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2015/11/17 09:43:48 (permalink)

As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off?

It takes time to adapt to change, and because of my involvement in other music communities facing the possibilities of going with subscription model I was wondering how this community feels about it after nearly a year.  From my standpoint, I like the Cakewalk model, especially as compared to the Adobe model if you're familiar with that.  In Adobe's world, you basically "rent" software, and when you give up your subscription, you lose complete access to the programs you were using.  To me, this seems crazy for people to like because let's face it, no one can predict the future.  Just because I can afford $9.95 a month (present pricing) for the Photographer package (which includes LightRoom and PhotoShop) doesn't mean I will always be able to afford it and after many years of using a proprietary format for photos and whatnot, leaving it behind might be a painful affair.

Contrasted with the Cakewalk model where you OWN the software after your year's subscription, and it's a clear win.  Even if you opt out for 2-3 years, if a new feature comes along you simply MUST have, you can opt back in and get everything that was added since your departure PLUS all the newest updates for a year's time.  What's not to like here, aside from the idea of perpetual costs?  But really, if you bought the latest SONAR every single year anyway, what's the difference?  And this doesn't even include the fact that (so far) we have gotten cool new toys every month or so instead of having to wait for them in a yearly mega release.

So how about you?  I hope this won't turn into a huge argument by asking, but how does everyone feel about the changes Cakewalk made now that you've had some some to digest the new model and all it brings to bear?
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 10:41:12 (permalink)
I am very happy with SPLAT and I think you pretty well summarized all the good points of the new subscription model. I will be resubscribing when my present one runs out.
 
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 10:45:17 (permalink)
I feel good with it and love the monthly updates.
I rent also the full East West Library, the full Adobe products, and commercial accounting Software, also online Storage.
So I like the rental model.
 

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 10:55:05 (permalink)
There is no Cakewalk subscription!
 
2015 was a GREAT year for S-Plat, IMO.

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 11:24:41 (permalink)
For me, it was all upside.  I made a single payment for a years worth of upgrades and have seen more positive changes with the product than I can ever remember in the past.  Craig Anderton also continues to make excellent contributions here on the forum and with the product itself.  I will definitely renew when the time comes.

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 11:27:17 (permalink)
I couldn't be happier with this model. It is the only way I could have afforded Plat....and the goodies are  the cherry on top.

 
 
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 11:31:33 (permalink)
For me, my worries expressed back in the summer still stand. The positives are that the upgrade price that I paid has been worthwhile for the bug fixes, and the small selection of updates from X3 Producer to Sonar Platinum. The negatives are that I also got inconvenienced with new bugs introduced as changes happened (mostly in the early months, to be fair), and neither the new features nor the new content has been of much interest to me*. (Aux tracks would have been an exception, although currently my workflow makes them essentially unusable, which is a real shame.) Meanwhile, other things I care about were apparently not on the agenda - step sequencer and matrix view fixes/improvements, MIDI chase, split-with-auto-crossfade, cleaning up or clarifying lasso and area selection (especially when take lanes and folders are involved), some sort of arranger view or equivalent functionality, a usable drum map manager dialog, ProChannel being integrated into the main Track View pane, etc.
 
Looking forward, seeing what was delivered over the last year, and with the 'up next' part of the Rolling Updates page appearing sadly quiet and certainly devoid of anything I want, it's hard for me to justify paying the same price again to take that gamble.
 
But, since the model is one where I basically own the software after paying for a year, it's not really a problem. I'll probably just sit back and see what happens, and jump back in if I see a future upgrade worth paying for.
 
(*I think I use one of Anderton's guitar amp sim presets somewhere, and 3 MIDI clips from Addictive Drums 2... that's about all.)

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 11:55:34 (permalink)
I consider it a splurge since I can't really justify it from a financial standpoint. I see nothing wrong with a splurge. I'm not a studio bringing in revenue so anything I spend on it is the expense of the hobby. I'm happy that I am getting what I feel is a real value in that I get updates and additions that would cost more seperately. I think the model is helping the software to get better and better, although it probably puts a ton of responsibility on the bakers to deliver a different improved quality product every month.
 
