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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/22 11:25:28
Doktor Avalanche
Doktor Avalanche it's more about the personalities than a discussion around software.
John T That's definitely true, though I think not in the way you intend to mean.
Well of course if you use half a quote it's not going to be meant as intended is it? (Admittedly I was editing the comment).
Doktor Avalanche by design IMHO as the points being made here afterwards have little relevance around it, they seem to be more about the personalities and polarization, rather than a calm and sensible discussion around software.
Here we go again. Please Avalanche, does it ever stop?
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 11:19:21
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Doktor Avalanche
Doktor Avalanche it's more about the personalities than a discussion around software.
John T That's definitely true, though I think not in the way you intend to mean.
Well of course if you use half a quote it's not going to be meant as intended is it? (Admittedly I was editing the comment).
Doktor Avalanche by design IMHO as the points being made here afterwards have little relevance around it, they seem to be more about the personalities and polarization, rather than a calm and sensible discussion around software.
Here we go again. Please Avalanche, does it ever stop?
Only when the server's storage is full I would presume.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 16:39:39
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] TBH I seriously doubt that some of the people who obsess about bug fixes actually make any music themselves :) Music is the whole point of buying and using this software, not keeping track of bugs. Write some songs or talk about how you are making music with SONAR instead, which is the primary objective of this forum. It will be way more valuable to others than obsessing about the software.
I had to rub my eyes to be sure they weren't playing tricks on me when I read this the first time. With this particular post, you are not representing the company very well at all, Noel. Do you really, truly believe -- that people buy the software in order to complain about it, but never use it? Really? -- that a) trying to make music with Sonar, and b) encountering Sonar bugs in the process, are somehow wholly unrelated? -- that the "primary objective" of the forum is not to talk about bugs, but rather, is to talk about how one makes music with Sonar (avoiding mentioning bugs)? (If so, a lot of folks apparently didn't get the memo, and you'd better take a machete to the vast majority of posts here, because they are about problems users have, to which they seek solutions by coming here.) I'd urge you to reflect on how this comes across, because IMHO none of it holds water at all, and in fact reinforces the "CW as cult" caricature which you can read about elsewhere here, on Gearslutz, KVR etc. Coming from the CT0, no less -- to whom, I would have expected, knowing about and fixing bugs would be important -- it epitomises the kind of defensive denial which eggs on haters, but more importantly, gives legitimate pause to the more neutral folks who like, or want to like, Sonar, but wish it would work better, or at least as advertised. These are the people who need to be shown that Sonar is worth getting and sticking with.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 16:53:22
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I absolutely agree with lingyai. It is shocking to read statesments like that from Cakewalk staff and does a lot of damage to the reputation of the company. What is more, it absolutely destroyes trust in seeing improvements in the attitude of dealing with bugs. In the past, I submitetd some bug reports. Some of these bugs were actually fixed. But I take the word of Noel Borthwick and will make music - with other Software. It seems a complete waste time to deal with Cakewalk reading such comments.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 17:51:16
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CW reputation? amongst who? We have a few in this thread that think they speak for the masses I guess. And I absolutely agree with Noel... I have been a CW user since DOS, but no real attempt at learning how to really use it til Platinum. I didn't come to the forum back then and blame CW, which after all, was my lack of patience with the learning curve.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 18:02:10
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/11/22 18:54:59
I also agree with Noel. I think bug problems are brought up, but that isn't the real focus of these forums imo. Problems sure... (Scook usually to the rescue)... Look at the forum titles...even though Sonar gets the most hits... but being their flagship...eh, no wonder. I've learned MUCH more about techniques, answered work flow problems and about what's new, etc, etc.... rather than being made of aware of bug issues. When I see a Loooooong post with 1/2 of it usually by one member... (every third post or so??)... I usually sign off of it, as it has progressed into useless territory, in most cases.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 18:20:02
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] TBH I seriously doubt that some of the people who obsess about bug fixes actually make any music themselves :) Music is the whole point of buying and using this software, not keeping track of bugs. Write some songs or talk about how you are making music with SONAR instead, which is the primary objective of this forum. It will be way more valuable to others than obsessing about the software.
I had to rub my eyes to be sure they weren't playing tricks on me when I read this the first time.
With this particular post, you are not representing the company very well at all, Noel.
