Doktor Avalanche 
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 14:48:40
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kevinwal
But I do get it now. You don't want Cake to acknowledge the value of your points, you're going to hold this forum hostage until they pony up and adopt your release strategy. Kind of like a US Senate filibuster.
Nope... Cake can happily ignore it if they want, not holding them at gunpoint. The other John appeared to state they had responded. That's the whole origin of this discussion isn't it? I haven't been bashing my hands on the table demanding a response, and I suspect they would rather not. I'm not going to bend their elbow either... I'll let you off bending the discussion as I quite enjoyed your humour ;)
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/23 15:01:15
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 15:00:31
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I think it is great advantage to get little slices instead of a big chunk of funtionalities, because this way I have the chance to actually learn what the software can do.
What I dislike is the fact, that the focus is on "cool" stuff - not the necessary maintance of existing features. For example, where can I find a documentation about sfz2? It is great that I can use my own samples within Dimension Pro, but no documentation? What is going on with ACT? It was a game changer in the past, but half of the presets are for hardware that is deprecated since half a decade ago.
I will subcribe for another year, if there is at least some support for these topics. Don't get me wrong, Sonar is great. But I am only willing to pay for another year, if the software is well supported. Otherwise Sonar is just fine as it is - and I will live without new "cool" features.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 15:08:33
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John
I didn't change anything in your post Alex.
Pmsl you didn't quote me once, more like a question answer session between yourself, with you holding up a Doktor Avalanche puppet in your hands providing the answers :) Never mind.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 15:14:06
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kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?
DoktorWhat I wrote first post. Not what John is writing that I am saying nor anybody else for that matter. Had enough of looping and so has everybody else :) Ta.
John T
Yawn.
Your first post doesn't answer the question "what you would have them do to address the point head on?"
There's nothing clever about refusing to answer a straight and simple question, and you can bet everyone's noticed your MO in the regard by now. It's rude, basically, is what it is.
Yawn I'll paste it again.. Doktor Avalanche
Platinum for me is an improvement. For me I thought the break off from Roland was a positive. Splat certainly started off with a bang and it's certainly better with Gibson.
Sure the monthly updates are better than X3 and before, sadly however the QA results seem to be about the same. I don't expect bakers to find every issue, QA is hard, the product is complex, it's impossible to find everything. Heck I did it as a job for several years in silicon valley, I should know, and I know part of the model has to be the customers end up being the beta testers, that's fine by me. It's a fact of life we all must deal with if we want good and cheap software. But I still do question the model of releasing unstable or buggy software with bug fixes at the same time.
Monthly is great if all we are is beta testers, and some people want to be, and that is fine by me. The situation we have now basically. But for the rest of us, we want to run on stable releases, and there needs to be another path for us to follow. If there was a situation where there were additional stability releases every quarter with a feature freeze, a true alternative path to follow, that would be a huge improvement. That could run in parallel or part of the normal cycle. Whatever...
To say that there is no demand for stability releases (as has been stated only recently) is a ridiculous statement. This is audio software we are talking about. Some of us just want to spend time recording without issue.
Of course the arguement would be you can simply roll back, this is true and is a good feature... However..
a) We are still put into the position of having to be beta testers whether we want to or not when we upgrade. That's a pita when all some of us want to do is record, and with paying customers is a big no no.
b) Rolling back may resolve an issue, but just leaves us with other different bugs to cope with. You takes yer choice.
So in summary yup it's better, but something seriously needs to be done to improve the current situation. Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.
Seriously I starting to wonder about reading abilities here. I've pasted this like a zillion times have I not?
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 15:16:15
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Glad you had a chuckle. I might help you to know that in many American movies it's the snarky, self-absorbed and generally stuck up female antagonist who wiggles her fingers and dismisses those she considers her social or intellectual inferiors with a nasty little "Ta." Knowing this might help you avoid causing inadvertent offense. Edited to be clear about what I'm saying here.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 15:34:08
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I am feeling like this is going round in circles... I do not feel like this is a thread to throw down the gloves, is it? Anyone with me? (Again, not pointing fingers at anyone) Which came first? The hen or the egg? (I am full of it tonight, though... Ps. I know the answer  ) All the best.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 15:34:51
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/11/23 15:53:23
Doktor Avalanche
kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?
