Michael Lee


Hi Lynn,
  Tried to PM you, no joy, can you accept a PM about Jamstix?
Thanks
Michael Lee

Sure, I'd be happy to accept your message about Jamstix.  Do I have to do anything in particular?  I'll only be online until the Jets/Steelers game begins.  BTW, after 4 hours of recording today, no problems.  I'm about done for the day, but I'll be in the studio all day tomorrow.

Jim Roseberry

I've spent about 3 days so far transferring each track over, meaning, not bouncing the audio but recreating the synths, effects, bins, etc. I cant even tell you how many crashes happen per song transfer, but I can say S1 has never crashed or had any hic up, ever.

 
 
 
Hi Scott, Billy, and other S1 users,
 
Aside from the performance, how do you deal with the lack of certain features in S1?

• Track Folders
• More esoteric MIDI configuration/editing
• Per clip EFX
• Etc

I see a lot to like in S1... but the lack of certain "common" features is a turn-off.
On the flip side, the integrated mastering functions look sweet.
In particular, the fact that you can make changes to the mix (automatically updating the master).
After some time has passed (listening to a 'final' mix), I often find myself wanting to goose the levels a dB here/there.  

Jim,

In fairness, I can't answer everything in detail because I'm no expert with Studio One (yet) by any means.   However ...

It's my understanding Track Folders are in the works there.  I would like them as well, but I also don't "have" to have them.  Group Tracks can be useful in the meanwhile (similar to Ableton Live).

As for "esoteric MIDI configuration" - I just don't know what ya mean LOL.

I see some things that are drawbacks for me, for now -- such as not having groove-clips (they do it another way but not as elegantly, imho).   The PRV seems fine though -- and frankly very similar to every other host (including Sonar).   Nothing that holds me back so far.

As for Clip FX - I honestly don't know.  I haven't gotten deep enough to know if it has that or not.

The integrated Mastering is definitely sweet.  Really sweet.  And it's well thought out.  Their interface is smart and functional.

Like any piece of software, there's is always the "obvious" stuff (where one doesn't need a manual to use it) and then there is the real deep stuff (where one discovers by a long experience with a product - AND by reading the manual - AND by seeing how others use it).

As much as X1 is 'new' in some areas, the basic paradigm is the same it's always been, give or take a new feature here and there.   So, in effect, I can still feel I can go deeper in Sonar just due to my years of experience with the core product.

I can't say that (yet) about S1.  But I can say - and have - that there's an awful lot to like.   I DO think it has some growing/maturing to do in some areas.   But I can say that about X1 now too.

I do not think S1 is a toy however.  The features seem to be well thought out and not (sorry to use the term) half-baked.   Some of the approaches taken in S1 definitely make me wish they were in Sonar.     AND VISA VERSA.

So again, as I've said before, there's a lot to like in both products.   What Studio One doesn't have, which may or may not be a big deal, is the need to be backward compatible.  So I have to think that the code is less encumbered by such need to be backward compatible as X1 must be.

In the end, my feeling is (and I have stated this a number of times on the forum, sorry) that I will continue to explore S1 and upgrade it as I am Sonar.

If I had a choice, I'd want X1 to get to the place where I can be using it all the time as I do 8.5.3 at this point -- but it's just not there for me yet.  And neither is Studio One.

But they really are BOTH good and I want to have BOTH now, and will do so.

I wish I could answer your specific questions in more detail, and maybe when I think I've become more of a deep/power user of S1 I can, but that's not possible at this time.

ba_midi

Lynn

Etostone


I get no crashes when I don't push the system to the limits.
But when CPU gets at 70 % using sonar x64 bit at win 7 , things are not stable . 

So far, my CPU peaks out around 15 to 20 percent at 30 to 40 tracks with various f/x and V-Vocal instances happening at once.  I have no idea how many tracks you are using or how many plugs, let alone what your system is like, but I would guess that you have a lot happening at once.  When I get some spare time I'll listen to some of your songs to get a feel for what you are doing.  Good luck and thanks for replying.

Lynn,  I'm curious as to how you know your CPU "percentage" in X1 since it only has those bar graphs.  Are you using some external way to determine that?

