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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/02/01 20:50:52 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: geoman
Can someone tell what the difference is between the Alesis Multimix 16 USB 2.0 vs the firewire model ? Any recommendations as to which one is preferable?

USB 2.0 is the newer model. It can do up to 88.2k and 96k sample rates. The FW version only does 44.1k and 48k rates. The drivers for the FW version can be buggy on some systems (as seen in this and other threads). I haven't seen anyone comment on the USB driver quality yet. The FW version has SPDIF output, but the USB doesn't appear to have one based on the pictures. The devices seem the same in almost every other aspect.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/02/02 16:56:57 (permalink)
The difference is speed and size. The FW is going to handle way more channels at once into your pc. I think the usb only handles like 2-4 channels at once. With the fw , you get all the channels at once.

Think of it as a comparison to this- DSL vs. Cable, same function but dsl doesnt have the bandwith. Same goes for usb vs firewire.

If your going to do alot of tracking, Id go for the FW
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/02/02 17:03:49 (permalink)
The difference is speed and size. The FW is going to handle way more channels at once into your pc. I think the usb only handles like 2-4 channels at once. With the fw , you get all the channels at once.

Previous Alesis mixers used USB 1 for the interface and only had 2 in/2 out capability. The new Multimix USB 2.0 models use the faster version of USB (up to 480 mbps) and will have zero problems handling 16 channels in/2 channels out. There are other quality multi-channel audio interfaces using USB2 on the market as well.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/02/07 07:38:32 (permalink)
Hello!

There´s a new driver out right now (January 2008) for the firewire-model.
Maybe some known problems are solved, I never had any!

Driver-Download

I only know the link to the german homepage, sorry!

Have a nice day!
post edited by Musikus - 2008/02/07 07:39:25
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/02/12 06:39:24 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: altima_boy_2001

The difference is speed and size. The FW is going to handle way more channels at once into your pc. I think the usb only handles like 2-4 channels at once. With the fw , you get all the channels at once.

Previous Alesis mixers used USB 1 for the interface and only had 2 in/2 out capability. The new Multimix USB 2.0 models use the faster version of USB (up to 480 mbps) and will have zero problems handling 16 channels in/2 channels out. There are other quality multi-channel audio interfaces using USB2 on the market as well.




FW vs USB 2.0 another article
FW vs. USB
Firewire vs. USB

Although USB 2.0 is rated at 480 mbps and FW is 400 mbps when you look at how they handle data, the FW comes out on top every time. Looks can be decieving
post edited by unkleMartinD28 - 2008/02/12 06:56:44
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/02/12 12:43:57 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: unkleMartinD28

Although USB 2.0 is rated at 480 mbps and FW is 400 mbps when you look at how they handle data, the FW comes out on top every time. Looks can be decieving


Nevertheless, the USB 2.0 will be fast enough. 'Enough' being the key word here. Who cares which is faster in theory?

Sven





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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/02/13 10:53:09 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: SvenArne


ORIGINAL: unkleMartinD28

Although USB 2.0 is rated at 480 mbps and FW is 400 mbps when you look at how they handle data, the FW comes out on top every time. Looks can be decieving


Nevertheless, the USB 2.0 will be fast enough. 'Enough' being the key word here. Who cares which is faster in theory?

Sven


I can understand your point of USB 2.0 being "enough" but Both mixers are msrp $599 US, why wouldn't you take the better performer?
Its a proven fact that FW is 30+ percent faster in data transfer in both directions, it's not theory. Look it up. A majority of todays interfaces are FW and thats not by mistake.

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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/04/18 01:49:27 (permalink)
I have a Alesis Multimix 12 Firewire, and I installed to Windows Vista Business with new drivers from web. Instalation is ok, because ALESIS Control Panel is empty, i cannot change any parameters there. Anybody has this problem?
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/05/23 22:00:48 (permalink)
Yes i have tohse problems!!!
Drivers installed fine, but when i try to install firmware, the installes kjust says " waiting for device", and nothing happens forever!

I try running Waves GTR3 , or Sonar, i get " initialising audio device failed" (or something along those lines)

I have Multimix 12, running on XP SP2, dual core cpu, 3gb of ram, 1tb of hd space.

Any suggestions before i throw this mother outta window?
Thank you
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/05/30 06:33:18 (permalink)
Has anyone updated the MultiMix 16 FW to the March 2008 driver AND firmware update?

I did. Now I'm having all kinds of intermittent problems. Just thought I'd see if I'm the only one.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/05/30 09:46:19 (permalink)
I tried them briefly. Could not get a reliable latency. Result was that every time hitting play might crackle or not, unless raising the buffer size. Then sometimes the latency was too high. Confirmed that by running the CEntrance utility and found that latency varied by several ms on each measurement. Also found that sometimes using the CEntrance utility causes a system crash. So I went back to the previous drivers.
Bill B.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/05/30 12:24:14 (permalink)
That's EXACTLY the problem I'm having! Whew, I'm glad it's not just me.

