Helpful Reply1/3/17 Update: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/21 08:20:32 (permalink)
+1, Thanks for the 12/20 update.  Its great to have this info!

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/21 17:54:44 (permalink)
Just wanted to add that the vst scan is also freezing up on the Waves Studio rack mono
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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/21 18:17:45 (permalink)
not here, all my waves stuff including all studio rack give no issues
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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/21 18:19:43 (permalink)
Weird...
I have a bunch of other waves stuff which all seems fine. I can even watch the scan for the StudioRack Stereo plug complete.
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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/21 18:30:30 (permalink)
Well, suddenly (having done nothing) I ran another VST scan and it actually completed for the first time in 3 weeks. I really didn't even do ANYTHING (no computer reset or anything) just tried running it again and it completed the scan. I can even open the projects with CA2A that I have been trying to work on. I really hope this stays working!!! Fingers crossed.
 
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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/21 23:52:38 (permalink)
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Well, suddenly (having done nothing) I ran another VST scan and it actually completed for the first time in 3 weeks. I really didn't even do ANYTHING (no computer reset or anything) just tried running it again and it completed the scan. I can even open the projects with CA2A that I have been trying to work on. I really hope this stays working!!! Fingers crossed.
 




Check out my post near the bottom of page 5. Monday things were messed up as usual - runtime errors. Tuesday and today I'm getting no runtime errors. My problems started just like yours 3 weeks ago. I've used only 2016.09. Did you try the VST scan on Tuesday? It looks like the fix is something MS and Cakewalk are working on and has more to do with the internet.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/22 00:16:41 (permalink)
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Shortly after I typed my message here, Windows popped open a message that it would need to schedule a restart. I closed open applications, rebooted, watched the messages about Windows installing yet another update, then watched the reboot happen. Just for fun I tried opening Sonar again. It opened normally. No issue with VST scan. No issue with missing audio device. I opened my recent project to find it working just fine again. Here's hoping this new update actually patched the underlying issue (although I understand the issues have been inconsistent for others, so I won't celebrate too strongly until the improvement clearly persists).

 
I can confirm the new cumulative update (KB3201845) fixed the Plugin Scanning issues for me.


Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems (KB3201845) did not solve the scan issue.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/22 00:17:58 (permalink)
I don't think it freezes on certain plugins. It hangs randomly and can hang on any plugin. It just does.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/22 15:44:34 (permalink)
Yep, Same experience here. On my system Sonar has been consistently stable throughout the sonar updates as well as all the Windows updates. There must be a common denominator causing these issues on some machines and not on others.
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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/23 01:25:43 (permalink)
Installed update 2016 12. The scan completed once and found 517 new plugins out of 700 something. I did not install all those "new" plugins. Also it completed scan last night before 2016 12 once but the next time froze again. Strange thing- the... what you call this vertical line that runs during playback? That thing keeps stumble and hang while VST Scan is running, like if it was waiting for a plugin to be scanned. I have many plugins, so it takes long time of hangs and freezes of that vertical "runner" before it gets stable when scan is completed. And I get Audio Dropouts at rest while idle- new finding. Had them occasionally but now it regular- couple times per few hours.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/23 09:06:46 (permalink)
I am still working with 2016.09 and wanted to update. I don't know what to do since I don't experience any particular issue.
But I've just had a crash with Excel, which is very unusual. I've found this article (don't know if it's related to our Cakewalk problem):
http://windowsreport.com/...s-10-kb3201845-issues/

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/23 09:16:36 (permalink)
if you want to check possible internet issue, you can use fiddler that will show you internet traffic and any errors there might be... i previously suggested that it may be some "phoning home" issue but that idea didn't gain any traction... fwiw, i don't use ccc and haven;t had any of the reported issues... but i'd still really like to know what it was!

