kc2ine 
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you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
I mean come on, how cakewalk can release such crash-able application, they have no money for QA or not giving a damn? Being in IT myself I don't get it because there are techniques since some time already to prevent application crash even in case fatal error. Application should gracefully close failing module, write to log or display message and continue. I mean how fatal can it be? 
post edited by kc2ine - 2011/08/28 16:01:40
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 00:12:30
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Which crashes are u referring to?
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 00:13:01
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Sorry to hear that kc. They are finally getting the kinks worked out and X1 isn't that bad at all now.
I've never seen a problem with it showing fatal error's. That sounds like bad RAM or a rogue plug-in maybe? I've seen Teleport Server crashes (Bitbridge) when running x64 with x86 plug-in's, but that's been the case long before X1.
Shoot us some details and maybe we can try to help before you throw in the towel.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 00:21:40
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kc2ine: works very well here, sounds more like you talkd your self outa it. if there was a major issue,dont you think id be telling ppls
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 00:37:19
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There are always going to be people that have problem, especially since a computers are different, and are used differently.
I just downloaded and it is darn near flawless for me so far. Two projects knocked out and no issues so far. I still have the download, and have not even updated with the patch yet.
If you go to Reaper forum, Cubase forum, or Logic forum, there are folks there that are unhappy and have nothing but complaints. I have at least ten online friend who use Sonar, and they are virtually trouble free.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 00:44:52
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computers are different, and are used differently.. I'd say that's 99% of the issues.. cause on a off line hard disk recorder, it works
realy good, there is no crashes ever!!! there cant be..
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 00:51:42
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Robomusic
There are always going to be people that have problem, especially since a computers are different, and are used differently.
I just downloaded and it is darn near flawless for me so far. Two projects knocked out and no issues so far. I still have the download, and have not even updated with the patch yet.
If you go to Reaper forum, Cubase forum, or Logic forum, there are folks there that are unhappy and have nothing but complaints. I have at least ten online friend who use Sonar, and they are virtually trouble free.
what do you mean trouble free? application can be as good as no other but if crashes all of the sudden that's not acceptable for todays standards. People can be unhappy about features etc but that's ok, they always will be. Something tells me Logic or PT is more stable, am I right? BTW even my Sonar 8.5 crashed today during playing with cakewalk plugins when I had only 4 tracks loaded...come on.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 00:54:37
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BTW even my Sonar 8.5 crashed today..
with all due respect you have system issues..keep in mind I cant
see every system, but here ..NO way..
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 00:55:15
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What do you're 8.5 crashes have to do with the X1 forum? Skype Cakewalk HQ and request assistance.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 01:48:18
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Bub
Sorry to hear that kc. They are finally getting the kinks worked out and X1 isn't that bad at all now.
I've never seen a problem with it showing fatal error's. That sounds like bad RAM or a rogue plug-in maybe? I've seen Teleport Server crashes (Bitbridge) when running x64 with x86 plug-in's, but that's been the case long before X1.
Shoot us some details and maybe we can try to help before you throw in the towel.
Bub
did you notice the OP's running SONAR 8.5 LE which would have come with one of his Cakewalk hardware devices. He's also running a MacBook Pro and Cakewalk aren't supporting SONAR running under the more recent Bootcamp versions anymore (as far as I'm aware).
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 01:57:57
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Bub
Sorry to hear that kc. They are finally getting the kinks worked out and X1 isn't that bad at all now.
I've never seen a problem with it showing fatal error's. That sounds like bad RAM or a rogue plug-in maybe? I've seen Teleport Server crashes (Bitbridge) when running x64 with x86 plug-in's, but that's been the case long before X1.
Shoot us some details and maybe we can try to help before you throw in the towel.
Bub
did you notice the OP's running SONAR 8.5 LE which would have come with one of his Cakewalk hardware devices. He's also running a MacBook Pro and Cakewalk aren't supporting SONAR running under the more recent Bootcamp versions anymore (as far as I'm aware).
FYI I have Sony VAIO running Sonar VS and 8.5 LE if you reed my signature well, Macbook is running only garage band as for now but it may run logic or PT soon if I'll experience more Sonar crashes. Besides what these have to do with what I posted? If older Sonar crashes in such simple projects and I see also now new Sonar X1 crashes that is very bad indication to me about cakewalk.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 03:29:03
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Rock solid here. I can fully understand being scared off by these forums though. Anyone reading this forum would think X1 was bug ridden at best and unusable at worst. Yes there are problems but I'd estimate many of those are user error or system troubles.
Forums by their nature tend to have a high percentage of bad to good news stories and there's plenty here who seem to have an axe to grind.
Have you tried the demo? If not at least you'll never know what you're missing. Good luck with whatever direction you choose.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 06:02:31
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Classic... been using X1 for a new EP for a band and it has not skipped a beat. I'd possibly go as far as to say that it is creating more confidence than I actually had with 8.5.3. I can sit with the 'clients' (don't you love that term sometimes  ) in front of the PC and feel confident about no lock ups etc... haven't had that for some time previously so "+1 for X1". Should that be a sticker maybe? One key is having a 'sorted' PC and keeping things in their natural element... I'm sticking with 64 bit everything with this project and it's been very solid. Cheers!
