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Numerous problems reported with X2, 2 month later still no real update?

Numerous problems reported with X2, 2 month later still no real update?
 
 
Many have send bug reports and been confirmed both here and by Cakewalk but still no update that address the issues? Considering to be a “release-version” X2 is kind of stable but far from perfect. By the time span now, I though we should have seen the third update, at least second one; but it really surprise that Cakewalk haven’t be able to produce ONE SINGLE Update yet?
 
 
PRV tools like "mute" doesn't work, new track lane have issues, BREVERB bugs, random close and crash, audio drop outs during recordings randomly, selected and highlighted tracks get unselected during mix down?... the list just go on….
 
 
By all means, thanks for the FREE Exclusive Club content, but I rater get an update that fix the problems in my everyday work, thank you.
The only things Cakewalk keep sending me are new "sales pitch" of content “Buy now! and save $100!”, instead of fixing the real problems with X2.
 
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Release date: September 21, 2012

Cakewalk® Announces SONAR X2 now shipping

Boston, MA, (September 21, 2012) — Cakewalk, the world's leading developer of powerful and easy to use products for music creation and recording, announces the highly anticipated SONAR X2 is now shipping and available the world over from Roland distribution partners and via the cloud at www.Cakewalk.com.

http://www.cakewalk.com/Press/release.aspx/Cakewalk-Annouces-SONAR-X2-Now-Shipping

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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 04:17:56 (permalink)
    I'm not seeing any of the problems you've listed above since the quickfix was released.

    And it's only been 2 months, not 3

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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 05:13:11 (permalink)
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    And it's only been 2 months, not 3


    Ok. 2...still


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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 05:16:03 (permalink)
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    I'm not seeing any of the problems you've listed above since the quickfix was released.

    Try to mute a note in PRV. ALT CLICK- as you can see it keep delete it..
    BREVERB keeps turn ON OFF "dead" in a BUS after reloading project?
    Drop Outs of audio, audio engine halt sometimes... and so on...Deleting a BUS channel make SONAR X2 crash sometimes...
     
    Tracklanes, get unlaned/ hide randomly selecting other tracks? Track lanes counts adds +20 empty tracks called "0" after reloading project?
    Selecting Synth Audio track, MIDI Track and then range of the selection make MIDI track get unselected during Mixdown? 
    The list goes on.... 
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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 05:22:42 (permalink)
    No issues with your computer?

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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 05:24:39 (permalink)
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    No issues with your computer?


    No. Some of issues mention has been confirmed by Cakewalk + other users.


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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 05:26:52 (permalink)
    Ok. Because I have Win8 here on a older dualcore laptop. And that laptop had some funny issues. Wich led back to worn out memory. Not sure how old your memory is. I think you work your DAW pretty hard... Not pointing a finger. Just lending a hand (testpc).

    Windows 8 is now receiving major code upgrades. It's just common sense to wait a little. And to perfect what they are working on.  The WIN8 release is still doing funny stuff. 

    X2 on my WIN7 studio machine has been very stable.  

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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 09:17:21 (permalink)
    I also haven't even touched X2 due to one particular show-stopper with the meters. $99 that could have went to other bills. Blah. O well X1 works.
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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 09:39:03 (permalink)
    As far as I'm concerned my ol pal Freddie's right.  X2 has quite a few anomalies and bugs that are very distracting.  I'm glad not everyone has them (or doesn't know they have them) but they are real and making many of us a bit cranky.

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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 09:50:43 (permalink)
    Hopefully soon.
    I need the meters to work in TV without having to do this & that just to have a basic & necessary DAW feature.

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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 10:45:11 (permalink)
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    As far as I'm concerned my ol pal Freddie's right.  X2 has quite a few anomalies and bugs that are very distracting.  I'm glad not everyone has them (or doesn't know they have them) but they are real and making many of us a bit cranky.

    +1
     
    Have seen quite a few issues.  VVocal doesn't mute the underlying clip in a take lane for example.  Lots of random crashes, can't figure out how to reproduce. 
     
    However, I'm in no hurry for an update, because I'd like to see as many bugs fixed and as much testing as possible before it's released.  I still have X1 on my system if I need something more stable.
     