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/23 21:47:01 (permalink)
My Sonar Platinum 64bit is locking up when I load GForce's Minimonstra, but it also irradically locks up/freezes when loading other vsti's.  I have tried the workaround as posted on page one of this thread [using Compatibility set to Win 8 and runing the Resource Monitor]; however, Sonar freezes most of the time when I load Minimonstra.  Sometimes, I can click on the resource monitor and get Sonar to unfreeze, but it is not consistent in its behavior.  BTW, I have been using Cakewalk since the early 1990s and Sonar since it was introduced.  I have never had this trouble before with Sonar--it is my primary DAW.  
 
FYI-I also tested the same synth and others with Studio One 3 and Cubase 8.5 and there are no problems running Minimonstra or other synths with those DAWS.
 
I trust, and I mean that, I beleive that the Bakers will figure all of the problems out soon and get us back up and stable again soon.  I just wanted to report here that I too was having instability problems (for the first time in years).




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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/24 07:16:11 (permalink)
just tried minimonsta in .11 but cannot repro your issue

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/24 12:27:27 (permalink)
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if you want to check possible internet issue, you can use fiddler that will show you internet traffic and any errors there might be... i previously suggested that it may be some "phoning home" issue but that idea didn't gain any traction... fwiw, i don't use ccc and haven;t had any of the reported issues... but i'd still really like to know what it was!




Fiddler looks like a great tool. I wish I'd tried it while the runtime errors were going on. It's too late now, but if they resurface I'll give it  a whirl - thanks.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/24 14:34:51 (permalink)
Like a few others have mentioned, a few days ago my random crashes suddenly stopped, and I have used Sonar for hours upon hours without issue.
 
However, it began crashing again today.  I'm nearly at my wits' end.
 
It's important to note that this isn't just a Win10 issue; it's affecting Win8/8.1 users as well. (Both OS's go through some of the same updates and use some of the same coding, for what that's worth.)
 
I gave it several weeks, but I'm starting to get really pissed off now, not going to lie.  I've paid $40/month for nearly a year for Sonar, and have been a loyal Cake customer for 10 years (even though I'm PT and Logic certified)....and in the middle of recording an album, the thing crashes frequently and randomly.  It's maddening.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/24 14:47:08 (permalink)
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Like a few others have mentioned, a few days ago my random crashes suddenly stopped, and I have used Sonar for hours upon hours without issue.
 
However, it began crashing again today.  I'm nearly at my wits' end.
 
It's important to note that this isn't just a Win10 issue; it's affecting Win8/8.1 users as well. (Both OS's go through some of the same updates and use some of the same coding, for what that's worth.)
 
I gave it several weeks, but I'm starting to get really pissed off now, not going to lie.  I've paid $40/month for nearly a year for Sonar, and have been a loyal Cake customer for 10 years (even though I'm PT and Logic certified)....and in the middle of recording an album, the thing crashes frequently and randomly.  It's maddening.




Since this has started I've been getting runtime errors every single time I open Plat, not random. It all stopped tuesday and is still ok today for me. I've only used 2016.09 for a few months, been leery of 2016.11 and haven't used it.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/24 15:11:57 (permalink)
Not a day goes by without a problem.  Yesterday a I started a simple project.  3 tracks.  I went to do a punch in and Sonar actually recorded my data off time   Like 2 beats off approximately.  Just crazy.  I am a long time sonar user and have bought sonar 7, 8, X and now platinum.   I love the program but jeez./......

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/24 15:32:51 (permalink)
Wow, sorry to hear some people are still having major problems. I am still having a very small problem, but really so small I'm not to worried about it right now. In track manager some midi tracks won't stay hidden. Again compared to the problems I was having, I'm ok with this.
 
 Hope things get better for everybody.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/26 13:47:22 (permalink)
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Wow, sorry to hear some people are still having major problems. I am still having a very small problem, but really so small I'm not to worried about it right now. In track manager some midi tracks won't stay hidden. Again compared to the problems I was having, I'm ok with this.
 
 Hope things get better for everybody.


