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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/17 12:51:54 (permalink)
yes, I saw the post before this but I can't get to all youtube material from work, so I wasn't able to open it, and even then, you already admitted that it wasn't as good after the youtube compression anyway.

I can't say anything about the comparison between the behringer and the tascam because I've never owned a tascam unit (and never will).  but I have owned a behringer mixer before and the mic pres on it were extremely harsh sounding, that's why I got rid of it.

I seriously doubt you'll get "warmth" from a 2 channel behringer premp.  I could be wrong, but I personally would not spend money on a 2 channel behringer dedicated preamp if I were looking for "warm character" to add to my input stage.

the m-audio dmp-3 is a very good preamp for the money!  but again, I would not recommend it to you for adding "warmth"!!!  it's not a "warm" preamp, it's a "clean" transistor only pre!

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DMP3/

check out the reviews - the very first review is titled "Super Clean Preamp"

if you want "warmth" you need either a tube pre or a transformer pre.  there are different types of those.

1) starved plate tube pre.  this is a preamp which splits the signal and adds clean transistor gain from one path, and sends the other path to a starved plate voltage tube.  you won't get gain out of the starved plate leg of the circuit, but it will add "tube warmth" which can usually be added in increments of how much is mixed back into the final output stage.  these starved plate designed preamps are very affordable and a great way to add some "tube warmth" to your input signal.

these are the least expensive way to "warmth" in the path.  look at an ART Tube MP Studio V3 for about $80 or Studio Projects VTB1 for about $150, or the one I have for starved plate and I really like is the ART TPS II for about $185.

2) a real tube preamp.  these are "old school design" of using tubes for the actual gain stage of the amplifier.  they are the best design for true tube preamp gain, but they are also expensive in the realm of home recording.  they start at around $800.  (look for a UA610 SOLO for about $800)

3) transformer designed preamp.  there are many, many different "colors" and variations, with many different configurations of transformers on input and/or the output gain staging.  different transformers and different designs of transformers will create different "color" to the signal.  there are no real "categories" to put them in except some of them are "Neve clones" which they design them to be as close to a (famous) Neve 1073 pre as possible.

most of the transformer designed pres are also expensive for the home recordist.  most start at $500 (and there are few in the $500 to $1k range) but there are a FEW "inexpensive" transformer pres like the Golden Age Audio re 73 which is a Neve 1073 clone that retails for $300.  (I have one!)  also look at the focusrite isa one for about $500.

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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/17 13:35:56 (permalink)
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Have you tried Nyquist EQ? It's a free download, and is wonderful for precise sound shaping. 
  
 
In response to this, I have not tried it, and would need a lesson on how to use it.  Right now, I am proficient in rolling off low end and in cutting out the tinny mids that are the hallmark of this Ovation. 
 
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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/17 14:12:37 (permalink)
There are all sorts of pre amps in prices from under $100 to well over $1000 and the quality varies as do the tonal characteristics.

You can also find some software "tube warmer" plugs, probably for free ...which is here I'd head first.

Also, back to what I said earlier.... learn the software before you go dumping serious money into other gear & software chasing that elusive sound.  If you could hear some of my early stuff compared to now, the main difference is what I have learned in the interim has made a world of difference in the sound.

But don't let that stop you from buying a nice preamp for the mic if that's what you really want. 

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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/17 14:26:35 (permalink)
Check this out  Voxengo tube amp  although it's a tube amp for guitar... read the testimonials and there are comments there that it can be used on acoustic instruments and vocals to impart some old fashioned tube warmth.

It's free,  so what do you have to loose?

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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/17 14:52:59 (permalink)
Maybe I do want clean so that I can turn up the gain and have nothing but acoustic sound. . .   I guess I need to experiment.
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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/17 14:58:22 (permalink)
That IS the key. Try things, see what works and what doesn't.  Repeat what works in future projects. Try not to repeat what doesn't.

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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/20 23:07:39 (permalink)
40msec is a good amount to work with (depending on the material, the tempo, the time signature, yada, yada...) and panning them hard will help reduce the effects of comb filtering (when listening in stereo) and might not even be perceptable to anyone.  

there are too many variables, but it's very possible that you, me, or even Dan Lavry could not detect it in a mix.  but it is still there. 
 

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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/20 23:38:01 (permalink)
Forty ms sucks. That's way too much latency.
 
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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/21 07:52:03 (permalink)
he's a spammer.  he gave some "semi-relevant" comments in his other 5 posts but he's only here to peddle his wares.  (pun intended!)

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Re:Basic EQ and Effects Question 2011/05/23 09:54:12 (permalink)
Well, after much consideration, I ended up buying the Rode NT-4 stereo mic, because it suits my home studio needs and my desire to record directly to the Camcorder. I am very impressed with its fidelity at both the low and high end (understanding that I play a sonically challenged Ovation), and can't wait until my Eastman arrives so I can try the two together.

I recorded two James Taylor songs last night direct to the camcorder, no e.q., reverb, or anything.

Please let me have your constructive criticism. I know my voice is straining on the chorus to Secret O Life, but that's lack of practice for you . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TKOZUPI7cA (You Can Close Your Eyes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsGt8uLVr8 (Secret O Life)
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