I could give a rip what other folks think of this forum. It has proved invaluable to me in the last month or so. You can either help make it the way you want it, or not. Whining about stuff you don't like really doesn't help.

My all time fav...
 
I DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ THE DOCUMENTATION OR UPDATE MY SOFTWARE... I AM A BUSY PERSON!
 
Love that one... We will do it for you then of course... 

I love this place... all forums are riddled with wackos.  If you think we have a few here, you should immerse yourself in climate change forums for awhile...billions of bucks going into disrupting real discussions.  I find this place the most wonderfully helpful spot on the internet.  
 
All you amazing folk... thanks.   

I say lemon...

subtlearts

vintagevibe
Has subtlearts just insulted the forum or is he giving useful opinions?

You say tomato, I say tomato... hmmm, that doesn't work as well in print, does it?

tomayto ?

subtlearts
tomahto

correct

I feel the Shift in the forum: Craig has used his "Host power" to shift "Coffee House" to "Sonar"

vintagevibe
 
Has subtlearts just insulted the forum or is he giving useful opinions?

 
Subtlearts contributes to this forum on multiple levels, and even when critical, does so in a constructive way intended to help the community. Therefore I respect his opinions, and consider them useful. He does not make public statements that he switched to Cubase, and then take advantage of the free an open nature of this forum to insult the entire forum by saying that it is defined as "People trying to solve problems, give or ask for information in a sea of highschool [sic] drama."
 
I started this thread to give props to those who contributed by narrowing down bugs, providing tips and techniques that benefit all, being specific in their attempts to isolate problems, and contributing code that would benefit the entire community. Yet you felt it was necessary to derail that by pushing your agenda notation - even though there was already a notation complaint thread in which you had posted your opinion 39 times. Isn't that enough opportunities to complain, without bringing your complaints into a totally unrelated thread?
 
Go enjoy Cubase (especially the great job they did on updating my Quadrafuzz  - Carlos, you did good!), and since you feel this is a sea of highschool drama, you can avoid it completely by a) not participating, and b) not contributing your own high school-level drama.
 
My thanks to the people detailed in my opening post remains as valid as ever. Hopefully they will realize how much I appreciate their efforts, accept that I have wanted to defend them, and understand why I need to return to contributing as much as I can to those whose only goal is to make better music with the software they use. There is no need to waste my time on someone who does not respect this community, and claims to have switched to other software anyway.

This is a thread that proves no thread can exist that is meant to praise. It will get sabotaged. It doesn't matter what is being praised only that it is positive and meant to point out the good of things. Some few seem unable to resist the urge to bring any happy posting to its knees. 
 
Its not a case of being half empty. Its a case of if its not my glass being filled I wont let anyone else bask in the light of happiness. Its they that can't let others feel fulfillment or contentment as long as they see their glass as parched and empty. 
 
 

Thought better of it.

No one used foul language. "douchebag"(which i abbreviated to d-bag) is not nice but hardly foul language. I was admonished and agreed not to go there again. Thus, continuing to bring it up is pointless deflection. It is ironic that you are fixated on insults to you, yet you have no issue insulting others. How do you know what most users know? Do you have anything close to a provable ratio figure of members here who know what a newsgroup is? Yet you throw stuff like this out as if it's fact when it conjecture at best.

Everyone is entitled to opinion, but there is something kind of off when a person continually uses this freedom to consistently hijack threads meant to be positive to disrupt despite having pages and pages of the dame gripes in threads dedicated to the same gripe. Combative posts are going to invite combative replies and yes, the moment you enter a positive thread for the sole purpose of complaining and to continually proclaim your percieved superiority of another product, you placed yourself in a combative position.

Calling occupants...

I love this forum. Gold has been and continues to be posted in this place and I've profited greatly from it, even (and sometimes particularly) from the more dramatic posts. I don't post much, but when I have something that isn't already burned into the DNA of everyone here I will do so.
 
The key is quantity, imho. The more posts there are in a given thread, the more likely it is that one will contain what I'm looking for.
 
Kevin

I find the vast majority of this forum to be useful.  Any particular issue may not apply to me at the time but I will read many of the threads anyway, just in case or for future reference.  On those occasions when I start a thread asking for help or input I am always delightfully surprised at how quickly I get useful replies and how valuable they are.  
 
You can usually tell just from a thread title if it is truly a request for help or merely someone seizing an opportunity to rant/vent/whine.  I usually skip those threads unless I am looking for entertainment and amusement (or for a reason to procrastinate).  I have never seen one of those threads where the OP eventually gets convinced of anything other than the position they started out with.  In fact, the stronger or more numerous the arguments in opposition to the OP, the more they will dig in. I am a little awed when so many people will continue to thrust away to so little effect. I can understand one or two attempts to present a rational alternative point of view but it usually becomes quickly apparent that it is an exercise in futility.

I have to say that I frequently find concise, exactly-what-I'm-looking-for solutions to problems on this forum via a google search - often for issues that are not directly Sonar-related. This means that I'm searching for some solution to a strange problem and the answer could be on any music tech forum, whether general or product-specific - wherever google determines the best answer to be. And many times, probably at least as often as not, the answer that solves my problem ends up being here - sometimes in an old thread, sometimes a newer one. I think that says something about how genuinely helpful a place it frequently is.