... Lots of repetitive stuff deleted here.
Seriously I starting to wonder about reading abilities here. I've pasted this like a zillion times have I not?
I wrote a pissed off response to this and deleted it because it embarrassed me to stoop to this level. And I cannot fathom what it is that motivates you to resort to blatant insults rather than directly address the actual question I asked instead of the one you want it to be. If you have a hard time understanding my question, please feel free to ask. I'd love to help you successfully navigate this internet thing.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 16:05:19
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I have to say ( and then I will shut up with, regards to this thread), that this thread is what deterred me from Gearslutsz, as a participant in the first place.
Please do not let this forum become one of those places, where ignorance / personal attack is placed above general understanding of the product. Or even the general use of this "product".
The answer lies somewhere in between the written truth, and the perceived one ...
I guess this is the age of internet.
If you cannot reply directly to the comment you are replying to, then don' t...
Why, oh why...
Ps. Still not pointing fingers.........................................................
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 16:12:10
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The CCC rollback seems to be an important part of the new regimen so I am posting this here. I do not mean to derail this thread  but I since I have only used the CCC a few times, I actually have a question. I know you can revert to a previous Sonar version but what about all the other associated files not included in the Sonar core? I assume that you can individually rollback say DimPro or Rapture, but can you literally rollback your entire Sonar system (Sonar + VSTs + VSTi's) to a previous state like for Windows restore points? This seems like a desirable feature and a troubleshooting timesaver if a new upgrade breaks your workflow and a rollback is necessary.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 16:15:05
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microapp
The CCC rollback seems to be an important part of the new regimen so I am posting this here. I do not mean to derail this thread but I since I have only used the CCC a few times, I actually have a question.
I know you can revert to a previous Sonar version but what about all the other associated files not included in the Sonar core?
I assume that you can individually rollback say DimPro or Rapture, but can you literally rollback your entire Sonar system (Sonar + VSTs + VSTi's) to a previous state like for Windows restore points?
This seems like a desirable feature and a troubleshooting timesaver if a new upgrade breaks your workflow and a rollback is necessary.
You shouldn't have to roll back non core files. They don't change that often.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 16:20:30
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Zargg71
I have to say ( and then I will shut up with, regards to this thread), that this thread is what deterred me from Gearslutsz, as a participant in the first place.
Please do not let this forum become one of those places, where ignorance / personal attack is placed above general understanding of the product. Or even the general use of this "product".
The answer lies somewhere in between the written truth, and the perceived one ...
I guess this is the age of internet.
If you cannot reply directly to the comment you are replying to, then don' t...
Why, oh why...
Ps. Still not pointing fingers.........................................................
Ken, I appreciate and agree with the sentiments expressed here, but I'm afraid that if I back down now, the Visigoths will have won and all will be for naught.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 16:48:42
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Adq
I'm with minority here. I can absolutely understand people who become crazy because of annoying bugs. And absolutely can't understand people who defend bugs, and yes, it is what many of you do.
Oh, it is not a bug. Oh, maybe it is bug, but very small. Oh, you must be doing something wrong. Oh, you must learn better. Oh, you should do it other way, because there is only one right way to do it. Oh, I never saw any bugs. Oh, the tool is perfect and all problems is in your head. Oh, you must be bad musician, so you can't do music, and that is why you are sitting here and write about bugs.
It is complete nonsense and waste of time. It looks stupid for me.
maybe it just has to do with the ambiguity of the term “bug”
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 17:54:44
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kevinwal
Glad you had a chuckle. I might help you to know that in many American movies it's the snarky, self-absorbed and generally stuck up female antagonist who wiggles her fingers and dismisses those she considers her social or intellectual inferiors with a nasty little "Ta." Knowing this might help you avoid causing inadvertent offense.
Edited to be clear about what I'm saying here.
In the UK it means 'cheers' or 'thanks'. Guess it's what is intended is what counts...
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 18:07:11
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kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?
