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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 12:36:22
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Have you opened the control surface menu option and made sure that the correct MIDI port for both out and in are selected? The "Connecting...." message is what you get when Sonar's looking at the wrong port for it.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 13:04:13
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Yep, they are absolutely set correctly. I've even tried other ports as well and always get the same result. Is there a system reset option for the BCF2000?
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 13:20:30
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I'm beginning to think something is hosed in the BCF. When it boots up, it always comes up in the mode NCSo. It pretty much seems locked up to me. If I move a slider, it resets it back to 0, I can't enter the global setup by pressing EDIT and STORE. In fact, I can't get it to do ANYTHING at all. I've tried re-flashing the firmware with either 1.07 or again with 1.10. I select the firmware file and it comes up with a window asking me to select the device to update (which is good). However, I select the device and the application terminates without any error messages. Meanwhile the BCF2000 just sits there with NCSo in the window. :(
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 14:22:34
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OK, some progress... I was able to get the unit to reset itself. I had to go into a different emulation mode, then go into global options, then set the mode to standalone 1. When I fire up sonar, the BCF shows pan mode and I can press the various buttons to switch modes. As I do, the sliders move up and down. As I move the sliders on the BCF, they move in Sonar. The shuttle buttons move back and forth. PROBLEM: I cannot play any audio with the Behringer turned on! When I press play, I see the midi outs on the hub light up very quickly, I hear a little audio pop, and the transport stops. If I leave Sonar, turn off the BCF, and restart Sonar, I can play audio with no problems. SECONDAR (MINOR) PROBLEM: Even though I have it set, just touching a fader does not select the track. QUESTION: How do you get the BCF to run busses instead of tracks? Thanks guys! I'm hoping the light at the end of the tunnel is not a train! :)
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 14:45:39
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Regarding the unit sitting there showing NCso and doing nothing excpet snapping faders to zero. That is perfectly normal while Sonar isn't recognising it. Once you get it working in Mackie mode to control busses you need to set the unit to buss mode which is done by pressing shift 1 (top left button in the main button section on the right hand side) at the same time as the button to the right of it. Shift 2 with this button sets it to Main Outs mode and on it's own is back to track mode. When you get it working properly open the controller property page where you get set various options including some of the F-button functions etc. If you press F1 with the property page open you'll get to the Mackie Mode helpfile. 99% of this will work with the BCF. You can also visit the behringer website where you can not only download the virtual LCD (BCView) but also print out your own overlays. I printed mine out on a good photo paper and a little bit of time with a sharp craft knife, some double sided stick tape, a steady hand, and a good dose of patience resulted in a real neat looking overlay where I can instantly see what controls what. The BCF is a steep learning curve to begin with, and I'm first to admit I initially wondered why I'd bothered buying it - BUT once you get used to it and have learnt the common keypresses you use most and have it customised how you want it I promise you'll fly round it and forget what a mouse is. Regarding installation see my reply on the other thread if you haven't already. http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.asp?m=1621250
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 15:00:08
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Hi FBB, I read your other post too, thank you! It's nice to have the support. Time is limited, and I hate spending so much on getting gear to work. I have installed/removed the drivers many times. But yeah, the USB stuff is giving me fits. I'm going to check my BIOS and see if I disabled legacy USB support - maybe that's a factor. The switching between tracks and busses works GREAT, thank you! I got the F1 help for the Mackie up and will read all of that. Now, the fundamental problem seems to be that I can't play any audio with the Behringer on. The BCF seems to be working fine, but it's stopping Sonar from playing. When I press play, I get a millisecond of sound and movement of the transport, the midi outs get from the pc spammed briefly, and the transport stops. It's like the Behringer is sending a stop command. If I can get over this HUGE issue, I think I'll be in good shape!
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 15:11:06
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ORIGINAL: smallstonefan Now, the fundamental problem seems to be that I can't play any audio with the Behringer on. The BCF seems to be working fine, but it's stopping Sonar from playing. When I press play, I get a millisecond of sound and movement of the transport, the midi outs get from the pc spammed briefly, and the transport stops. It's like the Behringer is sending a stop command. If I can get over this HUGE issue, I think I'll be in good shape! I seem to remember having this problem, bad news is I can't remember how I fixed it.  I'll get my brain racking and see what I come up with. Have you tried raising your mixing latency slightly? I'll get back to you if/when I remember. Sorry, I know that's not much help to you right now.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 15:47:22
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 16:20:43
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Thanks FBB. I just went and read all those threads over again but didn't find any clues to my audio being unplayable. If you can remember, please let me know! I'll keep fiddling with things...