I think the motivation for the model was partly financially motivated to keep the bakers afloat.
 
When a person can get into something like Reaper for $60.00 for life it's tough to convince anyone who hasn't used the software. I actually came off looking like a DAW snob in another forum because I said I thought Reaper wasn't as good as Sonar Platinum.I think the future will hinge on this very thing.....Sonar is more expensive than some of the others in the end. Is the extra expense worth it to you? If the regular income stream helps to make better software the expense can be justified. So far I believe this is the case. It isn't about expense as much as value for the money in my thinking.
 
At some point we should see a really large gap between something like Reaper and Sonar. The next closest competitors are Cubase, Pro Tools and Studio One 3...only one of those offers anything similar. The other two are great DAWS. If they make it appear like they throw in "free" updates some will think Sonar looks like less of a bargain. In reality there are no free updates. Somebody pays...only we pay up front for it. Presonus has a large hardware sector to lean on for income, Cakewalk has Tascam, Gibson and KRK. It looks like a pretty level playing field. Selling software also helps to sell hardware...so there's a lot at stake. Studio One hasn't yet opted for a monthy model but they might. Reaper will likely still be around but will be a lot more utilitarian.
 
.....sorry didn't intend to sound like I'm pontificating :) Just thinking out loud. I won't be leaving the Sonar camp any time soon....sorry guys :)  It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out.
 
 

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 11:57:47 (permalink)
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For me, it was all upside.  I made a single payment for a years worth of upgrades and have seen more positive changes with the product than I can ever remember in the past.  Craig Anderton also continues to make excellent contributions here on the forum and with the product itself.  I will definitely renew when the time comes.


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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 12:07:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jimfogle 2015/11/21 20:51:54
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Presonus has a large hardware sector to lean on for income, Cakewalk has Tascam, Gibson and KRK. It looks like a pretty level playing field.

 
FWIW all Gibson Brands are separate divisions that are accountable for their own profits and losses.

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 12:14:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jimfogle 2015/11/21 20:51:42
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When a person can get into something like Reaper for $60.00 for life it's ...



Not to pick nits, but Reaper licensing isn't $60 for life.  There are two levels of pricing, and the license is good for the current and subsequent major version.  This still turns out to be a pretty good deal, but it's not for life.

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 12:32:02 (permalink)
I think the program is great and while I may not use every new item that is presented they are available should I need them for future projects. I like looking forward to the monthly updates and have utilized many in my current projects. The forum and community here is great and a good way for Cakewalk users to communicate and share.  I am very satisfied with the program and look forward to new developments.
 
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 12:47:59 (permalink)
Platinum for me is an improvement. For me I thought the break off from Roland was a positive. Splat certainly started off with a bang and it's certainly better with Gibson.

Sure the monthly updates are better than X3 and before, sadly however the QA results seem to be about the same. I don't expect bakers to find every issue, QA is hard, the product is complex, it's impossible to find everything. Heck I did it as a job for several years in silicon valley, I should know, and I know part of the model has to be the customers end up being the beta testers, that's fine by me. It's a fact of life we all must deal with if we want good and cheap software. But I still do question the model of releasing unstable or buggy software with bug fixes at the same time.

Monthly is great if all we are is beta testers, and some people want to be, and that is fine by me. The situation we have now basically. But for the rest of us, we want to run on stable releases, and there needs to be another path for us to follow. If there was a situation where there were additional stability releases every quarter with a feature freeze, a true alternative path to follow, that would be a huge improvement. That could run in parallel or part of the normal cycle. Whatever...

To say that there is no demand for stability releases (as has been stated only recently) is a ridiculous statement. This is audio software we are talking about. Some of us just want to spend time recording without issue.

Of course the arguement would be you can simply roll back, this is true and is a good feature... However..

a) We are still put into the position of having to be beta testers whether we want to or not when we upgrade. That's a pita when all some of us want to do is record, and with paying customers is a big no no.

b) Rolling back may resolve an issue, but just leaves us with other different bugs to cope with. You takes yer choice.