DoktorWhat I wrote first post. Not what John is writing that I am saying nor anybody else for that matter. Had enough of looping and so has everybody else :) Ta.
John T
Yawn.
Your first post doesn't answer the question "what you would have them do to address the point head on?"
There's nothing clever about refusing to answer a straight and simple question, and you can bet everyone's noticed your MO in the regard by now. It's rude, basically, is what it is.
Doktor AvalancheYawn I'll paste it again..
Doktor Avalanche
Platinum for me is an improvement. For me I thought the break off from Roland was a positive. Splat certainly started off with a bang and it's certainly better with Gibson.
Sure the monthly updates are better than X3 and before, sadly however the QA results seem to be about the same. I don't expect bakers to find every issue, QA is hard, the product is complex, it's impossible to find everything. Heck I did it as a job for several years in silicon valley, I should know, and I know part of the model has to be the customers end up being the beta testers, that's fine by me. It's a fact of life we all must deal with if we want good and cheap software. But I still do question the model of releasing unstable or buggy software with bug fixes at the same time.
Monthly is great if all we are is beta testers, and some people want to be, and that is fine by me. The situation we have now basically. But for the rest of us, we want to run on stable releases, and there needs to be another path for us to follow. If there was a situation where there were additional stability releases every quarter with a feature freeze, a true alternative path to follow, that would be a huge improvement. That could run in parallel or part of the normal cycle. Whatever...
To say that there is no demand for stability releases (as has been stated only recently) is a ridiculous statement. This is audio software we are talking about. Some of us just want to spend time recording without issue.
Of course the arguement would be you can simply roll back, this is true and is a good feature... However..
a) We are still put into the position of having to be beta testers whether we want to or not when we upgrade. That's a pita when all some of us want to do is record, and with paying customers is a big no no.
b) Rolling back may resolve an issue, but just leaves us with other different bugs to cope with. You takes yer choice.
So in summary yup it's better, but something seriously needs to be done to improve the current situation. Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.
Doktor Avalanche
Seriously I starting to wonder about reading abilities here. I've pasted this like a zillion times have I not?
kevinwal wrote a pissed off response to this and deleted it because it embarrassed me to stoop to this level. And I cannot fathom what it is that motivates you to resort to blatant insults rather than directly address the actual question I asked instead of the one you want it to be. If you have a hard time understanding my question, please feel free to ask. I'd love to help you successfully navigate this internet thing.
Seriously? Blatent insults? John T told me he was fed up with me pasting the same post, so I refer to it, then he calls it rude that I refer to a previous post, so I paste the same post, then this is a blatent insult.. This is getting rather silly isn't it? You wrote? kevinwal
Your first post doesn't answer the question "what you would have them do to address the point head on?" Perhaps I shall abstract the answer for you now from the quote pasted a zillion+1 times now... And even put it in bold in case you might miss it. Doktor Avalanche Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.
I hope you are finally happy now. This has been pasted now a gazillion times. The VERY first post I wrote,.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/23 18:31:00
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 18:07:18
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Cant you hear me banging my broomstick on the ceiling? Knock it off up there already!
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 18:15:40
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haven't all monthly updates included manifold stability improvements, and bug fixes? Sonar is getting better every month. It's not a case of two steps forward this month, one back the next.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 20:35:37
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On the plus side, the membership model works really well for me.
On the down side, whoever dreamt up the downright ugly portmanteau "SPLAT" should be permanently separated from his genitals.
Still, I suppose it could have been a lot worse...
.... they could have christened it "SONAR Hits"
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 20:59:46
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/11/24 02:46:16
Wow... what trainwreck this is.
I'd like to point out that I am constantly pointing out bugs and defiencies that I find in my travels. No one seems to crawl up my butt about it (usually).
Funny that.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 21:03:18
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I agree with a lot of the FIRST few posts in this thread. For this past year I also am very happy with the "model."
This PAST year was a bargain, for me at least, BUT to fully answer the question asked in the threads' title the upcoming year will tell the full story, not the past year, because; the new Cakewalk business model hasn't really been in full play yet.
