from someone who is in his mid-50's (according to his profile)...
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
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Re:Thanks for the input everybody
2010/04/14 18:15:22
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rick7653
Who asked you? If you don't have something constructive to say about the problem then why even bother to open your pie hole?
Sorry Rick, but this is a forum, you know, a place where people can come and respectfully air their knowledge / views / opinions. Leapinlizard actually was making a very valid point. I have used Sonar since Version 6, like you, on three different machines, had the problem you experience on the first one, and figured out what the problem was with my rig, made the neccesary changes, and never experienced the problems again. I hope that is constructive enough for you
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