Just throwing this out there - if you hide tracks into a locked screenset they will be unhidden the next time you open the project

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/26 16:51:35 (permalink)
Don't understand, there are several hidden tracks but only a couple become unhiddden next time I open the project.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/27 07:47:20 (permalink)
@abacab:
 
Microsoft has stopped 'Patch Tuesday' in October, in favour of a monthly update:
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/16/farewell_patch_tuesday_from_october_ms_patches_will_be_pushed_out_monthly/
 
 
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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/27 08:51:02 (permalink)
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Don't understand, there are several hidden tracks but only a couple become unhiddden next time I open the project.

The question is still valid - are you hiding tracks when you have a locked screenset?

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/27 09:29:11 (permalink)
Never mind sir!

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/27 09:56:33 (permalink)
Still having a nightmare, deleting AD2 drums crashing and inserting some plugins and I'm using latest December update. Tried running resource monitor and no better!
last windows update was KB3206632 btw
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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/27 10:51:06 (permalink)
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@abacab:
 
Microsoft has stopped 'Patch Tuesday' in October, in favour of a monthly update:
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/16/farewell_patch_tuesday_from_october_ms_patches_will_be_pushed_out_monthly/
 
 




hmmmm Many of us have reported that last tuesday all of a sudden we stopped getting the runtime errors without us doing anything. I wonder if MS does some secret forced updates to all of our computers on tuesday once a month along with these other updates?

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/27 11:09:12 (permalink)
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@abacab:
 
Microsoft has stopped 'Patch Tuesday' in October, in favour of a monthly update:
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/16/farewell_patch_tuesday_from_october_ms_patches_will_be_pushed_out_monthly/
 
 



That's really off-topic as this thread is about Windows 10 updates.  The article addresses the change to the update model for Win 7 & 8.1.  New patches are still rolled out on the second Tuesday of each month, using monthly rollups.  Microsoft has decided to treat Win 7 & 8.1 more like Win 10 in this regard ...
 
If you read that article there is a link directly to the Microsoft announcement:
"Further simplifying servicing models for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1"
https://blogs.technet.mic...ows-7-and-windows-8-1/

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/27 11:15:53 (permalink)
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@abacab:
 
Microsoft has stopped 'Patch Tuesday' in October, in favour of a monthly update:
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/16/farewell_patch_tuesday_from_october_ms_patches_will_be_pushed_out_monthly/
 
 




hmmmm Many of us have reported that last tuesday all of a sudden we stopped getting the runtime errors without us doing anything. I wonder if MS does some secret forced updates to all of our computers on tuesday once a month along with these other updates?


I have issues that supports this. I lost use of the touch pad on my laptop around then. Am not able to get it back. This happened sometime after this last summer as well. Got corrected at a later date / Win update.
All the best.

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/27 11:22:31 (permalink)
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hmmmm Many of us have reported that last tuesday all of a sudden we stopped getting the runtime errors without us doing anything. I wonder if MS does some secret forced updates to all of our computers on tuesday once a month along with these other updates?


I have issues that supports this. I lost use of the touch pad on my laptop around then. Am not able to get it back. This happened sometime after this last summer as well. Got corrected at a later date / Win update.
All the best.




I recall that Microsoft had the ability to update the Windows Updater in past versions of Windows, without any user intervention.  I wonder what they may be able to do in the new, improved Windows 10, with all that telemetry and stuff? 

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Re: Instability with certain Cakewalk plugins after recent Windows 10 updates 2016/12/27 12:03:45 (permalink)
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I have issues that supports this. I lost use of the touch pad on my laptop around then. Am not able to get it back. This happened sometime after this last summer as well. Got corrected at a later date / Win update.
All the best.




i lost my touchpad after going from 8.1 --> 10, and then couldn't get "disabled" to stick (as i use a mouse), and like you this got foxed at some point via an update... i do think that all windows updates are visible via cp though, i don't think they're backdooring us with stuff

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