yorolpal
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Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
I setup some screen sets in a project. Very, very simple. One was the TV. One was the PRV. And one was the CV. I know...I know...you're thinking "whoa there Captain X1, dial it back a notch for those of us who aren't Power Users!" Then I locked those three screensets as numbers 1, 2 and 3; just so you know I'm not a "total" showoff. Then I proceeded to use them. Then I saved that project and opened a new one. And guess what? No, go on guess. Those screensets from that other project?...they weren't there anymore...which I knew would be the case...as screensets are per project only. So you know what I did next? No, go on guess. I made three more just like the other ones I already created in that other project. Yea...I'm not kiddin, Hortense. I made three more screensets, just like the other screensets I'd already made in that previous project, for this new project. And don't hold me to this or nothin...but I'm pretty sure if I open yet another new project...I'm gonna have to make em again. Or "import" them. Probably from China or one of those Maldive Islands somewhere. But really, you know, it keeps me busy an all makin the dern things and you know what they say? You don't? Well, go on guess. Idle hands are the Devil's playthings...or words to that effect.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:26:59
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So why dont you SAVE that project with those screen sets of yours AS a template, possibly by the name "my 3 screensets" and next time you start a new project start with THAT template?
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:29:03
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I have a template saved as my custom "normal" template. It didn't save my screensets either.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:29:46
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Yep, you can just create a template with your most used Screensets. In addition, you can copy Screensets from one project to another. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series. Get Sonar X1 Power - Today! Go to: http://www.garrigus.com/ Publisher of DigiFreq - free music technology newsletter. Win a free SoundTech Vocal Trainer Package, go to: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ Publisher of NewTechReview - free consumer technology newsletter. Win a free i2i Stream Wireless Music Pack, go to: http://www.newtechreview.com/newtechreview/
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:30:59
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Hi olpal, When you figure it out can you please save a normal template to my Cakewalk directory as well.... I'll turn on remote connect for you. I'm still trying to learn how to get from selecting a MIDI clip to PRV and have the PRV window remember it's previous state... which almost seems like a great job for screen sets... until you try to set something up like that and then you might just think to your self "WTF? This ain't no help." If you were brave enough to open staff view... you might try the same thing and come to the same conclusion. Many of the windows I want to open are specific to specific clips... I haven't figured out how to use screen sets to my benefit while actually working in SONAR with specific clips. So far it's just been fun watching the screen reload... slowly and all... I really wish they had a fade up to make the time seem more something... that would be cool... yes? I am eager to see a video of someone using screen sets in some manner that makes me think... "wow this video is a lot more informative then the ones where they just show off the fact that screen sets exist... this person is actually using the screen set." It's gonna be great. And I just know this will make me faster... which means more time at forums with all my bestest friends. Good luck. best regards, mike edit spelling yet again
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:39:17
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Pretty funny post.
But I think it depends on how you use X1 as to the merits and wonders of Screen Sets.
I am a very bad musician and do most everything in MIDI.
Screen Set 1, which is always saved in my Normal Template, has a totally blank TV with the browser docked on the left side next to the TV. I can drag in various track templates that are saved in the browser window every time I open a new project. Amazingly cool for the way I work.
After I record some MIDI, I switch to Screen Set 2 which has the PRV enlarged below a single track in the TV set above the PRV. I can edit MIDI here while also seeing the TV that contains that MIDI track.
Screen Set 3 has the Console view so I can add more adjustments to each track in the mix.
Back to SS 1 to record more MIDI. SS 2 to edit the MIDI. SS 3 to the mix and so on.
All Screen Sets are saved in the Normal Template and I can begin each project the same way.
SS 1 drag in EZDrummer. Record drums.
SS 2 edit drums.
Back to SS1 to record Bass.
SS2 to edit bass.
Back to SS1 for organ.
SS2 edit organ.
SS3 to see how it fits.
Back to SS1.
All by just clicking the numeric key pad.
All Screen Sets locked unless I need to change the Screen Sets for a certain project.
If I use Session Drummer and the Step Sequencer I'll unlock and change a Screen Set and it will be saved for that project.
For my musically challenged brain the Screen Set work flow is better than I could have imagined.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:40:24
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yorolpal
I have a template saved as my custom "normal" template. It didn't save my screensets either.
Try naming it blank and then "save as" whatever as a template file in tempplates. worked for me but I didn't make a custom screenset and save it to ascreen set num.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:41:03
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@Mike...The Staff View!!!!!! Whaddya think I am, crazy!!!!???
