telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/05 14:33:28
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Fair enough, Craig, but we still don't know what the impact of all that is the context of the backlog and support overhaul, or how that translates to wait times.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/05 16:02:38
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Wait times will decrease once the backlog is eliminated. It is called a queue for a good reason since items are addressed in order of priority. All the steps we're taking have had a very positive effect and there are even more support resources coming online as we speak. Take a look at the problem reports and store forums as an example.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/05 16:06:39
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telecharge Fair enough, Craig, but we still don't know what the impact of all that is the context of the backlog and support overhaul, or how that translates to wait times. Of course not...no one knows, nor can anyone know. Some cases take longer to deal with that others, sometimes it's necessary to go back and forth a few times with customers and some might be instantly available while others are on vacation, it's impossible to know how fast the new support people will get up to speed or when additional candidates will be hired, sometimes solving one problem solves all occurrences of the problem in future (e.g., a store glitch being fixed), etc. Those are all relatively known issues yet they still introduce massive amounts of uncertainty. Furthermore, they don't take into account the possibility of unpredictable events, like Windows doing an update that destroys all graphics capabilities in any computer older than three weeks, or giant, extra-terrestrial carnivore poodles invading Boston and eating Cakewalk's employees because they mistakenly think that the "bakery" is a place to get food. If that happens, I can predict support queue times will lengthen even though, in the immortal words of Herman Cain, "I don't have facts to back this up."
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/05 16:08:05
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Hi Noel...working on Labor Day, I see. Slacker.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/05 17:00:56
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I have 2 tickets (1 activation, 1 support) that have been open for 3 months. Three. months. Are my problems critical? No, far from it. But are you telling me that Cakewalk's support have been swamped with high priority tickets for 3 months straight? Or longer? Something is very, very wrong if that's the case. Remember this e-mail from April 12? (That's nearly 5 months ago, but who's counting?)  Wow, that all sounds great! I will confess that I am guilty of missing a phone call from support on June 20. Of the NUMEROUS TIMES I checked for a phone support slot, I found one (1) slot. It was NOT convenient for me, but I figured I should take what I could get. Sure enough, I missed the call. Did the rep leave a message? Nope. I was sent an email instead... "Sorry we missed you!I attempted calling you today at 04:15 PM eastern time but was not able to reach you.Hopefully your problem was resolved and you no longer require assistance. If however you do still require support please visit https://www.cakewalk.com/support."Communication from Cakewalk has been very poor IMO. The staff here in the forum have been saying for months they are aware of the problems and are working to fix them as soon as possible. Even the support notice says, "...rest assured - we are committed to your satisfaction, and your case will remain open until we assist you." I wouldn't even know my cases were still open if not for that notice, as I last heard from Cakewalk support in JUNE. If Cakewalk were really serious about knocking out their support backlog, they could implement some temporary measures such as after-hours email/phone support and dedicated forum support reps. I think it's safe to say that most people who spend several hundred dollars/pounds/euros on software have a certain expectation of support. Cakewalk is not meeting expectations. TIME IS VALUABLE. By leaving us hanging for months, Cakewalk is effectively wasting our time. I probably could have worked out my problems through trial and error (except activation) given the amount of that has passed, but THAT'S WHAT I'M PAYING YOU FOR. Cakewalk positions Sonar as a premium product. It should have support to match. I encourage anyone who is disappointed with Cakewalk's support to make their voice heard, because it looks like Cakewalk just doesn't get it.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/05 22:50:20
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☄ Helpfulby Klaus 2016/09/06 15:08:45
Telecharge - on one hand, I totally get where you are coming from (hence, my post on the previous page about my issues not being address/acknowledged), but on the other hand, the CTO (or whatever Noel's title is at this point) answering a direct support query via a user/public forum on Labor Day is pretty out there. Try to get most consumer-based service companies on the line on a holiday at all, let alone an officer-level employee. It's pretty unlikely you could accomplish this feat. Thanks for you address Noel. As I mentioned, it's hardly a show-stopper, it's just something that has happened SO many times that I thought it worth the support ticket and hoped for at least a faster response to the request even being made. Glad to know that it at least made it into the system! :)
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/06 10:50:43
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telecharge I have 2 tickets (1 activation, 1 support) that have been open for 3 months. Three. months. Are my problems critical? No, far from it. But are you telling me that Cakewalk's support have been swamped with high priority tickets for 3 months straight? Or longer? Something is very, very wrong if that's the case.
There is exactly one open ticket for your account and it has to do with migrating your Steam account to a Cakewalk account. First off that isn't something that we typically do. If you purchased through steam, they own your account and delivery of the software is their responsibility - after all they earned a commission through the sale. If we take over the account and deliver through our store since we now have to incur delivery costs as well. Additionally thats not kosher from the point of view of our agreement with them. There are exception conditions when we may migrate steam accounts but its not part of our normal workflow. I'm not surprised that your case is still open due to this.
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telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/06 11:24:04
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Thank you for looking into this, Noel. My tickets numbers are 318573 and 319048. If one was closed, I did not request it, nor was I not notified. With regards to transferring from Steam, I was already told this... I replied on June 14 with the other items I need to have added, but nothing was done.