So in summary yup it's better, but something seriously needs to be done to improve the current situation. Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 12:48:33 (permalink)
Actually just happened to open Sonar 4 Producer the other day,looked and clicked around in it for a few minutes, exploring things that I have gotten use to in the Platinum version, and found myself saying  wowwww.  And to think that back then I thought Sonar 4PE was more usable for me than the DAW's that were out at that time (specific to my style and flow of working of course).
Even looking back on X3e (very good version). 
That being said, I must admit, I think the way that the new system flows, rollouts, updates, features ect, This model is working very well for me, the program (Platinum) is almost invisible,letting me just focus on the work and not the deficiencies (not that I can state any at the moment) of the program (I guess it's relative to your priorities and what's important you workflow wise. Rolling updates, I find them to be a much more added and nice "bonus". I am not one to update immediately on every update rollout (that's just me), and try to avoid the "let me play with the new toys syndrome that can be a trap at times. My way to deal with that is to try and not update until I have finished the current open projects that I am working from the previous version (unless the new update has something in it that will definitely benefit my workflow on current projects). I'm actually still on "G" Glouchester and trying to get these projects out of the way in anticipacion for the next update which I have a feeling will be a nice step up from Glouchester for me (my personal opinion).  We could never argue about a personal matter of taste. For some it's working and for some it's not (reality).
I don't see the payment option structure as a huge difference from the option I had before, which is to be able to buy sonar straight out the gate and own it and whatever comes out on rolling updates in that 12 month period, and then consider after 12 if I want to do it again. I am one who skipped updates before the new model anyway (Started in Sonar 4PE >> Sonar 8PE>> Sonar X2 PE >>Sonar X3e PE>>Sonar Platinum) as needed for my workflow as opposed to new toys . Although i am not against new toys, finishing work is my priority and sometimes new toys can lead to sidetracking (thats just me, not a rule i would demand be law for everyone).
Short answer: Yes, after a little less than 12 months, I would say we are better off (Great Product).
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 12:55:52 (permalink)
For me its an overall positive. I don't mind the subscription model and to Cakewalk's credit, you do get to own the software (unlike many other vendor's models). The software IMHO has improved, though not all of the improvements are important to me. In general I stay with Sonar because I like the way things are going. 

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 12:58:41 (permalink)
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 13:16:23 (permalink)
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Presonus has a large hardware sector to lean on for income, Cakewalk has Tascam, Gibson and KRK. It looks like a pretty level playing field.

 
FWIW all Gibson Brands are separate divisions that are accountable for their own profits and losses.




I stand corrected...If all is owned by the same entity one could help the other correct? I want to see Cakewalk successful on it's own just the same. Hopefully all can work together to help the others. Tascam could throw in an intro copy of Sonar...Sonar can offer a discount on KRK's. Isn't that kind of thing in the works? This is more of an indirect approach.
 
BobF in reference to the Reaper comment. I seen it was 60.00 to get a license and updates were "free". Wasn't Reaper at one time a single fee? If not I'm sorry for the misinformation...even Reaper is getting slightly more expensive. 
 
In any case, it seems to come down to customer loyalty, product quality and satisfaction over price. I will spend more for a better product every time.We sometimes only hear the squeaky wheel here on the forums. There are many more who are contented and loving Sonar that you never hear from. Having said that, from my end of things, if Sonar became much more expensive in the future I would be looking at other options. I record mostly acoustic instruments and dabble in Kontakt.....I'm not a power user by any stretch, but I'm loving the things the bakers are doing.
 
 

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 13:35:46 (permalink)
I couldn ´t be happier with  Splat,
the monthly updates are wonderful and offer a lot of
workflow enhancments to me.
I got  Splat for a small yearly amount 
and take in hand not to upgrade - like every year, and than ....
It deepends on what a new  Sonar  version offers.
Splat offers more than enough for my needs.
 