@Scott G...I did save my normal template which contained the new screensets I'd made but it didn't save the screensets. Are you saying it's supposed to? I'll try again...hope springs eternal.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:43:05
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Mike I'll send you my Normal Template if you think it will help any. It's pretty simple but works great especially for editing MIDI
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:43:47
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Hi Humblenoise, How do you use screen sets to work in MIDI on different clips or tracks? Do you just have all the other clips muted in PRV or what? I am sincerely curious as I'm looking for a best practice methodology to adopt. best regards, mike edit to add: Thanks for the offer I was just goofing with my olpal... we're old and slow.
post edited by mike_mccue - 2010/12/26 18:45:16
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:44:51
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yorolpal
@Scott G...I did save my normal template which contained the new screensets I'd made but it didn't save the screensets. Are you saying it's supposed to? I'll try again...hope springs eternal.
It takes a bit to get them customized to your liking and locking them before you save your template will help, but yes, you can save those Screen Sets to a template.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:47:39
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I have a Screen Set that has a single track visible at the top and the PRV as big as it will go under that. Scroll through your MIDI tracks in that single track view with the mouse wheel till you get to the track you want to Edit. Double click that track and the MIDI notes will appear in the PRV - edit away.
Again I can send you that file if you're interested.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:48:03
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Well, I can't. I just went back and followed the same steps I outlined in my original post. Then I saved as my "normal" template. Then I closed and then reopened X1. There was my normal template but when I clicked on the screensets 1, 2 and 3 they were not my screensets at all. What am I forgetting or doing wrong?? PS: Mike doesn't mean we are of advanced age or not quick on the uptake...that's our comedy duo stage name;-)
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:49:42
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Do you have an Audio or MIDI track saved in your Normal template?
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:51:31
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Both. Several of them. I have softsynths, external midi hardware and pre-setup vocal and guitar tracks ready to record. Why do you ask?
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:52:48
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I'm good on the file... I can do that part. I think I just have to learn a new way to use PRV. I only use it with the single clip I am working on and never use the selection or highlight features in the right margin... I can see that I need to learn to get use to having more than one track over there and use the selection tools as you advise to make use of screen sets. Somehow it seems like yet another step added to a streamlined work flow. In the past when doing that I just ended up with a bunch of gray stuff that seemed like unnecessary visual noise so I adopted the single clip work flow. I'll try to learn what you are doing. Thank you. Olpal, is it possible your preferences are pointing to one template directory while you saving your current file to another? best regards, mike I can't spell
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:52:53
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yorolpal
@Scott G...I did save my normal template which contained the new screensets I'd made but it didn't save the screensets. Are you saying it's supposed to? I'll try again...hope springs eternal.
Your opening post on the thread is pretty funny, Yorolpal - made me chuckle, thanks for that. And then I saw the others coming in with the same answer I was going to post. You really can save those Screensets in a template. It sounds like you're making it more complicated than it needs to be. Here's what I did, making a new Normal Template which has the 4 templates I want to use as the springboard for my projects. I moved the first screen the way I wanted it - I pushed "2" for the second Screenset, moved things the way I wanted - same for 3 and 4. Saved this as a TEMPLATE, not a project, naming it "Normal" so it would over-write the default. Templates are kept in the "Project Template" folder in your "Cakewalk Content" folder created for X1. No need to re-name the Screensets or re-number them. Just save the Template. It's easy to remember what they are, starting with set 1 which hopefully is the one you use the most. Swear - that's all there is to it. Randy B.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:55:18
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"PS: Mike doesn't mean we are of advanced age or not quick on the uptake...that's our comedy duo stage name;-)"
I'm the straight man... he's the funny one. :-)
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:55:27
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yorolpal
Both. Several of them. I have softsynths, external midi hardware and pre-setup vocal and guitar tracks ready to record. Why do you ask?
If you don't have at least one track Screen Sets are disabled and get all scrambled if you try and save them.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:57:14
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I swear, that's exactly what I've done...4 times now and the screensets ARE NOT saved for me. I'm figuring I'm doing something wrong...but what?? Back I go to try again.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:57:42
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yorolpal
@Scott G...I did save my normal template which contained the new screensets I'd made but it didn't save the screensets. Are you saying it's supposed to? I'll try again...hope springs eternal.
Your opening post on the thread is pretty funny, Yorolpal - made me chuckle, thanks for that. And then I saw the others coming in with the same answer I was going to post. You really can save those Screensets in a template. It sounds like you're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
Here's what I did, making a new Normal Template which has the 4 templates I want to use as the springboard for my projects. I moved the first screen the way I wanted it - I pushed "2" for the second Screenset, moved things the way I wanted - same for 3 and 4.
Saved this as a TEMPLATE, not a project, naming it "Normal" so it would over-write the default. Templates are kept in the "Project Template" folder in your "Cakewalk Content" folder created for X1.
No need to re-name the Screensets or re-number them. Just save the Template. It's easy to remember what they are, starting with set 1 which hopefully is the one you use the most.
Swear - that's all there is to it.
Randy B.