So, I don't know that there's a way for me to back out the firmware on the board. It sounds like you were able to just go back to an earlier set of software (windows) drivers to solve the problem. What version are you running now?

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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/05/30 12:38:55 (permalink)
The firmware version has not changed for a long time, so don't worry about it. The drivers I use were published January, 2008. I use ASIO; the WDM drivers blue-screen for me.

Would you please report your findings to Alesis? And also to rgriffith@numark.com who was said by Jim Norman of Alesis (in posts on Harmony Central about the io26 and io14, which use the same drivers) to be a very helpful guy for Alesis tech support. Best to tell them your detailed operations and results.
Bill B
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/05/30 19:29:17 (permalink)
I'll let them know. The website doesn't have earlier versions of the drivers. Is there any way I could get the January set from you?
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/05/30 22:23:55 (permalink)
I'll send them to you. Hope they bring you better luck! Perhaps you could give Alesis an extra zinger by asking them to post their older drivers. They have done it for the io14 & 26.
Bill B.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/06/04 16:23:29 (permalink)
Hi,

New user here...but I think for the most recent post it would be useful for the people who do have the multimix firewire working to post their specs(with firewire hardware/drivers) and driver versions for alesis. I've heard that older drivers/firmware might work better but don't know where to get those files. This way people can quickly see if someone who has the same system was able to fix their problem...potentially ruling out miscellaneous problems without having to sort through all 9 pages. I read about 6 and then decided to ask for this, if it's not too much trouble.

I am at the stage of deciding which driver to try and install again to get this thing to work. I've cleaned off all alesis programs/drivers and updated my computer. Previously my computer has recognized the mixer, but not allowed me to make the mixer my sound card...don't know why. I have gotten my mixer to work on a another older computer, though. Has anyone tried using a SIIG firewire expresscard? Maybe, that's the problem; however, my computer can see the firewire card and mixer.

I have:
Dell Inspiron 1501
AMD turion 64x2 1.8Ghz
2 GB Ram
Win Xp SP2
SIIG Firewire ExpressCard

Any help would be appreciated,
Alex
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/06/04 16:53:56 (permalink)
To use it as a regular Windows sound card (WDM) you need "system sounds" to be "enabled" in the Alesis control panel. See this post.

Bill B.

W10 pro, Sonar Platinum, Alesis Multimix 16 FW, MOTU Express 128, Gigabyte Z370 HD3P, i7 8700K, 16 Gigs, ssd + 2 X 2T disks, D50-MEX, JV80, A90EX, M1REX
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/06/08 08:42:54 (permalink)
I too have a problem with the newest driver, same as buckethead777. The driver installs correctly, Windows discovers a device called "Alesis Firewire" (it detected "Multimix ....." devices with the old driver versions). The firmware updater says "waiting for device", the Alesis Control Panel is empty. I'm using a 2005 driver from the CD, but I have sound quality problems with that version. Of course Alesis don't answer my emails. Should have bought a MOTU or a Mackie.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/06/23 06:58:43 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: bvideo
[The website doesn't have earlier versions of the drivers. Is there any way I could get the January set from you?

I'll send them to you. Hope they bring you better luck! Perhaps you could give Alesis an extra zinger by asking them to post their older drivers. They have done it for the io14 & 26.
Bill B.

Anywhere I can download the January drivers? You can email me through my Sonar profile.

I also sent email to Alesis through their website...
post edited by altima_boy_2001 - 2008/06/23 06:59:03

You can use me as your eSoundz referral (altima_boy_2001).
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/06/23 08:28:19 (permalink)
Hi guys, this is response to reply I got on digifreq in the soundcard forum for alesis multi 8 firewire. thanks beagle for this link. I havent been here for a while. If I remember right I didn't have the problem I described with My alienware area 51 and XP home.But I do have the problem with Vista premium. although I did have to power off the multimix 8 and back on sometimes. I got this Emachines desktop and added another HD and brought the ram up to the max 2 gigs. and installed a firewire card from worst buy. In device manager its called a "AGERE" I wonder if thats the problem? The alesis site names "adaptec" and some other one for compatible ones. This is my post on digifreq. http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/discuss/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2391

In Vista I did have to disable the onboard realtech card to use the alesis. And now as stated in digifreq the install doesnt seem to complete but the alesis shows up on desktop and in sonar it shows up in audio options but it doesnt show up in vista audio properties. sometimes the sonar project file will play and sometimes I get this horrific buzzing or grinding sound. Its Monday and Im going to call Alesis and talk to one of thier tweaker geekers.