 
 
 
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 14:29:38 (permalink)
I pre-paid my subscription and feel I got a great bang the buck right out of the gate with what was being offered. Aux tracks and patch points are huge imo. I'm not crazy about the CCC as it doesn't recognize much of what I had previously installed even though the folder path is correct. Year 1 was pretty good, I look forward to what's coming but I'll only renew if something big comes along.
 
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 14:30:10 (permalink)
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To say that there is no demand for stability releases (as has been stated only recently) is a ridiculous statement. 


Of course that's ridiculous. Everyone wants stable software, and it's clear some months have concentrated more on fixes or more on features. But it's also unwise not to satisfy those clamoring for more features. Cakewalk learned that the hard way when SONAR 2015 was introduced.
 
I think no one would dispute that out of the gate, SONAR 2015 was much more stable than X3 because so much emphasis was placed on "under the hood" work between versions. However, there were people who felt the new features in 2015 were "underwhelming." If they can't see that fixes were made, or if the fixes relate to issues that didn't impact them, as far as they're concerned there's no perceived value to the update. And if X3 worked for them, they wouldn't update unless they saw new features, or took it on faith that when people in the forums said 2015 was more stable, those stability fixes would create a better experience. They wouldn't know it was a better experience unless they updated, which they wouldn't do sans new features.
 
To me the biggest advantage of the monthly releases in terms of fixes is that they're ongoing, they don't stop after 5-6 months or whatever it took for X3 to stop doing fixes. Yes, of course bugs will be introduced with new features...but again, unlike the big yearly update where all features hit at once and it can take months to squash everything, it really does seem that if there's a bug introduced in a release it's fixed in the next one, sometimes even with a hotfix that occurs within weeks. This to me is far preferable to the old model, which also of course didn't have the option to roll back...so whatever bugs you had were there until Cakewalk could fix them.
 
What would make the system better is more resources for QC but that's a chicken and egg situation. The more people who sign up for membership, the more resources become available. Paradoxically, those who harp publicly and repeatedly on what's lacking in SONAR drive potential users away from the program, thus making it more difficult to fix the issues about which they complain, so then they complain more. As in other aspects of life, negativity begets negativity.
 
Of course negative issues should not be ignored, and obviously, a lot of the fixes have been driven by forum comments. But ongoing repetition of the same laundry list of issues is counter-productive. Fixes are prioritized based on multiple factors, including perceived good for the greatest percentage of active users, timing (there's no point in fixing a bug if the functionality is going to be changed in the near future), feasibility, whether or not a workaround exists for an issue (it makes more sense to prioritize issues that don't have a workaround), and impact on time that would preclude developing new features in order to remain competitive and satisfy those who don't have stability problems and want more features. 
 
Now, for some comments on features as a SONAR user who depends on it for my livelihood. What I like most about the monthly updates is being able to absorb a limited number of features at a time, and choose whether or not to include them in my workflow. I find it far less disruptive to learn a little bit every month than a whole lot every year.
 
I've also noticed that few of the new features are "global" features I use all the time in every project. Instead, they are more targeted...there are some projects where VocalSync is essential, some where Mix Recall is essential, sometimes I'm on a laptop and need the virtual controller, Drum Replacer I haven't used all that much but when I have, it's been essential and made a huge improvement...some plug-ins need upsampling, some don't...etc. So I see the new features more like new tools in the toolset than fundamental reworkings of the program.
 
 

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 15:04:44 (permalink)
Stability has improved, in my experience. There are still issues (like sporadic NaN-like behavior when using plugins in Pro Channel FX bins), but all in all, Sonar's stability has caught up to Cubase, while maintaining superior performance. I've even seen a bug I reported in 8.5 get fixed - psyched!
 
That said, much user experience work is still needed. ACT is still a nightmare to set up (that screen looks medieval!) The need inability to use track inspector and ProChannel at the same time is annoying. I have always felt Cakewalk has a preoccupation with features at the expense of user experience, and this seems to remain unchanged.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 15:12:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby williamcopper 2015/11/19 20:46:35
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Paradoxically, those who harp publicly and repeatedly on what's lacking in SONAR drive potential users away from the program, thus making it more difficult to fix the issues about which they complain, so then they complain more. As in other aspects of life, negativity begets negativity.