In January (2015), it cost $149 to go from Sonar X3 Producer to Sonar Platinum (please no semantic gymnastics over words like rental, or subscription, or whatever). With that upgrade we ALSO obtained AD 2 with XLN Producer pak (XLN's 3-pak add in), Melodyne Essential, as well as the usual suspects like the full versions of Dimension Pro and Rapture.
We got all the above and, over this past year, we also obtained a lot of improvements, enhancements, and fixes (not everything that all folks wanted - but more than a few) and add-ons like Drum Replacer (not important to me but apparently to a lot of users it is great). So again for $149, this past year was a very good year.
As I alluded, most of us already had full Dim Pro and Rapture. I have no less than four Dim. Pro and Rapture serial numbers accumulated with various upgrades over the years, so that was no selling point, for me to "jump in" last January. Also, the $79 Melodyne Essential was not a selling point (again, to me) since, I had it from the previous upgrade from Sonar X2 Pro to X3 Pro (and actually had already upgraded to the Melodyne Editor).
However, the XLN AD 2 with Producer pak was the tipping point (for me) to jump in since I was going to upgrade from AD 1 to AD 2 anyway. That alone would have been $79 without even considering how much the XLN Producer 3-pak would have been ( I think that was another ~$80 or more).
So as I see it, I got AD 2 upgrade for than $79 (with free 3 pak add-on) AND Sonar Platinum with a year of "monthly" updates, enhancements, and fixes at a huge discount of around ~$70, again a GREAT DEAL for CY 2015!
But looking AHEAD to CY 2016:
This UPCOMING year is going to cost me (most of us) $199 simply for the PROMISE of a year of updates (aka bug fixes). The rest are ALL "maybes." Maybe new feature add-ons (like Drum Replacer), maybe enhancements/improvements, maybe TBD add-on/add-in "bonuses." Bottom-line: there is no legal requirement for Cakewalk to do much, if ANYTHING for that $199 in CY 2016.
Although there is a very real and pragmatic business reason for Cakewalk to deliver what most users would agree is worth AT LEAST $200 in support, enhancements, fixes, etc.
Cakewalk, like all companies, wants to maintain and, more importantly, GROW their customer base. They can only do that if most users think they get their money's worth and "spread the (good) word." Additionally Cakewalk wants to minimize (zero being the ideal) negative or unrecoverable "press." So Cakewalk, like most companies, is motivated to deliver for that $199.
So at this time next year you or I may end up thinking we've gotten way more than $200 worth of "stuff," and support, enhancements, improvements, and fixes for our $199. Or we may think we got very little more than a few expensive bug fixes. So the real story for CY 2016 is TBD . This will be the first time I have to lay out $200 for a year's worth of Cakewalk "maybes." so next year I will re-evaluate whether I will continue down this path with Cakewalk.
I'm not complaining at all for this past year, again it was a great deal (to me) for $149, but the UPCOMING year will tell the actual story, good or bad, of Cakewalk's "new and improved" business model.
For the record I've been with Cakewalk, and loyal to this sequencer, now DAW, software, since Mar 1989 when I bought CW V2 for DOS - I just don't show up here very often to post.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 21:16:50
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Beepster
Wow... what trainwreck this is.
I'd like to point out that I am constantly pointing out bugs and defiencies that I find in my travels. No one seems to crawl up my butt about it (usually).
Funny that.
You should try responding to a thread entitled 'As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off?' Hint. Even if you write 'better off' like I did, don't ask for the monthly cycle to be tweaked or even mention 'old bugs'. That is heresy here. Not allowed in an open discussion. Apparently trolling...
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 21:40:04
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Yewsguise is still at it.
Since I got home 2 hours ago I've mixed two songs and I thought I'd drop in for some relaxation.
Now I have a headache.
I've got stop reading all this drivel. Except of course, Straummy's post was right on. SPLAT is what bugs do not what they are.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 21:50:16
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actually...there are only a couple of "guyz at it"... [that take up the majority of posts in this thread]. hhhmmm. I'm totally stoked for Cakewalk 2016. We are MUCH better off....if you were to list all that has occurred over 2015 with Sonar Platinum. There's A LOT of [other companies]great plugs, etc coming out now too...........but I'm making sure I'm going to be able to totally be ready, come Jan 21 to make sure my Cake always can taste its' best, for the next 12 months.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 23:13:17
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☄ Helpfulby SGodfrey 2015/11/24 05:17:15
In 2015:
Bought Cubase 7 and upgraded it to 8.
