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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 00:53:56
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Susan G
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Hi-
I think the level of helpfulness here is about the same as always (i.e., very high)! I think the "personality" of the SONAR forum has changed somewhat, though. I wasn't around when the forum hosts were first added and some of the subforums created. I'm not crazy about the tone/content of some of the forum hosts' posts, esp. when they say they like or respect certain members or particularly value their input, yada-yada, or argue ad infinitum a single point to make sure they're seen as "right." It shouldn't matter whether a host "likes" or "respects" a forum member when they're applying the rules, IMO.
Maybe they're in an untenable position as members *and* hosts, but it seems to me they should try to be objective and leave out the subjective stuff, if possible.
-Susan
I think you misinterpret the post I made. I know you have taken it out of context. Nor have you considered the outcome.
John-
I didn't single out anyone and I don't even know what post of yours you're referring to, so I couldn't have misinterpreted it or taken it out of context, let alone "considered the outcome," whatever that means.
-Susan
Susan if I got it wrong I am sorry. What is clear is your post seemed aimed at my interchange with two members just above your post. Its position was unfortunate. It led to conclusions that were wrong.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 01:05:14
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Ok you opening points are picky. You made reference to the opening post, but he had not (ok I slipped and said all posts) but the point was he was surmising the thread, not the OP.
His pint was about not moving things, so I he said posts and so did I, but his point is clearly about not moving a judging, let members make their own conclusions.
And you didn't respond to this
"Where did you get the idea about loosing membership from that?"
You seemed to take an entirely subjective view on his post rather than respond his point. I didn't know Susan post was aimed at you, she didn't say. And here you seem to make this posters post about you, when your are part of a collection of hosts. She said about hosts being subjective, and here you are on one page making one posters post about you and saying you know what Susan is thinking and would have considered.
I'm baffled to be honest, maybe take a step back. We all need to from time to time.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 01:35:36
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Kamikaza I'm baffled too by your not understanding my explanation. So be it.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 16:26:44
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Apparently, there was no shift in the forums. Alas!
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 16:37:04
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Lol. John, my post was not about you. And yes, I meant "thread", not post. Even some of my favorite moderators/hosts/deputies or whatever you/they are, have moved threads inappropriately, imo. I don't usually remember or nurse a grudge about the individual, but I might vaguely remember their user name. And then, many of my less favorite moderators/hosts/deputies or whatever have spent a good deal of time showing why certain thread original posts are wrong, when it will eventually become clear enough whether that's correct or not.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 16:40:27
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To summarize on this particular derailment of the forum and this thread: why not let a problem report resonate as it may? Whoever is an actual programmer of an important piece of audio software is probably also capable of being a forum-winnower, eliminating what is not relevant or not fixable from what might be of interest. For you (the host/volunteer/moderator/deputy) to presumptively try to save their time, even if someone has asked you to do so, is a mistake.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 17:35:35
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 18:38:16
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brundlefly
Who's on first.
I don't know!
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 19:15:43
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SquireBum
brundlefly
Who's on first.
I don't know!
You're supposed to say "What?"
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 19:37:55
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Right. I just thought we'd skip to third base. 
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/19 20:26:03
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You get credit for a stolen base.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 00:02:52
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The difference between the Cubase forum and the Sonar forum:
Cubase forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information.
Sonar forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information in a sea of highschool drama.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 00:18:51
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The difference between the Cubase forum and the Sonar forum:
Cubase forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information.
Sonar forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information in a sea of highschool drama.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 00:22:11
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Before anybody has a go at me I'm Miss Piggy.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 00:38:03
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vintagevibe
The difference between the Cubase forum and the Sonar forum:
Cubase forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information.
Sonar forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information in a sea of highschool drama.
What's wrong with a little humor and lively back and forth? I don't waste my time on boring forums. This is the public square, the equivalent of the Roman Forum. Let it flow, life is too short.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 03:58:49
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Back to the OP: the PRV Controller Pane is still the worst thing ever, but I posted about it so often early in Platinum that there doesn't seem to be any point in renewing those posts. So ... perhaps the "shift in the forum" is people like me getting used to work-arounds, waiting hopefully for fixes to those problems that affect them, or else simply leaving for other products.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 09:00:10
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vintagevibe
The difference between the Cubase forum and the Sonar forum:
Cubase forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information.
Sonar forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information in a sea of highschool drama.
michael diemer
What's wrong with a little humor and lively back and forth? I don't waste my time on boring forums. This is the public square, the equivalent of the Roman Forum. Let it flow, life is too short.
When I called myself Miss Piggy I was serious!
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 10:13:29
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I apologize for contributing to the high school drama. At times, it us hard to ignore the tactic of very insulting language by the perpetual malcontents. The same people who leave very rude replies to hosts and moderators seem to ironically be the ones prone to point out reactions to their behavior and I foolishly took the bait. Won't happen again.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 21:07:21
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williamcopper
To summarize on this particular derailment of the forum and this thread: why not let a problem report resonate as it may?