I guess you are missing the point... Let me explain that based on the video in your signature. Nice animation, nice song! Do you think something is wrong with that statement? I do not think so. At 1:22 I see destroyed video frame. Is it wrong to mention that? I do not think so. Does that destroy the impression from the song and the clip? No. Let say someone will write in the comment: "I have started to look the clip with pleasure, but at 1:22... man, you had to spend more for debugging before publishing that, that is not professional. I see the clip is loaded 2009! And the bug is still there!". How you are going to react on that? Do not forget, that Sonar IS the art work for Noel and other Cakewalk people. They know there are some bugs, and there is nothing wrong discussing that in this forum. But the style matters... My answers, based on many posts in this forum and my personal Sonar related project (Universal Control Surface plug-in): Do you really, truly believe -- that people buy the software in order to complain about it, but never use it? Really?
Yes, I believe such people exists. -- that a) trying to make music with Sonar, and b) encountering Sonar bugs in the process, are somehow wholly unrelated?
Finding bugs by occasion can happened, but if you try to make music and there is a workaround, that is not a show stopper. -- that the "primary objective" of the forum is not to talk about bugs, but rather, is to talk about how one makes music with Sonar (avoiding mentioning bugs)? (If so, a lot of folks apparently didn't get the memo, and you'd better take a machete to the vast majority of posts here, because they are about problems users have, to which they seek solutions by coming here.)
I believe this forum is to help people make music with Sonar. If there are some problems on that way, that is discussed here as well. But that does not change the "primary objective".
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 18:20:08
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charlyg CW reputation? amongst who? We have a few in this thread that think they speak for the masses I guess. I have been a CW user since DOS, but no real attempt at learning how to really use it til Platinum. I didn't come to the forum back then and blame CW, which after all, was my lack of patience with the learning curve.
I think that is unfounded. We have people who speak for themselves, but who are not True Believers or otherwise long-time devotees (e.g. have not been with CW since DOS days) and therefore, perhaps having a bit more emotional distance, can imagine that scolding paying customers who note legitimate faults might not be a great way to grow the business. Also please bear in mind that many of the folks posting here about bugs, actually -- unlike yourself, until recently -- have tried to learn the software. And they are finding problems in the process. No reason they or the problems should be dismissed.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 18:32:33
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] TBH I seriously doubt that some of the people who obsess about bug fixes actually make any music themselves :) Music is the whole point of buying and using this software, not keeping track of bugs. Write some songs or talk about how you are making music with SONAR instead, which is the primary objective of this forum. It will be way more valuable to others than obsessing about the software.
I had to rub my eyes to be sure they weren't playing tricks on me when I read this the first time.
With this particular post, you are not representing the company very well at all, Noel.
I guess you are missing the point... Let me explain that based on the video in your signature. Nice animation, nice song! Do you think something is wrong with that statement? I do not think so. At 1:22 I see destroyed video frame. Is it wrong to mention that? I do not think so. Does that destroy the impression from the song and the clip? No. Let say someone will write in the comment: "I have started to look the clip with pleasure, but at 1:22... man, you had to spend more for debugging before publishing that, that is not professional. I see the clip is loaded 2009! And the bug is still there!". How you are going to react on that?
I would reply that you get what you pay for ;-) i.e.,that my "product" costs you nothing to "use" except the time spent watching it, and while I welcome feedback, I didn't create it to please you. Whereas if you were a paying customer of mine ... now that would be very, very different. That difference is relevant here. I also think it is completely fallacious to compare the very many chronic bugs users experience -- you can read the threads as well as I can -- to a single bad frame in a video. But ymmv.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 19:13:34
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I confess, I did not read this entire post but would like to either add my 2 cents or +1 if someone else already brought this thought up on the updates. I have been using CW since the late 80s and I think it is the best DAW out there. I was always one of those that would wait a few weeks after a release before installing the new version if there wasn't a huge issue in the release (if you have been around for awhile, I am sure you remember the motor boating effect that plagued one of these releases). With that being said, the updates are coming out so fast now that I think the last update I did was Dorchester using this wait and see strategy. I think that I need to have more faith in these releases just to keep up with all the changes and goodies that have been added. That is all and keep up the good work bakers, Jim
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 20:01:56
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☄ Helpfulby jb101 2015/11/23 05:09:51
Please remember, this is about repetition of the same things over and over, not every complaint from users. It is the attitude as well. To imply there can be no or few negative comments is disingenuous. It is always easy to poke holes in a comment, and that is part of the issue. You miss the general point being made as you have found a perceived weakness in another "point" that wasn't made, so that rules ANY comment from that source invalid.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 20:12:21
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... and all of the poo-slingers risk being banished to the kiddie table for Thanksgiving dinner...