"I moved the first screen the way I wanted it PUSH "1" - I pushed "2" for the second Screenset, moved things the way I wanted - same for 3 and 4." Randy I assume you meant to write push "1"?
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 18:58:28
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HumbleNoise
I have a Screen Set that has a single track visible at the top and the PRV as big as it will go under that. Scroll through your MIDI tracks in that single track view with the mouse wheel till you get to the track you want to Edit. Double click that track and the MIDI notes will appear in the PRV - edit away.
Again I can send you that file if you're interested.
OK I was totally misinterpreting what you were saying... now I understand... this does seem like a very good idea. THANK YOU!!!
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 19:00:23
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 19:02:04
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Yep, you can just create a template with your most used Screensets. In addition, you can copy Screensets from one project to another.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 19:03:14
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Yorolpal.... ...already been mentioned but with frustration psts can go by un-read: 1. Make sure you have AT LEAST one track when you save that template or else screen sets wont work-wont be saved 2.Perhaps you are saving in sonar 8.5/templates and then you load from Sonar X1/templates or something to that effect. Make absolutely sure you are saving and loading from THE SAME folder again, both things were mentioned up in this thread but maybe you didnt notice them ;) edit: just saw that no1 has been checked ;)
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ba_midi
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 19:05:20
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yorolpal
I have a template saved as my custom "normal" template. It didn't save my screensets either.
It's too bad we can't just save the screensets (ie whatever views are open, etc) as a "screenset template" ... iow, so we could just import or load them like we did layouts. BUT I must admit - after spending almost 2 entire days working strictly in X1, I hardly find a need to even use them. With all the various "toggles" available, it's been easy to just work with one basic screenset (almost like a default layout) and still have access to what I need / when I need it by using the toggles ("B", "I", etc). I just setup my main screenset with everything I MIGHT want to use, then toggle off what I don't want to use, and/or toggle back on. 1 less thing to click, ya know? ;)
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2010/12/26 19:10:40
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I promise it's not saving my screensets guys. I even went back just now and did each of the screens in a whole new way. I can get the screens so that I can click on 1,2 and 3 and the proper screens come up. Everytime. Then I save that as my new "normal" template. Then I close X1 and then I reopen X1. My normal template loads up fine. I then click on the number 2 in the screensets portion of the Control Bar. This should bring up a full screen PRV. But it doesn't. Then I click on 3 which should bring up the full screen CV. But it doesn't. I've tried creating the screens in several different ways and can always get them to work in the project...but not if I save that as a template and reload it. Maybe you can't do this with your "normal" template...but that doesn't make sense. Anyways...it's martini time here in Dixie...so screw screensets for the time bein. I'll get back to em later....or not.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 19:11:09
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Yorpal, the screensets are only saved with a project. I don't think they are saved into templates. But they can be recalled from one project to the next but I think you have to have both projects open at the same time. On another note, whats really cool is setting up buttons on the Alphatrack and changing the Inspector from Track to ProChannel view at the push of a button using the screen sets. Pretty much eliminates expanding tracks when mixing except for any last minute edits. That is a very nice workflow capability which eliminates a lot of screen clicks while crafting the mix. Another time saver, having 3 different EQs available in the ProChannel. With the click of a button you can quickly rotate through all three to see which matches your mix the best. I'm telling all my UAD friends, you may never have to load another SSL, LA2A or 1176 with the ProChannel, it's that good. Now hang on to your cards because that Studer plug in is worth the price of admission. If Cakewalk could come close on that front, my UAD would only see use when I need the Plate 140 or 250. Back to the screensets, that design could use a quicksave or something similar and it would be easier to use. But, even in it's current form, its very nice and is one step closer to the Protools capability of applying templates to tracks.
post edited by Middleman - 2010/12/26 19:13:05
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 19:12:15
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HumbleNoise
Randy I assume you meant to write push "1"?
Hi - No, I didn't mean to write "push 1"--The first Screenset is what's already up when you open X1. No need to push 1 - I said Push 2 at the point where I'm opening the second Screenset so I can edit it. And there's no need to do any special saving - Screensets are automatically saved as you re-arrange them. You just don't want to touch your sreens again before saving the Template, because whatever was last displayed is what will be saved. And raising hand to agree that you can't save the Template without tracks in it. That does scramble the Screensets up. If that's a bug or not, I don't know. I just saved the default single Audio track and single MIDI track, and with Track Inspector hid them from view. Randy B.
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Re:Ok I tried screensets...I get it...but...meh...
2010/12/26 19:14:08
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I promise it's not saving my screensets guys. I may have dreamed this, but I think I remember *someone* saying if the screensets were locked they don't save and it's a bug. If I'm wrong, take my screensets away. But try saving with them unlocked ? I just shut down for a little break or I would, Ol Pal.
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