Danny Danzi
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/06 22:22:00
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LOL I give you guys credit for even posting in this thread. When I see a post count of 2 followed by a rant and a threat to jump ship, it tells the story. He's never asked for help. Anyone reading this forum knows that some of the dudes here have a better chance of helping you than Sonar support. Seriously. If it's not a bug or something broken with the program, there's enough advice here to fix a person or give them a solid work-around.
As for those that continuously complain....it's a tough call. I know for a fact that Bub has definitely had his share of issues starting with X1. He's tried to get help from everyone on the forum as well as Sonar support....and still didn't fair too well. I had some of the same issues he had, but luckily for me, one of the patches in X1 fixed me up. In a situation like that, it's tough not to vent...but in all fairness, a guy in that situation should probably try another DAW for his own sanity. I know that's what I'd do without even thinking about it...but that's me.
There was another name that was mentioned....I long for the day that the community wakes up and realizes that dude is one of the most misinformative, misleading, pompous, hurtful, and sarcastic individuals that has ever been on this forum. He wins the Richard Cranium Award every year hands down as well as honorable mention for the "start trouble and run" award. A respected member/drummer from the UK that followed his posts put him in line at every turn for a bit. I never said it, but should have. I salute you for your efforts (you know who you are)....and I wish the forum would have joined your crusade. I would have joined you, but I get too violent and own a home near this guy. Every time I go there...I entertain the thought of paying him a visit just to see if he'd attempt to treat me in person like he has numerous times on this forum. See? I start getting in nut mode....so I really try to stay away from stuff like this. I've been doing good with my anger management. :)
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/06 22:32:25
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Danny. "There was another name that was mentioned....I long for the day that the community wakes up and realizes that dude is one of the most misinformative, misleading, pompous, hurtful, and sarcastic individuals that has ever been on this forum."
Stop talking about me like that!
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Danny Danzi
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/06 22:45:01
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LOL! You so know it ain't you. I can't tell you how many times over the years that you've bailed my sorry butt out. ;)
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/06 23:11:30
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jb101
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Why bother? He only has 2 posts so he's probably from gearsluts.
Look at his name. He's probably from gearsluts.
as pointed out, a studio down for 7 days?
Hyperbole, or a frustrated noob?
Just because he sounds like he's from gearsluts, doesn't mean we need to act like we are, does it? Not straight away, surely? Maybe we should all move there. My original posts were about benefit of the doubt, innocent 'til proven guilty. Stupid idea, I'm of to gs..
You're right. My apologies to the good people over at GS. I never go there but a while back, it seemed like there was some kind of feud between this forum and GS.
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/06 23:36:20
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John
Sonar does not need a lot of tweaking. I have or had run almost all DAWs at one time or another. At least those the run on a PC. I can state accurately that Sonar through the years has been at least as stable to all the others and most of the time more stable. X2a is very stable here.
Bub is unhappy with the new Sonar as well as having all sorts of problems with it. I have, and so have others, tried to help him but to no avail. None the less he has come into any thread that is a negative one about X1 or X2. Its his style now. He offers no help or a reason for a problem all he does is bash CW and X1 and X2. Its becoming tiresome.
Some one else will need to post this answer to Bub because he has blocked me.
But if some one is this unhappy with a product it seems to me that the person would find another product that they like and be unhappy there.
In other words its time to give it up and move on Bub.
+ many many many, John.
Bub is not alone in this. Mcq and a few others need to wake up and move on.
It would make them, and us, much more content.
I know I keep saying this, but some dullards never listen - "If you can't hold an adult attitude in front of something, then walk away."
Being child-like is not a bad thing, being childish is. Bub can now put his fingers in his ears and go "Wah wah wah" and block me. This is to be expected.
I miss his old avatar, it so suited him..
I've had nothing but good things to say about X2. I've repeatedly said it works great on my system. Why don't you big talkers attack Danny? He's got his hand on Ctrl-S all the time now too ... he said so in another thread just the other day that meandered on for about 5 or 6 paragraphs. As a matter of fact ... he's said more bad about Sonar lately than I have. See ... the difference between me and Danny is, he'll actually come to you two a-hole's houses and beat you in to a bloody pulp, like you deserve. But me, I'll just sit here and talk you to tears. That's why you don't bust his balls like you do mine. You have no spine.