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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 10:56:27 (permalink)
    I can confirm the buggy Breverb (sometimes will be dead in the water and have to insert new instace)
    Crashes on larger projects
    Other random problems that I have submitted to Cake

    Most times I revert back to X1 to finish these projects, for whatever reason, when I use them with X2, they crash.
    Here's hoping for an "X2A"


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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 11:41:29 (permalink)
    I went back to my rock solid X1 after only a couple of days with X2 - it was very clear almost immediately to me that there was something fundamentally wrong; in my instance it was extremely weird graphic problems, jumping displays etc - I can definitely confirm in my very short trial the meter problems. I just thought it was not quite ready so decided to await the first patch before taking any further time with it.
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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/15 12:15:17 (permalink)
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    As far as I'm concerned my ol pal Freddie's right.  X2 has quite a few anomalies and bugs that are very distracting.  I'm glad not everyone has them (or doesn't know they have them) but they are real and making many of us a bit cranky.

    +1 


    Gotta agree. 


    I've had major flakeyness, especially with take lanes.  I've not got as far in a project to use the automation lanes so not sure about those yet. But Mucho engine stops!



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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/19 05:23:06 (permalink)
    I got more stuff in my email "BUY NOW and save $€£" from Cakewalk. Still no UPDATE that FIX the problems?
     

     



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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/19 06:50:30 (permalink)
    Excuse me Freddie H but you are being extremely rude and self-centred!
    You! Sir! Are attempting to be a cue jumper!
     
    The bakers I am certain, are STILL hard at work fixing the 24/96 bug in the TTS-1 which must be extremely buggie buggie buggie because myself and I know absolutely for sure that at least one other forum member reported this to the bakers. In Oct 2010.
     
    On completion of this then I’m sure they will be moving on to the PX-64 Percussion Strips buggie buggie bugginess, Alzheimer's disease, where it’s main symptom is difficulty in remembering recent events. That is to say “PRESETS” in addition “USER personalised settings” which on return to a project have disappeared in to a black holes event horizon never to be seen again.
     
    May I respectfully suggest Freddie me old mate, that IMHO your wait will be long a tedious for I have no faith that X2a will make us all feel like happy chappies due to the “fiscal policy rationalisation” on behalf of Tokyo
     
    But I do have a confession to make. I think I my self are a cue jumper! Because I think there are others that have been waiting longer then you and me.
     
    Sorry for the minimalist approach to my reply
     
    With regards to you opinion of the bakers ect all I can say is…
    “RIGHT SAID FRED”
     
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    I think Freddie is suffering from LCCS. 2012/11/19 07:51:11 (permalink)


    I think Freddie is suffering from LCCS.

    When I first came down with Loyal Cakewalk Customer Syndrome I thought it was just an allergic reaction to bad marketing strategy.

    But then the regularity of the yearly disappointment started to sink in... and now I am left with the impression that Cakewalk takes it's loyal customers for granted.








    It feels as if, and this is just my impression as a paying customer, Cakewalk made a determination that it can afford to write off many of its old customers while it decided to attract new customers who weren't familiar with the legacy of disappointment.

    That plan worked so well that Roland will now implement structural reform of the Electronic Musical Instruments Business.

    I wonder if anyone who can make a difference is actually paying attention. 





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    Re:I think Freddie is suffering from LCCS. 2012/11/19 07:55:32 (permalink)
    no 128 point fonts ? something strange is afoot at circle K 
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    Am I the only sane one? 2012/11/19 08:01:59 (permalink)
    I have definitely woken up in an alternate universe this morning. Why on earth would a customer be loyal?

    Perhaps other people's purchasing decisions are based on different criteria to mine but if I buy something and I'm happy with the product, happy with the service then I'm likely to buy from the company again.

    If I'm not I buy elsewhere next time with a lesson learned. I certainly don't keep buying from them in the hope that I might be satisfied one day. Anyone who does that is going to be extremely disappointed, or perhaps they are insane in the first place.

    Bizarre to say the least.

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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/19 08:56:20 (permalink)
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    Excuse me Freddie H but you are being extremely rude and self-centred!
    You! Sir! Are attempting to be a cue jumper!

    The bakers I am certain, are STILL hard at work fixing the 24/96 bug in the TTS-1 which must be extremely buggie buggie buggie because myself and I know absolutely for sure that at least one other forum member reported this to the bakers. In Oct 2010.

    On completion of this then I’m sure they will be moving on to the PX-64 Percussion Strips buggie buggie bugginess, Alzheimer's disease, where it’s main symptom is difficulty in remembering recent events. That is to say “PRESETS” in addition “USER personalised settings” which on return to a project have disappeared in to a black holes event horizon never to be seen again.