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 16:49:49
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SUCCESS!!!!!! I had to put the unit into S4 mode - I was using S1 and that didn't cut it. The only thing that doesn't appear to be working is that touching a fader doesn't select the track. I have that option checked, but it's now working. I can live with that though! On to video 2 and confirming everything is right. thanks again FBB - this has been a seriously frustrating experience and I appreciate your help.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/01 17:00:46
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No problems, glad you fixed it - now you can get on with making music. Don't know what would be stopping the touch fader to select track, it does work.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/02 08:07:00
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smallstonefan - sorry I didn't reply sooner. In my case, I'm not using the BCF via midi cables - I'm doing it via USB, so I honestly don't know what mode I'm in at the moment. Glad to hear you got past that. The select track thing should be working...when you say "touch" a fader, you know that really means move one in the behringer world, though you so barely have to move it that it feels like touch sensitivity (as long as you aren't fighting automation). Have you tried to "flip the bit"? Meaning, change the setting to be not enabled, OK out of the panel, then go back in and change it back TO enabled. To my knowlege, there is no other setting to change. I'd be interested to know what happens if you go USB - not that you need to stay that way, but as a troubleshooting mechanism. See if everything works there and at least that would help eliminate variables.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/02 11:19:28
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Hi Blades, Thanks for chiming in! If I barely move the fader it does select the track, thanks. I guess I don't really consider that "touching" the fader, but Behringer can call it what they want I suppose. :) For some reason, when I go USB Sonar won't show me the MIDI OUT for the Behringer. It's doing that for my keyboard as well, so I suspect something's wrong. Regardless, I have a MIDI hub and it's working that way so I'm functional. The BCFView even works through MIDI so I think I am all good. This was a HUGELY frustrating event. Your videos really helped, as did the comraderie here. Thanks to all that helped! I look forward to some serious mixing over the next few weeks. I've only played with the unit but it looks like it will be worth all of the hassels. I'm currently setting up my busses to make it easy to do final mixes with the Behringer. PS: Do you ever get tired of watching the sliders snap into place?
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/02 15:22:36
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I guess I don't really consider that "touching" the fader, but Behringer can call it what they want I suppose. :) Well, technically, Behringer doesn't call it that. You are reading MAckie's wording, and in the case of an MCU, they ARE touch sensitive. The Behringer is not, but that little movement simulates it. The Behinger unit is not advertised as touch sensitive - it's another of those little things that make it $199.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/02 17:41:58
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That makes perfect sense, thanks for clearing that up! I really really really wanted the Mackie - but at 5 times the price???
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/06 21:01:43
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Excellent tutorial I was wondering is there any way to download it. I would hate to have everything set up and one day out of the blue something goes wrong and I cant find it or its not being hosted anymore.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/09 11:23:43
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Hi guys, I just wanted to say after much pain I now have the BCF working in Sonar and I'm LOVING it!!! Thanks to all who helped. I wish Sonar supported it natively and let you do a bit more customization, but I'm currently feeling like I'm absolutely getting my money out of this thing. thanks! :)
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/09 15:29:18
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/09 15:34:30
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Hey, I could accept that! lol
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 09:56:51
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Hello i need help with BCF2000 and sonar. I have a problem with third mode of EQ. I have in the display of BCF2000 - F1 but all faders go down an all encoders no lights. I see the second video of BLADES but my BCF2000 don't work in this mode. The rest of modes and the all functions works perfectly with sonar in Makie Emulation. Thanks.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 10:18:07
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Hello i need help with BCF2000 and sonar. I have a problem with third mode of EQ. I have in the display of BCF2000 - F1 but all faders go down an all encoders no lights. I see the second video of BLADES but my BCF2000 don't work in this mode. The rest of modes and the all functions works perfectly with sonar in Makie Emulation. Thanks.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 11:57:47
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For more details open the Mackie control surface properties page and press F1. That'll bring up a help file where all is explained. First off I suggest if you haven't already download and install the BCView from the Behringer website. You'll find it amongst the BCF files. It's a virtual LCD display so you can see exactly where you are - that will make life much easier to start with. For your specific question The EQ mode has 3 different modes. The first press puts you in multi-channel mode so all the V-pots control one parameter on one channel. I personally don't find this mode very useful For example assuming you have tracks 1 - 8 assigned to the BCF channels 1 - 8 the first time you press EQ the V-pots will control the Band 1 Freq of each channel 1-8. You can use the shift + bank keys to step through the parameters one at a time. The second press puts you in single channel mode. Each V-pot controls one EQ parameter but on the selected channel. In this mode if you make sure the edit light is lit (Shift 1 + Edit - and the light will only show when shift 1 is held down) you can then use the