That's a very germane question. I think a lot of the issue is that we know the Bakers monitor the problem report and feature requests forums more than the general discussion. So I think making sure that something is in the right place improves the odds of it being noticed and acted upon by people who can actually do something about it.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 21:14:45
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vintagevibe
The difference between the Cubase forum and the Sonar forum:
Cubase forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information.
Sonar forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information in a sea of highschool drama.
Of course, the irony is that creating a post about high school drama is in itself an example of high school drama.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 21:43:04
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vintagevibe
The difference between the Cubase forum and the Sonar forum:
Cubase forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information.
Sonar forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information in a sea of highschool drama.
Of course, the irony is that creating a post about high school drama is in itself an example of high school drama.
No it's not. It's an accurate description of the differences. It's information that you should find useful but apparently you don't. It is one reason people don't take Sonar seriously.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 22:12:46
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Have you been to the Celemony forum ?
The moderators there examine and consider your post, and if deemed appropriate they will actually post it.
No all forums are alike, but I much prefer the wide open dialog exchange of this Sonar forum, where at least I have the choice to filter out the nonsense, and gather in the jewels of knowledge from the many generous contributors.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/20 23:24:25
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Maybe I have been too busy lately but for whatever reason, the posts I have been reading do not usually inspire me to participate and I don't know the reason for this. It could be that the old fashion way I having been using SONAR is a different model than the newer users or just that pretty much many of the forum topics are starting to repeat.
I still browse our forum but haven't posted much lately.
My perspective to the original question,
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/21 06:41:52
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vintagevibe
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vintagevibe
The difference between the Cubase forum and the Sonar forum:
Cubase forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information.
Sonar forum: People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information in a sea of highschool drama.
Of course, the irony is that creating a post about high school drama is in itself an example of high school drama.
No it's not. It's an accurate description of the differences. It's information that you should find useful but apparently you don't. It is one reason people don't take Sonar seriously.
Right, people don't take SONAR seriously because you make a sweeping opinion-based generalization that I consider as one data point out of many...from someone who claims not to use SONAR except to open legacy projects. That alone makes me wonder why you even bother to come here. Feel free to have opinions, just don't expect everyone to think that yours is inherently more valid. As another poster said: "What's wrong with a little humor and lively back and forth? I don't waste my time on boring forums. This is the public square, the equivalent of the Roman Forum. Let it flow, life is too short." That's an opinion, too. It is no less valid than yours. At the end of the day, this forum represents a single-digit percentage of SONAR users. You choose to be a part of it, and it is what the people posting here make it. It's your choice to insult them. Carry on.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/21 06:51:35
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too much confrontation - not every post needs a reply - disengage! disengage!
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/21 07:07:29
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Sorry, you're right but I just don't like it when someone who claims not even to use the program except in an extremely limited way insults the entire forum. Maybe he just hasn't noticed there are plenty of threads here where people try to solve problems, and give or ask for information.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/21 07:18:51
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Well, looks like things have shifted back to normal.  ... 
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/21 07:22:10
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There is certainly "highschool drama" here sometimes, it's tough to deny it (though people being what we are, I find it hard to believe that any public forum is free of it). While it's true that one person's highschool drama is another person's "humor and lively back and forth", for me there's a reasonably clear delineation - and while I certainly appreciate the latter, I will admit to finding the former off-putting at times. I generally don't find it hard to steer clear of engaging in it directly, though doubtless someone could dredge up an example or two where I have succumbed... but sometimes I find myself wondering why on earth I am still following a thread that has basically fully devolved into tangents and catfights. However, sometimes even one of those will surprise me - lots of smart cool people here, and often someone finds a way to channel the drama into a useful observation...
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/21 11:18:55
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Anderton
Sorry, you're right but I just don't like it when someone who claims not even to use the program except in an extremely limited way insults the entire forum. Maybe he just hasn't noticed there are plenty of threads here where people try to solve problems, and give or ask for information.
Take a few deep breaths and actually read my post.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/21 11:20:57
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subtlearts
There is certainly "highschool drama" here sometimes, it's tough to deny it (though people being what we are, I find it hard to believe that any public forum is free of it). While it's true that one person's highschool drama is another person's "humor and lively back and forth", for me there's a reasonably clear delineation - and while I certainly appreciate the latter, I will admit to finding the former off-putting at times. I generally don't find it hard to steer clear of engaging in it directly, though doubtless someone could dredge up an example or two where I have succumbed... but sometimes I find myself wondering why on earth I am still following a thread that has basically fully devolved into tangents and catfights. However, sometimes even one of those will surprise me - lots of smart cool people here, and often someone finds a way to channel the drama into a useful observation...
Has subtlearts just insulted the forum or is he giving useful opinions?
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