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/06 23:46:27
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Danny Danzi
As for those that continuously complain....it's a tough call. I know for a fact that Bub has definitely had his share of issues starting with X1. He's tried to get help from everyone on the forum as well as Sonar support....and still didn't fair too well. I had some of the same issues he had, but luckily for me, one of the patches in X1 fixed me up. In a situation like that, it's tough not to vent...but in all fairness, a guy in that situation should probably try another DAW for his own sanity. I know that's what I'd do without even thinking about it...but that's me.
-Danny
I did go to another DAW. Paid some bucks for it too. I upgraded to X2, and it sits on my HDD. Actually, I lied ... I did a fresh format with all MS updates and it's gone now. I just have X2. X2 has been working great so far and I have no intention of installing the A patch, especially after reading all the posts about it here lately. Regarding my X1 troubles, and ya know, I hate to say "my X1 troubles" because so many had the same problems ... we can sit here and troubleshoot my system till we're both blue in the face ... but here are the facts ... On a fresh install of my OS with all updates to my PC, I can install X1 and it simply will not work. On a fresh install of my OS with all updates to my PC, I can install X2 and it shows no sign of the troubles I had with X1. If you still conclude that the problem is the PC, you need to find another hobby. (That's not directed at you Danny, but whoever reads it.)
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Danny Danzi
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 00:56:24
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Bub
I've had nothing but good things to say about X2. I've repeatedly said it works great on my system.
Why don't you big talkers attack Danny? He's got his hand on Ctrl-S all the time now too ... he said so in another thread just the other day that meandered on for about 5 or 6 paragraphs. As a matter of fact ... he's said more bad about Sonar lately than I have.
See ... the difference between me and Danny is, he'll actually come to you two a-hole's houses and beat you in to a bloody pulp, like you deserve. But me, I'll just sit here and talk you to tears. That's why you don't bust his balls like you do mine. You have no spine. I can vouch for all of this as well. I definitely have had my share of legit gripes and have never been afraid to post about them. I think the key to how I delivered that post you're mentioning was, I really didn't rant about anything explained my issues as well as being sympathetic to the OP there as well as others who have had a hard time with Sonar. I sort of just spoke it the way I've lived it in all the years of using this product. There are definitely changes that need to be made. I think the more we voice them in a caring way, the more the bakers may at least look into what we're talking about. Yep also true about ctrl+s. Especially true for me when using Sonar 64. That bitbridge server thing just doesn't like me. That said, if you keep everything as "64" as possible, I fair well with it. Sonar on its own for 64 bit using its plugs has never crashed on me. It's those darn 3rd party plugs that seem to bite me. Sonar X2 after this last patch, hasn't given me any issues other than UAD 2's newest update (which I uninstalled and reverted to an older one) and ARC was going ballistic in X2. I had to use a later version with a work-around, but no more crashes so far with 32 bit. But I'll make no bones about it....Cakewalk/Sonar has forced me to do more stuff to my pc to make things work smoothly than any other DAW besides Cubase 3 and PT for Windows. Cubase and PT for Windows were the worst experiences of all time for me. Oh please Bub (said in a sincere begging voice) don't make them come after me. LOL! I've been doing so good! :)
I did go to another DAW. Paid some bucks for it too. I upgraded to X2, and it sits on my HDD. Actually, I lied ... I did a fresh format with all MS updates and it's gone now. I just have X2. X2 has been working great so far and I have no intention of installing the A patch, especially after reading all the posts about it here lately.
Regarding my X1 troubles, and ya know, I hate to say "my X1 troubles" because so many had the same problems ... we can sit here and troubleshoot my system till we're both blue in the face ... but here are the facts ...
On a fresh install of my OS with all updates to my PC, I can install X1 and it simply will not work.
On a fresh install of my OS with all updates to my PC, I can install X2 and it shows no sign of the troubles I had with X1.
If you still conclude that the problem is the PC, you need to find another hobby.
(That's not directed at you Danny, but whoever reads it.)
And I don't blame you one bit for that. I remember reading all the posts of problems you had which some I too had experienced for myself. For a while there, I thought for sure people thought we were crazy and the only ones experiencing that whole PC quirkiness. Then others started to chime in about it thankfully. Glad X2 is working well for you....I also remember you posting about it being good for you. If you don't need that X2a patch, definitely stay away from it. I had a few issues with the original release, but the hotfix helped me out a lot. I didn't put it on my good boxes until the X2a patch...and so far so good. But yeah, I'm still permanently in ctrl+s with my left hand just in case. My biggest thing for how I work is to stay away from 64 bit. I got powerful enough boxes where I don't need it anyway...so 32 works good enough for me. :) Nah, no problem....I didn't take it as directed at me. You have the right to tell it the way you lived it man. There's nothing worse than spending money on something that doesn't work right. Then you spend your time trying to fix it, get the help of credible others and it still doesn't work. That's reason to vent for sure and definitely a reason to jump ship. -Danny
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 02:53:09
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Excuse me, but what's wrong with the quick fix and the X2a patch?