Greg

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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/06/23 11:25:39 (permalink)
Hi Altima...,
I don't know where to download them from. Actually, the io26 drivers are exactly the same and Alesis posts the old drivers for that. Trying email.

Greg,
If you want Vista to see your Alesis, you will need to enable system sounds in the Alesis control panel. Also see this post.

Bill B.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/06/23 19:55:40 (permalink)
You might find a few links and answers here

We will welcome your questions, solutions, tips and tricks if any, we are just trying to keep a place going for exchange of ideas, and we are in close contact with Alesis Technical support staff both in USA and UK, in fact Rob Griffith are actually monitoring the forum.

Cheers
Mike

Cheers
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/06/24 01:42:25 (permalink)
In device manager its called a "AGERE" I wonder if thats the problem? The alesis site names "adaptec" and some other one for compatible ones.


I just bought this one through Newegg cheap: Rosewill 2+1 PCI to 1394a
It uses a VIA chipset. I also have an Emachine that has FW builtin to the motherboard and it used a VIA chipset that's worked flawlessly under WinXP.

You can use me as your eSoundz referral (altima_boy_2001).
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Please help me about Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/07/14 13:05:23 (permalink)
I have multimix16firewire alesis but i have some problem,please help me.
I had just bought new pc use Winxp sp2 with
cpu INTEL Core2 Quad-Q9450 (2.66GHz)
Ram COZ 2gb
Main Asus p5k-pro
256MB ASUS EN7200GS TD/512
I had downloaded drive for multimix16firewire alesis with new Windows Driver v3.1.0.1210; Firmware v2.0
Updated by Alesis 03/17/2008 form web.I setup to my Pc it have some problem,I click
Control Panel--> Sounds and Audio Device--> “Audio” tab in sound playback and sound recording it
only appear "Multimix audio" not appear "Multimix audio out" and "Multimix main in".In "Voice” tab it
appear "Multimix audio" too,i think it only recognize only out port,although Under “Sound Scheme,”
choose “No sounds.”. and in control panel ---> Sound, video and game controllers
section. “MultiMix Audio” should appear.I run Firmware v2.0 but it appear waitting for device and no
happen.
So i can not record music,please help me,thanks a lot!
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RE: Please help me about Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/07/14 13:47:56 (permalink)
nguyenelcom: sorry. Quite a lot of people have this problem. Alesis ignores it and nobody outside Alesis can debug and fix it. I emailed their tech support, but got no answer - very professional. I'll never buy anything from them again.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/09/26 22:43:27 (permalink)
I have a Multimix 16 and I have trouble with my signal for my onboard effects. I've read the manual several times and was wondering if anyone's heard of any glitches or similar problems.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/10/03 20:32:20 (permalink)
hey man just reading a message you left about your multimix firewire 16, i got one today and im having problems just wondering if you are getting on alright with it now and if so what did you have to do to fix it or get it to operate properly...

If it sounds good, it is good!
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/11/07 18:12:41 (permalink)
My Multimix Firewire issues,

Sony Vaio FR285M, SB audigy PCMCIA

I've been trying for a while now to configure my software to run the wdm output to MM. I had great problems at first with drivers March 2008 and Origonal disc, they would install but wouldn't configure and I only had a few sec of audio after switching on. Firmware update or control wouldn't comunicate "Waiting for device".

This sound normal from reading forum.

But then I remembered I had download drivers for a friend a few years ago. I installed and found that the firmware version was 1.2 (Seems you can't upgrade from 1.2 to 2.0 directly) anyway installed upgraded to Firmware 1.3 then to 1.4.

Great I thought, all was looking good, so continued the upgrading to the latest firmware and drivers, wished I read this forum first.

New drivers and firmware work for a little bit longer and now have configuration on control. messed around with settings, lots of shutdowns and restarts to reconfigure, but after a few days and reading the forum gave up. I now in the process of trying older drivers.

I only have 3 Driver versions available (why don't alesis post older drivers) and I have good results with Version 6/23/2005. Audio is reasonable for my purpose but I can't get the control panel to function, so I can't setup latency etc.

Anyway I'm leaving things as they are for now unless anyone has Jan 2008 drivers or any other versions available.

Or does anyone now how to take the firmware back from v2.0 to 1.4
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/11/07 21:09:47 (permalink)
It's because of all the driver issues with the firewire version, that I bought the USB2 8 channel version. No problems.
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RE: Alesis MultiMix 16 FireWire 2008/11/30 01:03:54 (permalink)
Hey there everyone,

Like some of you, I'm getting inconsistent pops/clicks in my recordings and playback, and I'm getting random BSOD with different error messages.
I've contacted alesis about obtaining previous drivers but haven't gotten a response.
Would someone by kind enough to send me a driver (any driver) released before the most recent March of 2008? I would be eternally grateful.

I'm pretty much stuck with this unit, so I have to make due with what I can. Thanks!
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