    May I respectfully suggest Freddie me old mate, that IMHO your wait will be long a tedious for I have no faith that X2a will make us all feel like happy chappies due to the “fiscal policy rationalisation” on behalf of Tokyo

    But I do have a confession to make. I think I my self are a cue jumper! Because I think there are others that have been waiting longer then you and me.

    Sorry for the minimalist approach to my reply

    With regards to you opinion of the bakers ect all I can say is…
    “RIGHT SAID FRED”
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEmJ-VWPDM4


    Much much much more to come 
    Rude? 2 month later soon 3 and still no update after numerous bug report sended by all kind of users worldwide?
    Come on, Glenn!
    It should be their top-main priority to fix the bugs. Don't forget, for many of us SONAR X2 is a tool to make business.


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    Re:I think Freddie is suffering from LCCS. 2012/11/19 09:08:34 (permalink)
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    I think Freddie is suffering from LCCS.

    When I first came down with Loyal Cakewalk Customer Syndrome I thought it was just an allergic reaction to bad marketing strategy.

    But then the regularity of the yearly disappointment started to sink in... and now I am left with the impression that Cakewalk takes it's loyal customers for granted.








    It feels as if, and this is just my impression as a paying customer, Cakewalk made a determination that it can afford to write off many of its old customers while it decided to attract new customers who weren't familiar with the legacy of disappointment.

    That plan worked so well that Roland will now implement structural reform of the Electronic Musical Instruments Business.

    I wonder if anyone who can make a difference is actually paying attention. 





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    HAHA


    +1


    But at least I haven't paid for a diss appointment in a while. 

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    Re:Am I the only sane one? 2012/11/19 09:40:38 (permalink)
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    I have definitely woken up in an alternate universe this morning. Why on earth would a customer be loyal?

    Perhaps other people's purchasing decisions are based on different criteria to mine but if I buy something and I'm happy with the product, happy with the service then I'm likely to buy from the company again.

    If I'm not I buy elsewhere next time with a lesson learned. I certainly don't keep buying from them in the hope that I might be satisfied one day. Anyone who does that is going to be extremely disappointed, or perhaps they are insane in the first place.

    Bizarre to say the least.

    I couldn't agree more.  It baffles me why certain people come on here year after year complaining about Sonar.
     
    I have a Ford Focus, and love it.  When I next buy a car, I will try another one.  If I buy a new model and it's terrible, I will think twice about getting another.  I would not keep trying them and complaining on some Ford Focus forum, I'd just buy a different car.
     
    I, like many others, found Sonar X1 stable, especially X1d, which was rock solid FOR ME.  When X2 came out, I bought it because I'd been so happy with X1.  I didn't initialy use it for paying work, as new software is often buggy.  After the quick fix, X2 became very stable for me.
     
    If X1 had been bad for me, I wouldn't have updated, and would be looking elsewhere.

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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/19 09:44:15 (permalink)
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    Excuse me Freddie H but you are being extremely rude and self-centred!
    You! Sir! Are attempting to be a cue jumper!

    The bakers I am certain, are STILL hard at work fixing the 24/96 bug in the TTS-1 which must be extremely buggie buggie buggie because myself and I know absolutely for sure that at least one other forum member reported this to the bakers. In Oct 2010.

    On completion of this then I’m sure they will be moving on to the PX-64 Percussion Strips buggie buggie bugginess, Alzheimer's disease, where it’s main symptom is difficulty in remembering recent events. That is to say “PRESETS” in addition “USER personalised settings” which on return to a project have disappeared in to a black holes event horizon never to be seen again.

    May I respectfully suggest Freddie me old mate, that IMHO your wait will be long a tedious for I have no faith that X2a will make us all feel like happy chappies due to the “fiscal policy rationalisation” on behalf of Tokyo

    But I do have a confession to make. I think I my self are a cue jumper! Because I think there are others that have been waiting longer then you and me.

    Sorry for the minimalist approach to my reply

    With regards to you opinion of the bakers ect all I can say is…
    “RIGHT SAID FRED”
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEmJ-VWPDM4


    Much much much more to come 
    Rude? 2 month later soon 3 and still no update after numerous bug report sended by all kind of users worldwide?
    Come on, Glenn!
    It should be their top-main priority to fix the bugs. Don't forget, for many of us SONAR X2 is a tool to make business.

    Freddie - I am in no way trying to de-legitimize your frustrations here.  I do have to say this - if you have upgraded your primary recording station to X2 without a thorough test outside of your production needs, then you have not made a particularly bright business decision.  ALWAYS put such a major cornerstone purchase onto a test machine while you work through any issues, bugs, workarounds, learning, etc., PRIOR to making it your primary production recording software.