Upgraded Reaper 4 to 5.
Upgraded Studio One v2 to v3.
Demoed Samplitube v?
Bought and sold Bitwig.
Sold my copy of Ableton 8.
Bought Max and added it to my arsenal.
I heavily tested each program and upgrade for the past year. Made a few tracks in one, moved on to another, watched numerous demos and spent far too long on forums figuring out how to do the same thing fifty different ways across all programs. I was unhappy with Sonar development X1 through X3, and decided that I was going to find something different to use in 2015. I completely lost faith when I found out that Gibson was taking over the company, but it's turned out to be the best thing that's happened to Sonar.
I started seriously recording a new album two weeks ago, and my host of choice is Sonar Platinum. It does everything I want with a minimum of fuss. The stability has greatly improved over other versions, even 8.52, which was my all time favorite. Bugs are squashed, dozens at a time. If a new update introduces a bug, it takes a few days usually to get fixed. Not months like it did when an older version (Sonar 7?) was motorboating my Lynx cards. The workflow fits what I do. I get remix tracks out, or ghost write, and people want to take me out for a beer to pick my brain about how I did it. I don't get the same results with the other programs. Between Lexicon/Valhalla reverbs, Slate plugs, and Sonar, I feel like I've found the holy grail of recording. This is how I imagined it twenty years ago, and now it's here.
I can see no downside to the current model. Even the subscriptions were on sale this summer.
I can remember scraping together money for a recording studio when I was young, and paying 100.00 an hour just so the guy could spend two hours setting up the drum mics and get the levels right. If you can't make brilliant art with what's available, then the problem lies with you and not the tools.
There's nothing in life that's perfect, software included. But, Sonar is so much better than it's been for a long time.
A deep chesty bawl echoes from rimrock to rimrock, rolls down the mountain, and fades into the far blackness of the night. It is an outburst of wild defiant sorrow, and of contempt for all the adversities of the world. - Aldo Leopold
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 23:50:04
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If we get a new features freeze with nothing but fixes for a couple of months, then shouldn't we also get a fixes freeze with nothing but new features for a couple of months? 
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/24 00:06:14
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Seriously though, if Cake's problem statistics showed that new features were the root cause of the majority of bugs? I doubt they would have got the votes to move to a model that would ultimately introduce tonnes of bugs each month. How would they ever catch up without exploding staff positions exponentially with each release?
I look over at other software offerings who give you new features in one hit and then do nothing but fixes for the next 6 months. Annnnnndddddd new bugs, errors and inconsistencies continue to crop up, despite not adding anything new in way of new features! Could it be that altering the internal protocols of various sums, new feature or not, is what causes the majority of errors? Combined with the OS company constantly tinkering with how their platform does internal processes?...
But look who I'm talking to? I mean, there's so many professional software developers in this thread. They obviously know all this, so I'll just return to guitaring the s**t out of this track!
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
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Doktor Avalanche
kevinwal
Your first post doesn't answer the question "what you would have them do to address the point head on?"
Perhaps I shall abstract the answer for you now from the quote pasted a zillion+1 times now... And even put it in bold in case you might miss it.
Doktor Avalanche Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.
I hope you are finally happy now. This has been pasted now a gazillion times. The VERY first post I wrote,.
At LAST, we get to it, and perhaps some chance of you grasping everyone's irritation. You have just explained - and we all knew all along - that you equate "address the point" with "do it the way I say". Now, everyone who's actually sane would equate "address the point" with, you know, "address the point". Which would include the option for Cakewalk to say "yeah, see what you're getting at, but no, we don't intend to do it that way". Which is what they have done. Your stance here seems to be I AM GOING TO JUST SAY THIS OVER AND OVER TIL I GET MY WISH. Please, for the love of God, stop.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/24 04:59:38
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Doktor Avalanche
Beepster
Wow... what trainwreck this is.