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telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 11:00:49
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Sooo... Should I get lost? Punt? Lather, rinse, repeat?
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 11:08:42
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telecharge Sooo... Should I get lost? Punt? Lather, rinse, repeat?
I've always been told the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Suggestion: get a squeaky wheel.
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telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 14:32:21
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I would have preferred Cakewalk to just eliminate their official support channels instead of the current situation. At least I would have know what I was getting instead of the mushroom treatment.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 16:05:29
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SO you would rather have nothing at all rather than "we're trying our best". Fine, no support for you and no sense complaining about it since it doesn't exist. Simples.
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telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 16:12:55
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ampfixer SO you would rather have nothing at all rather than "we're trying our best"
What's the difference? Either way I'm not getting support. Hearing "we're trying our best" and seeing no improvement is more of a letdown IMO.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 17:27:57
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 19:24:19
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williamcopper wow. spin central here.
There's only one way to spin this official answer: "If you purchased through steam, they own your account and delivery of the software is their responsibility - after all they earned a commission through the sale." That's the only open ticket that was found with respect to Telecharge's issue. However, the point he brings up is a valid one about receiving a response from Cakewalk. They should not have responded to him in the way they did. Hopefully it will teach Cakewalk not to even attempt to be accommodating in the future, and just say "Go bother Steam, it's their problem." In general the best way to fix a problem is to go to the people whose responsibility it is to fix the problem.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 19:28:25
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telecharge Thank you for looking into this, Noel. My tickets numbers are 318573 and 319048. If one was closed, I did not request it, nor was I not notified. With regards to transferring from Steam, I was already told this...
 I replied on June 14 with the other items I need to have added, but nothing was done.
I definitely hear your frustrations regarding support. Fact of the matter is there's usually a rather simple explanation, even if it’s a disappointing one. Case number 318573 was closed as a duplicate of case number 319048. Case number 319048 is currently assigned to a robot because of a bulk operation we did where we issued coupon codes to customers. It's actually still "open", but it looks like it fell off the previous representative's radar because the robot hijacked the case. (Side-bar – I’m going to close case 319048 since I’m replying here) It's not a good answer, but when you're only one person and outnumbered by thousands of customers, it's the honest answer for what happens sometimes. In this example, it's as simple as missed communication. I realize you're probably not going to like it, but everything Craig and Noel are saying about support stepping up offerings is truth and the things you're suggesting (people working after Cakewalk office hours for example) is and are being done. We're trying to do better. If I were to guess, the new support people probably didn't know how to handle your request because, as Noel mentioned, it's not something we honor as a request and it's actually not even something we CAN do. Quite simply, Steam purchases must be installed through the Steam client. In addition to what Noel mentioned in regards to agreements, revenue splits, etc... the most important part of it is the back-end logistics in regards to store transactions and how licenses are delivered and activated. For this reason, Steam purchases MUST be installed through Steam or your products simply will not activate. They cannot be transferred to Command Center and aren't meant to be. To achieve this we would need access to areas of Steam we do not have access to, access to your system to a degree that we do not have access to, and would need to essentially erase things not ever meant to be erased. I anticipate the next argument will be "well it SHOULD be possible", and it's a normal and fair response. At this time, however, we do not have access to the data from Steam purchases to make this a possibility even if we decided to bite the bullet. It's a conversation we can continue to have internally and with Valve based on customer demand, but as of right now we don't have any immediate solution nor anticipate one because at it's very simplest form, Steam purchases were and are meant to be installed through the Steam client. So, in summary, when someone at Cakewalk says they cannot transfer your licenses from Steam to Command Center, it's actually more rooted in the fact that they logistically CANNOT do it and attempting to do it would break your licenses, effectively making a worse experience since you wouldn’t be able to use your products. Anyone who may have mistakenly suggested they can transfer the licenses has unfortunately misspoken from a position of misunderstanding. For multiple reasons I’m very sorry. I apologize for poor response times from support, for misinformation, and for ultimately not being able to fulfill the request. Nevertheless, even though I’m not officially part of the support group here at Cakewalk, I did want to write to hopefully provide some insight as to why your case fell into limbo and never found resolution.
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telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 20:01:33
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] So, in summary, when someone at Cakewalk says they cannot transfer your licenses from Steam to Command Center, it's actually more rooted in the fact that they logistically CANNOT do it and attempting to do it would break your licenses, effectively making a worse experience since you wouldn’t be able to use your products.
Except no one has ever said that -- until now. Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] Anyone who may have mistakenly suggested they can transfer the licenses has unfortunately misspoken from a position of misunderstanding
"May have mistakenly suggested"??? Did you read what you quoted?
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 20:08:18
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What did Steam say when you called them for support? I assume you would have contacted them first since you bought the software from them.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 20:08:42
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I did. The support rep was mistaken.
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telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 20:16:51
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Anderton What did Steam say when you called them for support? I assume you would have contacted them first since you bought the software from them.
Steam is a storefront with DRM. They only provide support for their own client.
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telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 20:19:59
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Am I correct in understanding that Cakewalk with not help me get their software I purchased through Steam to work with their software I purchased elsewhere?