bank change buttons to select the rest of the EQ parameters available on that channel. For example assuming you have track 1 selected via the BCF after the second EQ button press the V-pots will correspond to the first 8 EQ parameters on Channel 1. V-pots 1 - 4 will control the Band Freqs of bands 1 - 4, V-pots 5 - 8 will control the Q settings for EQ bands 1 - 4. If you then press the right bank change button the V-pots will jump by a bank of 8 and now correspond to the next set of parameters. In this case V-pots 1 -4 will control the gain of EQ bands 1 -4 and V-pots 5 - 8 will control whether the EQ bands 1-4 are switched on or off. (Press or turn to change). Press the right bank change again and the parameters selections change again but because there aren't exactly 24 adjustable parameters they don't shift as a whole bank. V-pot 8 now controls channel EQ on/off. V-pots 4 -7 control Band type of EQ bands 1 -4 (peak/shelf/etc) and v-pots 1 - 3 are the band on/offs for EQ bands 2 - 4. I know that all sounds confusing but with the virtual LCD display and the EQ interface open should all make perfect sense. I use this mode a lot for setting the EQs up The third press puts the first 4 channels on the BCF into edit mode that correspond to the 4 EQ bands. The V-pots 1 - 4 control the frequencies and the Faders 1 - 4 control the gain of EQ bands 1 - 4. This mode is very helpful for sweeping to find a particular frequency or as a visual guide as to the overall EQ curve shape. I find this mode very useful too. Just to further complicate matters in any of these modes (or any mode on the BCF) you can use the flip function to change what the faders and v-pots control. The first press of the flip key and the faders duplicate whatever the V-pots control and the second press the faders and knobs exchange functions so in the third EQ mode press the flip key once and the faders 1-4 also control band frequency, press flip again and the faders 1 - 4 control frequency and the V-pots 1 -4 gain. Press flip again and you are back to normal. Pressing track puts you back into track mode and of course if you then press the EQ mode key it takes you right back to where you were and the faders will snap about accordingly. As I said install the LCD and experiment and it will all make sense (hopefully). It is incredibly quick to get about once you know the various key presses. I can now tweak an EQ setting and be back to mixing gains in the time it takes me to find my mouse never mind actually use it. Hope this helps.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 12:50:18
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Tahnk you very much FastBikerBoy, i know the 3 modes but the last mode don't work, when i press 3 times all faders go down an all encoders no lights. What happens? Thanks, what is your motorcycle, i have a VTR996F
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 13:12:32
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My avatar pic is the same VTR1000F, but I now have a ZX10-R for the road and a Fireblade for the track... anyway back on topic... Are you definitely in Mackie mode? The only other reason all faders and v-pots would go down in the third mode is if all the gains and frequencies are all the way down and/or if the BCF is in 'flipped' mode. If everything else is working okay I can't think of any other reason for that behaviour.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 13:28:36
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Can't think of a reson over here either unless there is something "not mackie" about what's going on. I don't know of a way to exclude a certain function like that. Is there a way to disable the "per track" EQ? Is it possible that it's setting like that because it isn't seeing the EQ there? Are you sure you are actually in mode 3? The display on the BCF reads one of three: E1 E1. F1. You should be in F1. mode
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 13:38:15
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I think even if the EQ was disabled and the BCF wasn't going to respond to the 3rd button press it wouldn't respond to the first 2 presses wither would it? Funknando do you have the virtual LCD display and if so what does that indicate?
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 13:48:00
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Hello Blades, thanks for yours Video-Tutorial, yes I'm in Mackie mode in the display when I turn on is "1.10" later "MCSo" all the funtions of Mackie mode works perfectly and all the buttons except the 3 mode of EQ, I have in display F1 but de faders and encoders are down, in sonar I have active a EQ in track and I have active 4 band y try to move one fader in another position and he go down. All the buttons in Mackie mode works ex. Plugin, Track, Aux, M1 ... all. I have active the virtual display BCFView and in the 3 mode of EQ not have information. Thanks, sorry I'm spanish and my english is very poor.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 14:19:05
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Yes when I press 1 time I have E1, in the 2 time E1. and in the 3 time I have F1. in the 1 time I have in the virtual display "track 1 GnDBn1 track 2 GnDBn1 .... " encoders iluminates and change values to gain in the sonitus EQ and faders changes Vol. a track. When I push the 2 time I have E1. in the virtual display I have GnDBn1 0.0dB GnDBn2 0.0dB GnDBn3 and GnDBn4 FrcDB1 FrcDB2 ... the encoders changes values and the faders same a 1 time changes value of Vol. a track and in the 3 time display F1. Virtual display nothing, encoders off and faders down.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 14:51:25
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Hmmm... that's strange. Are all the mode shift lights off? If you hold down Shift 1 are there any lights on any of the buttons? Same with shift 2? The only time I can relate to that situation is if you are 'out of range' of a control. Try this....... 1. Make sure all shifted lights are off. 2. Put the BCF into EQ mode 3. 3. Press the left bank key several times to see if the EQ comes back 'in range' Other than that I'm pretty much out of ideas.
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RE: Behinger BCF2000 Setup and Use in Sonar - Tutorial
2009/02/13 15:11:08
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Thanks FastBikerBoy and Blades not work F1. I continue investigating the problem. I don't know if the problem is in the BCF2000 or is in Sonar. I try in Sonar6 and in Sonar8 and is the same. Thanks and best regards.
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