John


Sorry you feel that way. I didn't see any mandate on this forum that specified anyone posting here had to have the program.

I can see if what I say is wrong or is giving people incorrect information that one might question how well a person is familiar with the program but you aren't saying that. You aren't correcting anything all you are doing is questioning me for not being in the X1 club as yet.

Please correct my postings. Find where I am wrong but don't attack me for not having the program.   

I'm not attacking you, John.   I'm sorry if you think I am.
But I'm also not going to engage in a p*ssing contest.  I made my statement, and I'll let it stand as is.

Time for bed, as well, so goodnight.

If I don't know what I am talking about show me Randy. Show one sentence I have posted on this thread that in incorrect about X1.

Global windows views were usefull in 8.5 now have to import them from open file to update screenshot? Long way round!

These free (for now) vids are really outstanding and clear up so much that's misunderstood about X1's perceived lack of previously included features. Highly recommend.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2179736

Yeah, I'm pretty cautious too but these folks have treated me very well - can't go into detail - and in this case perhaps your loss.

Lynn

guitartrek

For example, I can't mute clips with one button any more - I have to deal with a menu -> slower.


Geno

Geno, you can mute clips by hitting the letter K.  In previous versions it was the letter Q.  This is just one more example of the myriad of small, inexplicable changes that were made to X1.  Keyboard shortcuts can be found in the help menu.  So much angst could have been spared if CW would have simply explained that the operating system had been radically changed in the first place.  And, then, a map of those changes might have saved a lot of grief.  I would suggest that if CW ever makes such a radical change in the future, they provide a demo program first so that users can test drive the product before sinking their money into the program.  So far, changing the way we access certain functions has been the biggest pain, but better stability with Windows 7 and 64 bits has been the biggest gain.
Stay thirsty, my friends,
Lynn

Thanks Lynn.  Usually if there is a shortcut key it is shown on the menu pulldown next to the menu item, and nothing was there so I assumed there wasn't one.  That's good to know.

I would like to add that I think the key bindings config dialog is hard and slow to use.  My opinion of it has declined even further since I suggested a graphic UI for it.  With the current design I feel like I'm trudging through mud just to find out what keys are set to what commands. 

This area was not well designed or thought out.  A redesign is definitely in order.

Positively Charged


I would like to add that I think the key bindings config dialog is hard and slow to use.  My opinion of it has declined even further since I suggested a graphic UI for it.  With the current design I feel like I'm trudging through mud just to find out what keys are set to what commands. 

This area was not well designed or thought out.  A redesign is definitely in order.

The key binding configuration box is way too small.  It ought to be able to be expanded like most other windows.  A search box might help if you know what you're looking for.  Often, because of the nomenclature, I don't know what I want until I see it or I've tried it.  This is nothing different with X1, however.

Lynn, +1 to that!

One issue that the keybindings dialog has had and still is that unless you know that a keybinding is is in different areas you may have it only half done. Case in point is the clip reset keybinding. For it to work for both CV and TV you need to go to both places and keybind in both.  I can't think of any reason for it being in two places.

Maybe some people want the CV to reset and the TV not to. Who knows?

I'm guessing a lot of people haven't noticed that, actually. For anyone who doesn't like the new key layouts, the folder that opens when you click "import" has "Legacy Sonar Key bindings", as well as a bunch of other layouts.

Lynn

Hey Lynn. I enjoyed your utube video..

John


One issue that the keybindings dialog has had and still is that unless you know that a keybinding is is in different areas you may have it only half done. Case in point is the clip reset keybinding. For it to work for both CV and TV you need to go to both places and keybind in both.  I can't think of any reason for it being in two places.

Maybe some people want the CV to reset and the TV not to. Who knows?

Actually, I think I can understand the multiple-places methodology, John.  And it may be partly related to your comment a day or two ago about how X1 is somewhat more "menu driven".  That is, menu driven but not really menu driven.  :)
 
I get the distinct impression that with X1, the developers have taken a direction toward object oriented programming more than for any prior version of Sonar.  If I'm right, then these so-called "menus" can be thought of as more than just mere menus.  They are actual "objects", each with their own definitions and properties.  Or "contexts," if you will.
 
I know that even with Sonar 8.5, there were many ways to accomplish a given task.  The same is true in X1.  But now with Skylight, the UI has a different mode of thinking.  You have the different contexts that can each contain a path to the same internal function...for example, the Record Arm button exists on the Inspector, the Track View, and the Console View.  They all go to the same place, but now a common button is used.  And not just in look and feel; it's the same button because the button itself may also be an object included in each "bigger object" (CV, TV, Inspector), but let's not go there or peple will be dropping like flies...
 
Assume for the moment that the Inspector, TV, and CV are "objects" now; that each one contains its own properties; it's own version of Record Arm, which goes to the same place internally.  Incidentally, the same would be true of Mute, Automation R/W, and even the volume sliders in the TV, Inspector, and CV....and much much more.
 
It's heady stuff that will kill brain cells if you let it.  It's complicated to implement.  I'll bet that's why a lot of bugs could not be fixed in X1.  The base functions are still there, but a major part of the application has been rewired.
 
The benefit is that in the long run, object oriented design/programming (especially for a DAW) would open up a multitude of possibilities and future capabilities.  And hopefully the fixing of some of the bugs that folks have been reporting.

I'm not sure if this was brought up in this thread yet, but in X1 looks like there is one global snap setting for PRV and TV.  I used to like the fact that I could set TV snap to Measures and the PRV to 16th notes.  Now I have to keep switching snap resolutions between the two.  Is this a feature that was lost in X1?