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 20:28:06
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bapu
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Doktor Avalanche
Doktor Avalanche it's more about the personalities than a discussion around software.
John T That's definitely true, though I think not in the way you intend to mean.
Well of course if you use half a quote it's not going to be meant as intended is it? (Admittedly I was editing the comment).
Doktor Avalanche by design IMHO as the points being made here afterwards have little relevance around it, they seem to be more about the personalities and polarization, rather than a calm and sensible discussion around software.
Here we go again. Please Avalanche, does it ever stop?
Only when the server's storage is full I would presume.
I think the FSF is on another server anyway so you are safe Bapu ;)
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 20:30:17
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On topic, I pay upfront, which best resembles how it used to be: pay an upgrade path, get fixes and new toys, and get on with your life. The only change is instead of waiting for the next yearly version, the fixes and goodies arrive sooner. Usually, the Producer/Platinum Sonar would be offered to similar level upgraders at around $129. Hopefully , this loyalty discount will continue.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 20:35:05
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mettelus ... and all of the poo-slingers risk being banished to the kiddie table for Thanksgiving dinner...
I always preferred that table actually ...
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 20:44:47
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mettelus ... and all of the poo-slingers risk being banished to the kiddie table for Thanksgiving dinner...
lingyaiI always preferred that table actually ... Doesn't wobble so much...
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 22:16:21
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I'm a completely new DAW beginner user who has been interested in getting Sonar for quite a long time. I've gotten used to paying for Adobe Creative Cloud via subscription for a few years now, so thanks to the subscription model from Cakewalk, it was easy and comfortable to get Sonar this way. As a PC enthusiast I expected and planned to get Sonar Platinum (having seen the subscription price in dollars), but being in Japan means that for all types of transactions we are always made to pay about 20 bucks or more than the actual exchange rate, which really adds up! So, I went with Sonar professional for now (subscription), which is probably sensible for a beginner hobbyist like me. I bought it yesterday. I bought a Focusrite 2i4 a couple of weeks ago, and I need to get a midi controller keyboard soon. At the moment I'm watching Sonar Explained (2015) video tutorial which is a great way to learn Sonar from scratch. (I'm used to watching many video tutorials over the years with Lynda.com, so again this is ideal.) So, yeah I'm 47 years old, and feel like a kid with my new DAW! I can't afford (or justify) some of the great synths out there like Rapture Pro, yet, but I'm learning the ropes first. On a side note, I wonder if anyone can recommend some good synths or VSTs to replicate Gary Numan type synth sounds? I can't afford extras like Omnisphere, but I can't help but get shivers when I here the typical Gary Numan type synth sounds, atmospheric pads, etc. Long story short, the subscription model is the reason why I'm now a Cakewalk Sonar customer. (Oh, and watching Cakewalk videos on YouTube with Brandon Ryan, etc. have also kept me interested over the years.) Thanks Cakewalk.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/22 22:25:37
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If the subscription provides more MONEY to Cakewalk so they can invest in their product, then it is a win-win. If it doesn't then I would support Cakewalk going to another model.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
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☄ Helpfulby jb101 2015/11/23 05:10:42
Well. I was going to just say - Better Off. But this thread has angered me. For the wrong reasons. So firstly, I am really liking the progress we have made through X1 till now, but I must admit, I am having more PC issues with SPLAT that I did with X3e, but I have also moved to Win10. Jamaica has caused me the most problems for some reason, with continual timing problems and crashes, making tracking difficult, and I am very much looking forward to Kingston!! So, I stick by that bit. Much better off. The features are worth the pain and I will get it sorted. What's not so better off, is that with this one thread, we (I am part of this community after all) have successfully chased away one of the greatest gifts to this forum, Craig, and now trying to do same to the CTO. I hardly ever get onto forums, but I know of no other forum that hosts such input from within, let alone