    It would seem to me that you must have some prior version still installed.  Just use that until the rest of things get sorted out.  I am QUITE sure that the bakers are hard at work getting as many things ready for beta testing - or may even HAVE things in testing, to address a large number of both minor annoyances as well as major problems.

    I would also say that there are a great many folks out here in the forum, myself included, that are quite happily chugging along with X2.  I happen to like it a lot - and will probably like it more when some of the inconveniences are addressed.  In any case, I also have retained my X1 Producer Expanded, along with my 8.5.3 - just to make sure I can do my work on SOME workable version of the software.

    If you are running a business with this, then I would suggest you take a look at your contingency planning, and disaster recovery planning - they seem a bit light.

    Lastly, the whole giant font thing is really pretty childish.

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    Re:I think Freddie is suffering from LCCS. 2012/11/19 09:47:42 (permalink)
    Don't forget, for many of us SONAR X2 is a tool to make business.


    Then explain why it is that people who rely on a piece of software to earn a living are doing so with a brand new, untested piece of software, which as you are all too painfully aware is riddled with showstopping bugs?


    The truth is that those people who are using it for income generation are either a) too busy to come on here venting, b) finding adequate workarounds, c) have bought it but not installed it until at least 1 round of fixes, d) have installed it on a second system so that bugs do no interfere with a system known to work.

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    Re:Numerous problems reported with X2, 2-3 month later still no real update? 2012/11/19 09:48:02 (permalink)
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    Excuse me Freddie H but you are being extremely rude and self-centred!
    You! Sir! Are attempting to be a cue jumper!

    The bakers I am certain, are STILL hard at work fixing the 24/96 bug in the TTS-1 which must be extremely buggie buggie buggie because myself and I know absolutely for sure that at least one other forum member reported this to the bakers. In Oct 2010.

    On completion of this then I’m sure they will be moving on to the PX-64 Percussion Strips buggie buggie bugginess, Alzheimer's disease, where it’s main symptom is difficulty in remembering recent events. That is to say “PRESETS” in addition “USER personalised settings” which on return to a project have disappeared in to a black holes event horizon never to be seen again.

    May I respectfully suggest Freddie me old mate, that IMHO your wait will be long a tedious for I have no faith that X2a will make us all feel like happy chappies due to the “fiscal policy rationalisation” on behalf of Tokyo

    But I do have a confession to make. I think I my self are a cue jumper! Because I think there are others that have been waiting longer then you and me.

    Sorry for the minimalist approach to my reply

    With regards to you opinion of the bakers ect all I can say is…
    “RIGHT SAID FRED”
     
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    I think you mean queue.
     
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    Re:I think Freddie is suffering from LCCS. 2012/11/19 09:50:06 (permalink)
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    Don't forget, for many of us SONAR X2 is a tool to make business.


    Then explain why it is that people who rely on a piece of software to earn a living are doing so with a brand new, untested piece of software, which as you are all too painfully aware is riddled with showstopping bugs?


    The truth is that those people who are using it for income generation are either a) too busy to come on here venting, b) finding adequate workarounds, c) have bought it but not installed it until at least 1 round of fixes, d) have installed it on a second system so that bugs do no interfere with a system known to work.

    By the time it goes on sale it really shold not be 'untested'.......by the time it goes on sale it is not unreasonable to expect it to work as advertised.
     
     
     
    For the record i have had fewer problesm with X2 (so far) than I did with X1

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    Re:I think Freddie is suffering from LCCS. 2012/11/19 10:05:49 (permalink)
    Every piece of commercial software has some number of bugs present at the time it is released to distribution.  That is how it has always been, and that is how it will always be.

    If someone in this day and age is running a business where they replace their bread and butter moneymaker with some new version of things without first thoroughly testing that new version out for THEIR hardware/software/workflow environment, then that person is doing a GREAT disservice to themselves, and more importantly, to their customers.

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    Re:I think Freddie is suffering from LCCS. 2012/11/19 10:08:56 (permalink)
    I remember you having problems with X1 Twig.

    The problem is, there will always be trade off between the marketing & the technical guys about just how "ready" a product is for release. And Marketing usually win.

    Result - there will always be at least 1 major patch for a given piece of software before it performs as well as the technical spec suggests.

    I don't think X1a was particularly timely, and X1 was a train wreck of a release compared to X2.

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