Just finished an animation score which I did on X1d (btw, rock solid performance during the 3 weeks I was doing the animation score) and am about ready to install X2...
Please advise on whether to install the quickfix and X2 patch.
Thanks.
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 03:44:56
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vicsant
Excuse me, but what's wrong with the quick fix and the X2a patch?
Just finished an animation score which I did on X1d (btw, rock solid performance during the 3 weeks I was doing the animation score) and am about ready to install X2...
Please advise on whether to install the quickfix and X2 patch.
Thanks.
Nothing wrong with them on my end but a few have made a mention of issues they got after using the fix or the update. You don't need quickfix if you install X2 and then the X2a patch. Whenever you see quickfix or hotfix....the Bakers are giving us something to fix something major while they work on the REAL patch. In my opinion based on my use and experience, I say install X2 and then do the update to X2a as X2a addresses what the "quickfix" does and a lot more. -Danny
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 03:54:39
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Bub
jb101
John
Sonar does not need a lot of tweaking. I have or had run almost all DAWs at one time or another. At least those the run on a PC. I can state accurately that Sonar through the years has been at least as stable to all the others and most of the time more stable. X2a is very stable here.
Bub is unhappy with the new Sonar as well as having all sorts of problems with it. I have, and so have others, tried to help him but to no avail. None the less he has come into any thread that is a negative one about X1 or X2. Its his style now. He offers no help or a reason for a problem all he does is bash CW and X1 and X2. Its becoming tiresome.
Some one else will need to post this answer to Bub because he has blocked me.
But if some one is this unhappy with a product it seems to me that the person would find another product that they like and be unhappy there.
In other words its time to give it up and move on Bub.
+ many many many, John.
Bub is not alone in this. Mcq and a few others need to wake up and move on.
It would make them, and us, much more content.
I know I keep saying this, but some dullards never listen - "If you can't hold an adult attitude in front of something, then walk away."
Being child-like is not a bad thing, being childish is. Bub can now put his fingers in his ears and go "Wah wah wah" and block me. This is to be expected.
I miss his old avatar, it so suited him..
I've had nothing but good things to say about X2. I've repeatedly said it works great on my system.
Why don't you big talkers attack Danny? He's got his hand on Ctrl-S all the time now too ... he said so in another thread just the other day that meandered on for about 5 or 6 paragraphs. As a matter of fact ... he's said more bad about Sonar lately than I have.
See ... the difference between me and Danny is, he'll actually come to you two a-hole's houses and beat you in to a bloody pulp, like you deserve. But me, I'll just sit here and talk you to tears. That's why you don't bust his balls like you do mine. You have no spine.
And you call ME spineless? You're a tough guy on the internet, aren't you? If Danny behaved the way you do, I would happily take issue with him. He, as yet, has not shown himself to be as childish as you. I've not seen him carefully go through an entire quoted conversation changing someone's forum name (s****, s****) into something rude. I was absolutely staggered that someone claiming to be an adult went to all that trouble. It says a lot about you. I find it imposable to take you seriously after that. For your own sake, and those around you, it is time to grow up. Unless, of course, you are a six year old pretending to be an adult, in which case you are very naughty and should stop.
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 03:59:13
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Guitarpima
Why bother? He only has 2 posts so he's probably from gearsluts.
Look at his name. He's probably from gearsluts.
as pointed out, a studio down for 7 days?
Hyperbole, or a frustrated noob?
Just because he sounds like he's from gearsluts, doesn't mean we need to act like we are, does it? Not straight away, surely? Maybe we should all move there. My original posts were about benefit of the doubt, innocent 'til proven guilty. Stupid idea, I'm of to gs..
You're right. My apologies to the good people over at GS. I never go there but a while back, it seemed like there was some kind of feud between this forum and GS.
Hi, Guitarpima. It looks like you were right about the OP. He's never been back. I don't frequent gearsluts either. They do seem to be a funny bunch (being diplomatic there).