at this level. I've been coming here for years. The help has been fantastic. Craig has been an immense help. I got an album out thanks to the help I received here since X3 from you lot. But, time and time again, I switch off for months, because of the continual toxic outpourings from one person. There was initial help, years ago. But even back then, I thought the person actually worked for Cake. Wasn't long before I realised my mistake, and since then, many re-berths of this person, has changed nothing. Assisting with identifying problems, and continually chewing out the people behind the product, are two very different things. And then to the community in general. Negative, insulting, commanding, and now, success?? Last word ?? I doubt it. Craig will survive. , But, God forbid that we do lose people like Craig, and access to people like Noel, because this forum might as well fall by the wayside. It's one of the things that make this DAW SO good IMO. My hat's off to the genuine people on this forum that attend so regularly and spend so much of their time assisting us with our recording. But, after all, that's all this is. A forum to share our interest, delights, problems, and discoveries, to assist the Cake community. It's not a place to force the company to bend to our will. And certainly not a place to grandstand yourself as the YODA off all things binary!!! Don't usually go into print with my thoughts, but finally had enough. Deal with the problem, bring back Craig if you can, and I will be back.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
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☄ Helpfulby jb101 2015/11/23 05:10:51
I love everything Cakewalk has done in the past year... it's an amazing gift, allows for more user input, easier spaced out learning... and except for wasting time reading perpetual garbage spewed from a select group of jerkball whiners  , I'm a very happy camper
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2015/11/23 09:33:51
>>Do you really, truly believe >>-- that people buy the software in order to complain about it, but never use it? Really? No I didn't mean that at all. The vast majority of our users buy and use our software because it is a useful tool to them or lets them be more creative. I didn't imply that nobody has issues. You read what you wanted to read in my post. >>-- that a) trying to make music with Sonar, and b) encountering Sonar bugs in the process, are somehow wholly unrelated? Again that's not at all what I said. We have a specific place for reporting issues and discussing them in context. See below. >>-- that the "primary objective" of the forum is not to talk about bugs, but rather, is to talk about how one >>makes music with Sonar (avoiding mentioning bugs)? (If so, a lot of folks apparently didn't get the memo, and >>you'd better take a machete to the vast majority of posts here, because they are about problems users have, >>to which they seek solutions by coming here.) That is correct - the primary objective of the SONAR forum has always been to discuss the use of the software rather than bugs or general software development opinions. Here is the "memo" right on the forums landing page: SONAR Discussion focused on the use of SONAR Producer, Studio, Essential and Base Problem ReportsA place to document verified problem reports regarding the use of Cakewalk products. As above we have specific places to discuss problem reports and a different place to discuss the use of the software. Here are some useful links to our forum guidelines for anyone who missed reading them. http://forum.cakewalk.com/Feedback-Loop-Handbook-Please-read-before-posting-m3151738.aspxWelcome to the Feedback Loop! This area of the forum is here specifically for sharing your ideas and reproducible problems. We do ask that this area is kept on-topic and focused. Discussions and questions about products will be moved to the appropriate forum. First, a few ground rules:Be courteous Be constructive http://forum.cakewalk.com/Code-of-Conduct-m3096118.aspx These forums have a reputation of providing a friendly environment to get help with Cakewalk products, discuss ideas, and connect with other members. Much of this is because our members treat each other with respect and courtesy, and we are dedicated to continuing this tradition.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/11/23 20:33:45