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 06:59:47
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application can be as good as no other but if crashes all of the sudden that's not acceptable for todays standards kc2ine you are full of sh*t man!! everything crashes.. there is no system or software on this planet that is free of conflict. i have crashed in Logic and PT. i worked in commercial studios where you can eat off the floor...and something always goes wrong day in and day out. clients are not gonna walk out if you BSOD..its no big deal in this day and age. there is always backup and recourse..
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 08:15:36
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Rock solid here. I can fully understand being scared off by these forums though. Anyone reading this forum would think X1 was bug ridden at best and unusable at worst. Yes there are problems but I'd estimate many of those are user error or system troubles.
Forums by their nature tend to have a high percentage of bad to good news stories and there's plenty here who seem to have an axe to grind.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 08:27:03
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Great experience here with X1B and X1C. Regret you're having trouble. Mine is also trouble free...very stable. Have you run any other DAWs successfully on that machine?
post edited by doncolga - 2011/08/28 08:31:35
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kc2ine
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 09:24:19
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aleef
application can be as good as no other but if crashes all of the sudden that's not acceptable for todays standards
kc2ine you are full of sh*t man!!
everything crashes.. there is no system or software on this planet that is free of conflict. i have crashed in Logic and PT. i worked in commercial studios where you can eat off the floor...and something always goes wrong day in and day out. clients are not gonna walk out if you BSOD..its no big deal in this day and age. there is always backup and recourse..
not anymore, i went to restroom twice yesterday. Not everything crashes, in fact I didn't have any app crash since long time to a point I forgot how crash looks like, until I install Sonar. Besides this post is not about my crash but about others posted on X1 forum.
post edited by kc2ine - 2011/08/28 09:25:46
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 09:28:20
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doncolga
Great experience here with X1B and X1C. Regret you're having trouble. Mine is also trouble free...very stable. Have you run any other DAWs successfully on that machine?
You mean you have never had a X1 crashed? I have another Sonar VS which so far is very stable because I used it few times only 
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 09:35:23
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You mean you have never had a X1 crashed?
I've been running X1 since the day it came out. I use it several hours per day almost everyday. In that time I have had one crash when experimenting with cutting & pasting buss envelopes not long after X1 came out. I had a sequence of crashes last week when trying to pin a bug down. Turned out that was caused by having a screenset with a snap to of 0 ticks. Apart from that it's rock solid, but hey you believe what you want - your loss......
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 09:42:10
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Similar record for me. I also use it nearly every day, and many of my sessions are long ones. I installed when X1a came out, so started from there in early Jan. Have had two crashes since then, both of which were the teleport server going down with an instance of BFD2.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 09:42:45
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The thing is, with a trial version available, there is no sensible reason to base your decision of what anyone here says, pro or con.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 09:52:53
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kc2ine
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 10:08:24
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John T
The thing is, with a trial version available, there is no sensible reason to base your decision of what anyone here says, pro or con.
So when Copernicus discovered that earth revolves around the sun I should check it for myself? Other forum members post are valuable resources in evaluating the product. I wish we had poll available on this forum, to have some statistics on crashes and such, that would give a whole picture. Learning new software takes some time so I want to be sure I won't waste my time like Mick for instance and realize after 8 months I have to switch to other DAW. Anyway I still trying this software in fact haven't slept for 3 straight night to work with it so for now you see only my concerns here.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 10:17:08
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I wish we had poll available on this forum, to have some statistics on crashes and such, that would give a whole picture. Learning new software takes some time so I want to be sure I won't waste my time like Mick for instance and realize after 8 months I have to switch to other DAW. Anyway I still trying this software in fact haven't slept for 3 straight night to work with it so for now you see only my concerns here. May I ask why you are posting? You don't want help. You are not going to get X1. As far as I can see you don't have it anyway. So why are you posting? It can't be that you want everyone to know that you don't use X1? I know you are important but do you really think any one cares?
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 10:28:51
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I think Freddie H got it.... 
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 10:30:28
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John
May I ask why you are posting?
You don't want help.
You are not going to get X1.
As far as I can see you don't have it anyway.
So why are you posting?
It can't be that you want everyone to know that you don't use X1?
I know you are important but do you really think any one cares?
May I ask you why are you still here? almost 20 thousands posts and you still didn't figure out how Sonar works? that's promising... p.s. get a peel pal.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 10:32:04
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John
May I ask why you are posting?
You don't want help.
You are not going to get X1.
As far as I can see you don't have it anyway.
So why are you posting?
It can't be that you want everyone to know that you don't use X1?
I know you are important but do you really think any one cares?
May I ask you why are you still here?
almost 20 thousands posts and you still didn't figure out how Sonar works?
that's promising...
p.s.
get a peel pal.
I'm here to learn and help. And you?
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 10:42:50
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That's typical on forums, when somebody say something bad about forum subject everybody jump and call him a troll.
Same in kindergarten playground, it's not good idea to criticize someone else toy...
Was hoping for more pro and mature people here.
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Re:you guys convinced me not to upgrade to Sonar X1
2011/08/28 10:45:00
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 Look at kc2ine's avatar.. That says it all!
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