I'd like to point out that I am constantly pointing out bugs and defiencies that I find in my travels. No one seems to crawl up my butt about it (usually).
Funny that.
You should try responding to a thread entitled 'As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off?'
Hint. Even if you write 'better off' like I did, don't ask for the monthly cycle to be tweaked or even mention 'old bugs'. That is heresy here. Not allowed in an open discussion. Apparently trolling...
Alex, is this genuinely why you think people are so fed up with you? Or is this just part of a "Make myself look like a victim, barrack room lawyer ploy"? I think several people here have expressed very clearly what their issue is - do you not understand it, or not want to understand it? I have not seen anyone complain about discussing improvements to the monthly cycle. Shouting something over and over and over again at the top of your voice, wherevere you go, is not discussion. There is a word for it. In fact, when I worked in mental health, we had a specific term for it.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
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☄ Helpfulby jb101 2015/11/24 05:20:33
jb101
Shouting something over and over and over again at the top of your voice, wherevere you go, is not discussion. There is a word for it. In fact, when I worked in mental health, we had a specific term for it.
Team meetings?
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/24 05:09:13
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Oh, and I made a quick list of the some of the new features/content from Sonar Platinum 2015 so far.
Sorry to paste it in here, but I think it is impressive, and certainly makes my decision as to whether to continue easier:
Command Centre
FX Stacking
Recycle/Pin Plugin Windows
Expandable Send
Pattern Tool
16 Virtual Custom Amps
Addictive Drums 2
Stunning New FX Chains
Mix Recall
The New Control Bar
REmatrix Solo
VocalSync
Craig Anderton VoxTools
Craig Anderton Acoustic Piezo CA-X Amp Sim
Hardgroove Steinberger Rapture Expansion Pack
Hardgroove’s Bass Loop Library
Craig Anderton Acoustic Guitar Presets
ProChannel module from Boz Digital Labs-Bark of Dog
ProChannel module from Boz Digital-Panipulator
New Impulse Responses for REmatrix Solo
Anderton Collection “Phasor Constructor”
Les Paul Gold Top Expansion Pack-DimPro
Onscreen Virtual Controller
Pedalboard FX Chains
Kickmaster FX Chain
Synthetic IRs for REmatrix Solo
Kick Start Pack
SizzleBus
Drum Replacer
Strum Session 2
Deflate Gate
EDM Percussion Loops
Plug-In Upsampling
Relative Video Path
Windows 10 Compatibility
Interactive Project Tutorials
Showcase Templates
Mixing Templates
Mastering Templates
Start Screen
.PNG Support
Export Presets
Enhanced Clip Export
Synth Recording
Style Dials
Upsample on Playback
Aux Tracks
Patch Points
Impressive, huh?
This list may not be exhaustive, and I have not included the hundreds of bug fixes and optimisations, as the list was far too long.
Feel free to add any if I missed them.
Me, I'm happy..
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/24 05:33:30
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John T
Doktor Avalanche
kevinwal
Your first post doesn't answer the question "what you would have them do to address the point head on?"
Perhaps I shall abstract the answer for you now from the quote pasted a zillion+1 times now... And even put it in bold in case you might miss it.
Doktor Avalanche Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.
I hope you are finally happy now. This has been pasted now a gazillion times. The VERY first post I wrote,.
At LAST, we get to it, and perhaps some chance of you grasping everyone's irritation.
You have just explained - and we all knew all along - that you equate "address the point" with "do it the way I say".
Now, everyone who's actually sane would equate "address the point" with, you know, "address the point". Which would include the option for Cakewalk to say "yeah, see what you're getting at, but no, we don't intend to do it that way". Which is what they have done.
Your stance here seems to be I AM GOING TO JUST SAY THIS OVER AND OVER TIL I GET MY WISH.
Please, for the love of God, stop.
LOL you and Kev asked me to answer the question about 5 times. I gave you the same answer about 5 times. Then you ask me to STOP repeating! Even when I edit the post to most simplest form, now apparently I'm not leaving an option for cakewalk to respond???? Forgive me if I no longer respond your comments (I suspect you won't). This is just simply baiting...
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/24 05:45:06
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