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 04:04:26
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Don't MAKE me stop this CAR! :)
Back to whatever shred of a possibility that the OP is still engaged in this thread, IF you are still there, there are folks here in the forum that will try to help you resolve any setup or configuration issues you may have.
If you are interested in help with anything, please post as much detail as you can on what these issues are, so that we can try to help.
Can we just collectively stop the nonsense and keep threads on track? That would be great.
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 04:27:57
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Don't MAKE me stop this CAR! :)
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 04:40:25
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Danny Danzi
There was another name that was mentioned....I long for the day that the community wakes up and realizes that dude is one of the most misinformative, misleading, pompous, hurtful, and sarcastic individuals that has ever been on this forum. He wins the Richard Cranium Award every year hands down as well as honorable mention for the "start trouble and run" award. A respected member/drummer from the UK that followed his posts put him in line at every turn for a bit. I never said it, but should have. I salute you for your efforts (you know who you are)....and I wish the forum would have joined your crusade. I would have joined you, but I get too violent and own a home near this guy. Every time I go there...I entertain the thought of paying him a visit just to see if he'd attempt to treat me in person like he has numerous times on this forum. See? I start getting in nut mode....so I really try to stay away from stuff like this. I've been doing good with my anger management. :)
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 04:56:59
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Goodbye Sitemester - hello.......if you want that your DAW incl Sonar works
Sitemester, I wish you a happy new year and that you are able
to give detaiked info´s about your issues . Or do you want to tread this forum as a doormat for your frustration?
If so, I recommend a boxing match with another of these frustrated writer´s here and a mono tape recorder to you !
regards ,Pragi
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 05:04:49
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Sitemester
That is it ! I have had it with Sonar.
7 days with no studio income because of X2 Producer. Nothing but dropouts, ticks, crashes, sudden distortion after countless hours of tweaking and no useful reply from support. X1 wasnt much better but at least it worked for a few hours every day with only a dozen engine stops and a few crashes and a little distortion here and there.
So.... Goodbye... Tomorrow I have to find a new program...
Any suggestions ? I mean GOOD suggestions that works day and night without agony...?
Sure, try Cubase 7 or Samplitude. Great DAW programs like SONAR X2!  But honestly you will get the same problems again. I'm just saying it often come down to bad XP32 tweaks on Windows 7 / Windows 8 x64 system, and S-h-i-t behind the wheels. I don't know but I bet you done all the XP tweaks, disable graphic and set to backgrounds task you found over the internet? No wonder you have problems! Hope it help! Best regards Freddie
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 05:09:54
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Linear Phase
They only say, "Goodbye to Sonar," and whenever they do, they always have, "two posts."
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What is wrong with these people?
Yes, fist POST is always ---"Testing" does it work?  Seconded one is "SONAR sucks!" 
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 05:23:57
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Light blue touchpaper and stand well back!
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 10:21:37
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Bub
I've not seen him carefully go through an entire quoted conversation changing someone's forum name (s****, s****) into something rude. I was absolutely staggered that someone claiming to be an adult went to all that trouble. It says a lot about you. I find it imposable to take you seriously after that.
That was in response to you doing it. Stop playing the victim here dude ... you started that ball rolling ... it's all there in black and white .... It's right here ... http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2718574 Bib
jb101
FastBikerBoy
I have definitely woken up in an alternate universe this morning. Why on earth would a customer be loyal?
You started that ball rolling jb ... if you can't take it, don't start dishing it out. You and several other members have done it before, and honestly, I could care less. I took it as just busting chops ... I certainly didn't (and don't) take it to heart like you're doing. Sheesh. As for Danny ... he's 10 times more vocal about Sonar than I am. He's made it pretty clear it wouldn't take much for him to jump ship. And he's stated repeatedly that he has the money to hop on a plane and fly anywhere to meet someone face to face to have a physical confrontation with them. And somehow I'm the bad guy? He just said a couple days ago that the only reason he got in to troubleshooting computers was because of how badly Sonar ran. I don't see how you can say something much worse than that about Cakewalk, can you? Yet, somehow I'm the bad guy. I don't get it? I've helped far more people here than you ever will just because of your attitude of walking away from a problem. I'm around here because I want to get the product I paid my hard earned money for in proper working condition and to help others whether that be to encourage them to move on, or work around the things that are broken. Far too many people see the same problems to allow people like you and John to come in here and downplay it and tell them it's their system. Far too many. Anyway ... I do apologize. I didn't think it was a big deal about changing the name changing thing that you started and it's obviously made you blow a gasket. That was not my intention. Bub
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:14:51
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Hi again.