And the quote above is one such example. This is what breeds negativity. Your opinions are right others are wrong. People must be loyal. If they aren't with us they are against us etc. We have the moral highground. They are screwing up Sonar. That's what it implies. BS to that. We are talking about software. The topic is 'As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off? ' let's stick to that please.

Nobody here was talking about laundry lists, but as you are (topic??), these lists have been around a long time and are pointing to problem issues which have been brought up by DIFFERENT users. They are just lists. You seem you want to attach some sort of blame on people compiling them as though somehow they are the reason these problems exist. In effect you are basically stating you would prefer them to be buried. You seem to imply that these are somehow 'personal' lists. Not what I did I just wrote down ALL the reproducable bugs that came into these forums at the time, not just the bugs I 'liked'.

Perhaps you feel the same about the feature requests forums as well, maybe that should be dismantled as well as all it is a list ?

You should note I stopped creating lists a while back because I figured the problem reports forums would superseed it and it was no longer required, and it would get the community involved. However, as all can see, loads of reproduced issues just hang around there and get buried. I guess that's preferred, community more or less abandoned it, hosts don't really maintain it. Bakers hardly come along. And I can't be bothered to create lists any more mainly because of all the crap I got.

Sorry to be so 'negative'.
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 15:18:58 (permalink)
I'm very happy with the program since Gibson got involved. It's obvious that this company is really trying to connect with customers and that counts in my world. I don't think that all the new features are a bad thing, but I do find that my brain can't keep up with the rate of change as a hobbyist. Pro's are likely finding it easier working with it 8 - 12 hours a day.
 
There are still some basic functions that seem buggy to me, such as take lanes and clip handling. They are probably working fine but I keep messing up with them. I'd love to be able to turn off features but it seems that if you roll back to avoid something you don't like, then you have to give up things you do like. So we get the good with the bad. Cakewalk is trying to balance between those that expect and want constant change and those that want long term issues to be fixed. It can't be easy.
 
I will likely be downgrading in January from Platinum to Professional because there were very few exclusive Platinum features added. I think there were 2 so far, with drum replacer and vocal sync. I've picked up a 3rd party plug to replace the fly-out Quad Curve EQ so maybe I'll save a few bucks next year.
 
I'll give Cakewalk a B+ for 2015.

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 15:53:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/11/17 19:31:53
Slightly unhappy. I thought X3 was really good and hoped that Sonar 2015 would really concentrate on workflow enhancements. I did upgrade and have given Sonar a year. I was very close to switching DAWs at that point. I wish that ACT was overhauled and take lanes improved. Also(dare I type it) drum map too. I was hoping for some menu rearranging like putting insert measures in the insert menu and having a join clips instead of bounce to clips Which is non intuative to new users. Aux tracks look cool but there is no easy as to view all the
routing.
i appreciate the bug fixes etc but Sonar has always been a "look at the new feature!" kind  company and frankly I don't need any new features.
at this point I will wait for the improvements I need before purchasing the next update.

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 16:21:12 (permalink)
The first year has been a challenge to keep up with new features in the updates every month. I do feel that the new stuff has trickled down so there is less new features than fixes. It will be interesting to see if the monthly upgrades can be kept up consistently over time for the next year and beyond.
I often feel as though I am not getting as much work done because of upgrading so often which has been a switch. I do, however, give the new ownership the thumbs up for their efforts this year and wait anxiously for the next year!!!

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 16:25:19 (permalink)
As with many things, it all comes down to individual preferences, what type of work you do, how you use the program, etc. I for one REALLY like the new monthly update model, and I'm a big fan of the features that have been introduced since X3.  Bar none, patch points take the cake.  I would've dumped $200 into a new version of the software for that feature alone.  Some of the new features and content I don't need or expect to use at all, but who's to say that someday I won't?
 