Notice in the list below that the words, "some" and "not always," occur regularly. If Cake had to have a team of QC sit there and click on every single possible combination of selections within features, whilst loading and changing through every 3rd party vendors plugins, to go with the afore mentioned every single combination of selections possible within the program? I have a feeling they'd need to charge about $2000 a year for membership to cover the staff required to do that. Instead Cake (and every DAW) offer a cheaper option. In this case a $150 a year membership (or less if you sit out a cycle,) with the understanding that users may encounter some problems, but that when they do, Cake will look into it and role out fixes for those issues. If some of these outside software devs can deliver a program for the same price or cheaper, with as many features as Sonar (or indeed more?) and having to interact with a bunch of 3rd party stuff at the same time?... Then what are you waiting for? Please release this DAW of all DAWs, that you are capable of delivering! I'll be sure to come onto your forum and chew out your quality team for every small hiccup we users encounter... Fixed issues in the upcoming release are: Drag copy (CTRL+drag) would not include controllers in the PRV when Select Controllers Along with Notes was enabled Waveforms were not displaying with Playback Timing Master set to None Scrolling didn’t always work as expected when editing events in Event List view Shift lasso was not extending selection in track view PRV Draw tool could behave unexpectedly with snap set to measure Bouncing MIDI clips would cause Controller data not to display in PRV Accessing properties dialog (right click) on notes would not work correctly in Staff View Audition of MIDI FX did not always work Painting problems could occur when scrolling in Console View Sample entry in the Snap to Grid module would not work initially Edit select functions were not actually selecting clips under common conditions Cropped clips would not draw correctly when dragged in the Track view ProChannel EQ interface had inconsistencies PRV Lasso select could unexpectedly select both Piano roll notes and drum pane notes MIDI cross talk could occur on an un-armed and focused MIDI track during loop recording Clip waveform was not drawing correctly with tempo changes Drag select would fail if hidden tracks were present in the project MIDI input ports could unexpectedly re-route when devices are added. "Dock in multidock" keyboard shortcut didn’t always work ProChannel modules would not load correctly from a cloned track. Under some conditions drag selecting a clip could crash SONAR Selecting tracks could fail in Track View if the view was scrolled VST Time info was reporting incorrect values for the nanoseconds field Drag ordering in the ProChannel FX chain could have unpredictable results Media Browser would stop previewing after 60 seconds Long project name display issue with Start Screen Audio engine dropouts could occur under certain conditions Normalize and Gain would not work when applied to audio clip under certain conditions The draw tool would not draw over CC lines in the Piano Roll View. Redo of Style Dial insert would draw the wrong GUI. Sends were not feeding side chain plugins when first launching projects Loop recording with Patch Points could cause sync issues with delay-compensated plugins Playing through a tempo change in a project could cause DXi input echo to become delayed German translation needed fixes VST3 plugins were not processing mono interleave correctly Some step sequencer clips could cause Sonar to stop or hang during playback Insert problems could occur with Track and Template insert; inserting multiple tracks should now be much faster Some VST3s (example: AIR Loom) had a significant input echo delay Multi-out synths combined with allow arm changes led to performance problems Playing projects in Playlists had delays Synth input recording was not working properly with allow arm changes enabled Allow arm changes was not functioning for audio Some VST3 plug-ins when panned could cause silent audio output Recording MIDI data could crash with automation write enabled Nudging clips could cause clips to disappear Multi-channel audio output was not working correctly with Vienna Pro VST3 Projects at idle were consuming CPU threads SONAR could hang when bouncing or exporting using real-time rendering. Delay compensated plug-ins could cause timing issues with MIDI playback Inserting Metric Halo plug-ins in FX bin could cause problems MIDI plug-in presets were not displaying in MIDI FX Audio export could cause crash when some hardware outs were muted Controller lanes would not update in PRV when switching between MIDI clips In some cases deleting synths from a synth rack could cause a crash Arpeggiator presets buttons would stop working after selecting other tracks SSL Nuendo VST3 plug-ins were not processing audio Drum Replacer would have inconsistent volumes during playback under certain scenarios Recurring scanning of certain plug-ins (i.e., iZotope RX and Ozone VSTs) *sarcasm* I think it's pretty clear that obviously no one is working on bugs, fixes or quality control! And I question each and every one of the QC team! Why aren't you guys sitting there clicking back and forth at a rate that might never be done under normal circumstances, in every available combination of selections/features, with every available combination of plugin sets possible, until you cause an error?
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 01:13:54
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I like it! Lots of great stuff this year... Now I guess we need to decide if we will pay again next year???