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 20:27:49
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You didn't answer my question, so I assume what you said above is an indirect way of saying you didn't even try to contact Steam. You said they provide support only for their own client, so it seems odd you would expect Cakewalk to deal with an issue that involved moving your software from the client of the company from whom you bought the software, and for which you say they provide support. At least we're getting to the bottom of the issue. This is a very different situation compared to, for example, buying SONAR from Guitar Center.
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telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 20:34:22
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Got this email on July 29...still hasn't happened.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 20:38:36
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 20:51:50
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 21:25:45
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telecharge Got this email on July 29...still hasn't happened.

You need to say what "hasn't happened." Did you request a redemption code and not get it? Or did you think the redemption code wasn't for the Steam version? Or did you not register in time, then contacted cakewalk support without an answer? Also, was the email from Cakewalk or Steam?That would make a difference as well. telechargeNever got the Advanced Workshop: Modern Drum Production videos either. That's available through the Cakewalk Command Center. Don't know if it's available on Steam or not, try Steam support or the Steam forums. telechargeI don't remember exactly, but in addition to the rep who said he would do it, this is likely what led me to believe I could transfer my licenses. It's a post from 2015 that stated "I do not speak for Cakewalk but I do recall the question about upgrading from Steam when the new SONAR was released. It was not immediately available on the Steam site and CW staff replied that it was possible to purchase from the SONAR site. At the time it took Customer Support involvement because there was no linkage between Steam and CW store purchases. I suspect this still might be the case but cannot say for sure not having purchased anything from Steam." Not exactly a definitive statement from Cakewalk so I don't know why you brought it up, especially since Ryan already apologized that someone who DOES speak for Cakewalk gave you incorrect information. Ryan wrote a detailed email to you at 7 PM Boston time, so first of all that's even more "non-anecdotal" evidence that what I said is true. Second, he acknowledged your frustration, apologized that you were given the wrong information from someone at Cakewalk, and apologized for the delay in responding. However, it's also clear that since you said Steam provides support for their client, and since your issue apparently involved attempting to move SONAR from the Steam client to the Command Center (at least that what it seems like to me), it is Steam's issue to solve because it starts with their client. Steam should have been your logical first point of contact, not Cakewalk. I recommend thanking Ryan for the apology and detailed response, and then pursue your Steam issues with Steam. If they tell you that moving from their client to Cakewalk is Cakewalk's problem, then CW needs to know that this Steam's position, and pursue a resolution.
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telecharge
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 21:32:03
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Craig, you are a legend in this forum and at the very least a minor celebrity in your field. I'm not into celebrity worship, but I don't want to get on your bad side either. (Maybe it's too late for that.) Anyway, I'm going to call it a night and I may or may not respond tomorrow.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 21:53:56
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What I've read in this last exchange is that Cakewalk sent an email to telecharge that says that he would be ELIGIBLE to get a redemption code for the lifetime version. Is that right? Having not purchased this through Steam, I don't know how they handle this. Is it Steam or Cakewalk who should be providing the redemption code? How should telecharge expect to receive this? Does telecharge then use that code with Steam or with Cakewalk to be sure that Lifetime updates are honored. Again - as an owner of a technical support company who supports many small businesses who have everything from minor inconvenience issues to complete business down scenarios, I can tell you the wrath that would be incurred if one of my technicians had done this THIS wrong. It seems like mostly a problem of a support system (on Cakewalk's part) that didn't work right and a human (the technician) who didn't follow up on their tickets. The end result is that the user is being a bit "hung out to dry" here on the forum. As much as Ryan has gone above and beyond because he's not in support, closing the ticket out with a "the tech shouldn't have told you that, so I closed your ticket and as much as I don't want to say it, we misinformed you, but your ticket is closed nonetheless and there is nothing that you or we or anyone else can do". This is just an outside-looking-in perspective, but it really reads poorly from here. :(
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/07 22:47:45
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Out of interest, what should be the expected turnaround on emails of minor issues. And what would be the process to chase. I cannot call, I'm 12 hours away from Boston. I ask because I emailed over a week ago, I'm happy to a wait. I'm assuming it's been graded as a lesser issue. Some kind of expectancy would help.
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Re: Big Thanks to the Cake Staff
2016/09/08 11:39:08
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telecharge Got this email on July 29...still hasn't happened.

HI Telecharge, I'm the Steam Community manager and Liveops Engineer. After looking at your Cakewalk store account, I see that you registered SONAR Platinum 2015, on June 1st 2016. This does not qualify you for above quoted Lifetime Pass Redemption Code. You would have had to have purchased and registered SONAR Platinum 2016, between the above dates to receive your free redemption code. Due to our conversion from Subscriptions to a Season Pass model on Steam, we issued 2016 redemptions to some 2015 users to cover any membership time obligations. I'll set our automated processes to e-mail you a SONAR Platinum 2016 redemption code, so you'll be on the latest version and get updates till the end of the year, but you'll still need to purchase the DLC separately like other annual upgrade users. Please feel free to send me a private message, if you would like to discuss your account further. Best, Seth Kellogg
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