There has been much discussion about certain elements that haven't seen much (if any) improvement, but I personally don't really use them anyway, so from my vantage point, I'm happy with the direction Cakewalk is going.  Likewise, aside from the goofy toolbar issue a while back, none of the bugs introduced with new updates have affected me either.  On the other hand, there are so many different ways to use Sonar, and for some people, the bugs did cause some workflow problems.  And features I personally don't use could be very important to someone else's workflow, so I can understand how limited attention to lacking features could really frustrate some.
 
do think that because of the monthly update schedule, the bakers are implementing new features/fixes much more quickly than they did with a yearly release schedule, and some of the new developments seem to be a direct result of feedback from this very forum.  For example, there was discussion quite a while back about allowing the bus pane to live with the track pane, and initial response from Cakewalk was that it wasn't really a necessary feature since the existing track/bus architecture worked fine.  But after more discussion, a few months later the patch point feature was announced, which addressed that particular request and opened up a ton of routing flexibility that wasn't there previously.  Maybe Cakewalk got a lot of feedback outside of this forum and saw that there was a larger user base that wanted more flexible routing options, but I like to think at least some of what we discussed on the forum led to the implementation of that new feature.  It really does feel like Sonar is evolving based in large part on user feedback, and that's a pretty awesome thing in my book.
 
I am curious to see what may be in store for upcoming releases, but at this point I'm definitely inclined to drop another year into Sonar.  I'm diggin' it.

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 16:26:47 (permalink)
I am very satisfied with how SONAR has developed (for me) during this past year. I have not had any crashes in months. I could be down to me not using SONAR to its fullest potential... But I like to be able to take in new features a little at the time, and I am no means getting to the bottom of the feature list in SONAR Platinum.
(I have only one issue in SONAR all together, and it is with the Saturation Knob, in Console View on second monitor, but only while mounted above my main monitor. And I have a workaround for it, so it is no biggie for me.)
Will I renew next year? My heart says yes, and my head / wallet seems to agree 
I am really looking forwards to the continuation of the development of SONAR. Who knows what is in store for the future.
All the best to all the best

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 16:38:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/17 17:18:44
I very much look forward to each month's release and poke around with the new features kind of obsessively until I figure them out and how to make use of them with what I do now. I'm no pro so I often find myself at a loss at how to get from point A to point B, so I tend to use a lot of the tools in ways that maybe the developers didn't have in mind. Turns out that a lot of features re-purpose very nicely.
 
For example, I don't use vocal sync too much to sync vocals, but it's a peach for lining up dual harmony guitar parts. In addition to tidying up vocals, I use Melodyne's percussive mode quantizing to fix our drummer's timing mess-ups and to nudge bass and guitar parts around. And I've used drum replacer on a bass track as a way to generate midi triggers for adding cool percussion parts that lock in with the rhythm section.
 
Now it's likely that you professionals out there do things this way too, or maybe you know the "right" way to do those things, but I personally appreciate the incredible flexibility of Sonar. Everything I need to make pro quality music is right there, in the box, and the box seems to get bigger every other month or so, which I dig enormously.
 
Oh, and I also use the heck out of the library of PC profiles Craig Anderton developed, just so you know that I appreciate the value-add content very much, and I hope they keep coming.
 
So yeah, I'm in it for the long haul until my wife raises too much of a stink about this expensive little hobby.
 
Kevin
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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 16:49:01 (permalink)
I'm in a different boat from most other users.  I'm an amateur with very limited musical training, but I have passions for music and technology.  I'm a feature junkie.  I'm inspired by new techniques and new sounds, and I really like learning how to do things in SONAR.
 
That said, i was dumbfounded to find myself in the same boat as CA when it comes to one reason for really loving the monthly update model:
Anderton
I find it far less disruptive to learn a little bit every month than a whole lot every year.

This approach helps to focus my exploration.  It prompts me to learn aspects of the tools I might not have used much before.  It quells my tendency to spend money on new plug-ins and samples, and I'm less likely to haphazardly haunt the seedy halls of half-baked hard-drive clutter (freebies).
 
I give the new approach two big thumbs up because, well, that's all I have.  
 
 

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Re: As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off 2015/11/17 16:57:55 (permalink)
How will I be notified when my year is up?
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