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 02:52:29
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I'm a dev however . . . . . I do not work on cakewalk software
And a collective sigh of relief rolls across the forums . . . . . . then a 'Thank God for that' is uttered by all in unison . . . . . Then the silence is shattered by a lone voice "You couldn't develop a cold in winter"
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 03:16:24
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Seriously Folks , What The Hell is Wrong with some of you people ? This forum is not meant to be the Freaking Roman Colosseum on Gladiator fight night . For me this forum has always been a place to learn new things relating to music production while using SONAR . Anyway , nobody here can Jack me up . When I want a dose of humility all I have to do is listen to some of the music I have done over the years … a person has got to learn somehow right ? Blaming it on the tools is a poor excuse . Kenny
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 03:48:48
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I'm with minority here. I can absolutely understand people who become crazy because of annoying bugs. And absolutely can't understand people who defend bugs, and yes, it is what many of you do. Oh, it is not a bug. Oh, maybe it is bug, but very small. Oh, you must be doing something wrong. Oh, you must learn better. Oh, you should do it other way, because there is only one right way to do it. Oh, I never saw any bugs. Oh, the tool is perfect and all problems is in your head. Oh, you must be bad musician, so you can't do music, and that is why you are sitting here and write about bugs. It is complete nonsense and waste of time. It looks stupid for me.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 04:44:39
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I can't be ars** to read a load of bickering. I just wanted to tack on the end here that I'm completely satisfied with Sonar, and the subscription model, and will of course be renewing.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 05:19:49
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☄ Helpfulby John 2015/11/23 06:41:46
I think we are better off. I upgraded whenever a new version was released, and will now "renew my membership" each year, so there is little or no difference financially for me. I do like being able to recommend the monthly scheme to students, so they can try out Sonar. Most of them stay with it, or change to yearly after they see what it is capable of. I think the monthly cycle is a great improvement, with new features and bug fixes coming in far greater numbers over the year, when compared to the previous model. Just make a list for yourselves. I welcome people reporting bugs, but do find a small, vocal minority's , barrack-room-lawyer badgering tiresome. I post here far less than I used to because of it, and recommend this forum far less to my students as well. It is the relentless nature of a very few forum members (one in particular) that bring this place down, and can not help improve either the software or this forum. I hope Craig returns soon, but understand his taking a break - it would try the patience of a saint. I also hope it improves before more people are put off, and we loose the interaction with dedicated and helpfull Cakewalk staff forever.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
2015/11/23 05:39:25
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charlyg Please remember, this is about repetition of the same things over and over, not every complaint from users. It is the attitude as well. To imply there can be no or few negative comments is disingenuous. It is always easy to poke holes in a comment, and that is part of the issue. You miss the general point being made as you have found a perceived weakness in another "point" that wasn't made, so that rules ANY comment from that source invalid.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off
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☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2015/11/23 09:05:18
I wasn't going to post in this thread because when it was very new it seemed to me there was only one possible answer. What some here are forgetting is that this past year has in a real sense seen nearly 12 years of development in less than one year. The monthly updates are a fantastic model for CW to have implemented. The fact they kept it on track without dropping a month is a true milestone. I am in awe of how CW has managed this. I will with out a doubt re-up when it is time to do so. There has been talk of people "defending bugs". I know of no such thing from anyone. The notion is preposterous on its face. No one is defending bugs here or elsewhere. What people are saying is bugs are fact of life that can not be fully removed because as one bug is killed another one takes its place. This is true of Sonar and all other software. Basic understanding of this will help ones own outlook on life and perhaps add years to ones life. Look around the internet and read any forum that is about software and it will have tons of posts about guess what, bugs. Expecting software to completely be bug free is expecting the impossible. The best one can hope for is that under most user situations bugs are not an issue. Those that keep harping on the same tired lines of there are bugs that need to be fixed will always have something to complain about. Its a form of job security. If its constantly a major part of all they talk about over time people will learn to tune them out. They lose the bully pulpit to repetition and familiarity. People will realize that they have heard that before and dismiss it as more of the same. Please don't worry about Craig or Noel. They are tough and have seen a great deal worse. Also one would hope that this forum will continue to be a light to all those using Sonar. The original question by the OP was a good innocent one in which he was simply asking what others think now about the model CW proposed way back last year. It seemed to me to a very easy question to answer. One not needing pages to get at a consensus. Yet here we are. I don't believe that those pointing out that bugs exist are trying to undermine CW or the morale of this forum. I believe they truly believe without them Sonar will deteriorate and it is their duty to always add some reference to a bug or two in any post that has the potential to be favorable to Sonar. Lest we forget! This thread should be all about praise for CW and all the people behind the company. They have pulled off one of the most remarkable innovations in software history.
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