First of all thanks for all your replies.
And I agree with you that my post is very sad and not seeking constructive solutions in any way.
I'm a musician more than anything else. I spend my time to be creative for myself and for all the musicians that comes in the studio.
Believe me when I say that I have done more than most musicians would do to make X2(a) work but I want to spend my time on music - not on buffers, drivers, Windows tweaking and all that.
So ... For those of you That knows a lot about it this is my setup:
Dell XPS Studio PC, i7, 3 GHz, 12 Gb RAM, with a clean installation of Windows 7 x64. Newwork adaptor is disabled in BIOS along with the built-in soundcard. For this maschine I use 2 x 28" monitor running in 1920 x 1200 pixs.
Also for this studio I use the Allen & Heath ZED R16 firewire mixer with the latest driver and matching firmware.
After the clean install of Win 7, all of Dells own applications and tools was gone and the Non relevant tasks are set to manual start and are inactive when Sonar runs. there is no antivirus.
There are no other programs running on the pc exept Powerdirector for video editing.
On top of the clean Win installation X2 was installed from the optional CD. The installation went fine. After the installation X2 was launched for the tests and so on, rebooted and X2a was installed.
Then the countles modules, instruments and patches was installed. All in Admin mode and with no breakdowns.
Then the trouble began starting with countless dropouts. I went through the entire website and this forum and tried systematically every possibility one at the time going back to the previous settings as soon as the latest setting was changed - you know how time consuming this is... Right ?
I have consulted all the Cakewalk documentation including the reccomandations in the 9 hour long video.....
Just when I thought I had it after 20 miuttes of recording and playback Sonar went into a distortion hell almost ruining my Adams monitors.
This let me to believe that there was something wrong with the firewire card in either the mixer or the pc but a change with the simalar mixer in studio 2 and a new firewire card in this Dell changed nothing.
As I said I like to spend time on music.
However narrow minded it might seem I expect my daw software to behave as it is supposed to. I dont mind spending 15 minuttes tweaking latency and buffers for the driver and harddrives - but then I expect results and getting back to what its al about: creating and recording
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:19:22
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Continued... And by the way... This pc is one of 3 - the two others are installed with 8.5x and X1 ( which is not too hot either ) So its not entirely true that the entire studio has stopped... Sorry - but I was very.... I mea VERY upset.... So thank you to you all for participating. I fully understand you who thought I was very strange. Best regards from Denmark Sitemester = Bruno
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:25:18
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Damn, dude. How come you didn't post that a little sooner?
Look at what these guys did in your absence.
Seriously disappointed with some of the posts here.
I'm about to go out so I'll have to look at all that when I get back home but hopefully some of the other guys can get stuff sorted out for you. Yes Sonar can be quirky but with a little bit of effort and tweaks you should be able to get it running well. Personally though I think you might be better without the "a" patch. It seems to be screwing up a lot of people's systems. X2 build 306 worked pretty well for me and I just applied the Quick Fix last week and things seem to be fine.
Cheers.
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:38:01
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Yeah.... Sorry.... Seems like there was some history that I wasnt aware of.... Maybe time difference play a part as Denmark is 6-8 hours before so i have been sleeping and then working for 10 hours before getting back....
As i wrote - I understand the ones that got annoyed and i'm sorry..
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:39:32
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Beepster
Seriously disappointed with some of the posts here.
That's a big 10-4 Rubber Ducky.  Personally though I think you might be better without the "a" patch. It seems to be screwing up a lot of people's systems. X2 build 306 worked pretty well for me and I just applied the Quick Fix last week and things seem to be fine.
I've been running X2 really well and I'm not going to install the 'a' patch. I did see a lot of problems until I installed the Quick Fix so I'm kind of blown away that you got by so long without it! That's great though! I didn't even install X2 when I bought it to be honest. I waited for the first patch or Quick Fix, whichever came first, and it ended up being the Quick Fix. I installed it and used it and saw some flaky behavior then I installed the Quick Fix and it's been working like a charm for the way I use it. Not saying there aren't things still messed up, I just don't go in those area's of the program. For example, all these Staff View and PRV view problems I've been reading about. I don't get in to those area's much.
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:45:32
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im a lot like bub where i only use the patch if i need it.
but ive been getting more adventurous as of late and making a system image and trying it out.
this last patch had some pretty cool features in there.
im pretty happy with my sonar expeience lately.
bub glad to see your having good luck as well :)
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:48:47
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Sitemester
That is it ! I have had it with Sonar.
7 days with no studio income because of X2 Producer. Nothing but dropouts, ticks, crashes, sudden distortion after countless hours of tweaking and no useful reply from support. X1 wasnt much better but at least it worked for a few hours every day with only a dozen engine stops and a few crashes and a little distortion here and there.
So.... Goodbye... Tomorrow I have to find a new program...
Any suggestions ? I mean GOOD suggestions that works day and night without agony...?
sorry if i didnt read all these posts but,i see you have 2 SATA hard drives,each one is 1 t.b. sonar isnt installed on one of these huge hard drives is it? thats a big hard drive to to ask for instant recall on all sectors. its great for storing projects and librarys but think about installing your OS and sonar on something smaller like a 500gb or less.
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:50:04
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I had a few minor problems with build 306 but it seemed to run better than X1d so I was happy. I don't think Sonar will ever run perfectly but what DAW does? There are probably alternatives that might be more stable but they cost WAY more and don't do as much (at least from my research) so really... it's a situation where you have to weigh the pros and the cons and make the decision that works best for you. I just don't understand the fighting over stuff like this. It's just a piece of software. People have far more value than a pile of bits and bytes.
Meh. Maybe I just haven't hit my bitter phase yet. ;-p
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:55:07
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Sitemester
Hi again.
First of all thanks for all your replies.
And I agree with you that my post is very sad and not seeking constructive solutions in any way.
I'm a musician more than anything else. I spend my time to be creative for myself and for all the musicians that comes in the studio.
Believe me when I say that I have done more than most musicians would do to make X2(a) work but I want to spend my time on music - not on buffers, drivers, Windows tweaking and all that.
So ... For those of you That knows a lot about it this is my setup:
Dell XPS Studio PC, i7, 3 GHz, 12 Gb RAM, with a clean installation of Windows 7 x64. Newwork adaptor is disabled in BIOS along with the built-in soundcard. For this maschine I use 2 x 28" monitor running in 1920 x 1200 pixs.
Also for this studio I use the Allen & Heath ZED R16 firewire mixer with the latest driver and matching firmware.
After the clean install of Win 7, all of Dells own applications and tools was gone and the Non relevant tasks are set to manual start and are inactive when Sonar runs. there is no antivirus.
There are no other programs running on the pc exept Powerdirector for video editing.
On top of the clean Win installation X2 was installed from the optional CD. The installation went fine. After the installation X2 was launched for the tests and so on, rebooted and X2a was installed.
Then the countles modules, instruments and patches was installed. All in Admin mode and with no breakdowns.
Then the trouble began starting with countless dropouts. I went through the entire website and this forum and tried systematically every possibility one at the time going back to the previous settings as soon as the latest setting was changed - you know how time consuming this is... Right ?
I have consulted all the Cakewalk documentation including the reccomandations in the 9 hour long video.....
Just when I thought I had it after 20 miuttes of recording and playback Sonar went into a distortion hell almost ruining my Adams monitors.
This let me to believe that there was something wrong with the firewire card in either the mixer or the pc but a change with the simalar mixer in studio 2 and a new firewire card in this Dell changed nothing.
As I said I like to spend time on music.
However narrow minded it might seem I expect my daw software to behave as it is supposed to. I dont mind spending 15 minuttes tweaking latency and buffers for the driver and harddrives - but then I expect results and getting back to what its al about: creating and recording
Glad you came back!  Are you running a TI Chipset for Firewire? I am not familiar with Powerdirector for video so I do not know what it installs. It would not be the first time video editing software caused problems. Not saying it is or isn't. I would have preferred to get audio working first before installing other software. Be sure to disable windows sounds. Any wifi or Bluetooth should also be disabled. Have you run dpclat.exe?
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 11:57:00
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Hi Charlie
Thank you for spending your time for me.
The drive that cantains Windows and Sonar i a partition that is around 1 Tb. It hasnt changed since this pc ran 8.xx and X1
Rgds Bruno
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Re:Goodbye Sonar - hello.......anything that works
2013/01/07 12:01:20
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AS long as your drives are healthy there is no problem with them.
You do not want the operating drive to also be the audio drive.
I have several HD's on my system, but only 2 drives are required.
Main drive is a 1T which has the operating system, all programs, and samples.
Any other drive is used for projects and audio streaming.
Under Device manager are there any warnings?
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