(PS - I wiSH we could see the actual percentage again).

Billy, I'm just making an educated guess here by eyeballing the meter.  I, too, wish we could see the actual percentage again.  I'm also curious to know how one gets their CPU up to 70% using W7x64.

ba_midi

Billy, I'm just making an educated guess here by eyeballing the meter. I, too, wish we could see the actual percentage again. I'm also curious to know how one gets their CPU up to 70% using W7x64.

I suspect we're not going to get a "true readout" CPU in X1.   Too bad.  Studio One comes with a REALLY cool "performance" system, as does Reaper.

I, for one, think such things are extremely useful.

Maybe our friend Benstat will figure out a way to incorporate this function in a future version of X1 helper.  If you haven't downloaded this amazing utility already, you owe it to yourself to do so.  It has been a great time saver for me, and has brought some functionality back to X1.  I can't praise him enough.

ProjectM


Hey Lynn!

I will high-jack your thread now:

to tell you that your song and video "Rivers of the Sky" is absolutely beautiful! That's really well done!! Thanks for sharing



OK, done high-jacking

Thank you very much.  I'm so happy to share that with you as are my friends.

spanky

ba_midi




I do not think S1 is a toy however.  The features seem to be well thought out and not (sorry to use the term) half-baked.   Some of the approaches taken in S1 definitely make me wish they were in Sonar.     AND VISA VERSA.

No, you are right, it is not a toy. I was able to spend a lot of time with it today and was actually impressed (thanks to being able to use the included Kore VST). I will definitely spend more time with it since it's here on my laptop. I also got more familiar with MIDI editing. It's strange how S1 is like X1 lol!

You mean X1 is like S1.

spanky

ba_midi




I do not think S1 is a toy however.  The features seem to be well thought out and not (sorry to use the term) half-baked.   Some of the approaches taken in S1 definitely make me wish they were in Sonar.     AND VISA VERSA.

No, you are right, it is not a toy. I was able to spend a lot of time with it today and was actually impressed (thanks to being able to use the included Kore VST). I will definitely spend more time with it since it's here on my laptop. I also got more familiar with MIDI editing. It's strange how S1 is like X1 lol!

Spanky,

I think your post is a good example of how "spending time" with a program makes a big difference (pro and con).

Watching this forum for weeks since the X1 release is a sample of that too ...  some who loved it out of the box have stumbled into more bugs as they use it, and others who stumbled at first are 'getting to know' it better.

It's an interesting phase to watch for sure.

But, that being said - Studio One Artist version is limited (no VST plugin support for example).  I have the Pro version so I get all the features.

As for the editing being similar between the two - I think it's safe to say it's similar to ALL hosts out there (at least the ones I've tried).   There's only so many ways to peel a banana, so to speak ;)

But the more you play with the audio engine, see how they handle "fly out" strips on their mixer / console, etc, the more you'll wish Sonar had those.

However, Track Folders, Groove Clipping, and a number of other features we have and have had for a LONG time in Sonar (even X1) is not there in Studio One (yet).

So once again - it's a great world in the DAW world but far from a perfect one still ;)

ba_midi

10Ten

spanky

ba_midi




I do not think S1 is a toy however.  The features seem to be well thought out and not (sorry to use the term) half-baked.   Some of the approaches taken in S1 definitely make me wish they were in Sonar.     AND VISA VERSA.

No, you are right, it is not a toy. I was able to spend a lot of time with it today and was actually impressed (thanks to being able to use the included Kore VST). I will definitely spend more time with it since it's here on my laptop. I also got more familiar with MIDI editing. It's strange how S1 is like X1 lol!

You mean X1 is like S1.

I have to admit - I agree.   X1 definitely is trying to be 'more' like S1 than S1 is to X1.

And that's when CW opened up the can worms for me (and others) to want to see what the hoopla was all about (S1).


But don't kid yourself - there's a bunch of things that one could say S1 either 'learned' / "borrowed" or stole from Sonar as well.

they all borrow from one another, but S1 was doing the UI thing before Sonar and it almost seems like Cake felt the heat from it.

And Studio One seem to have taken a lot from Logic (from version 8) which was released a year before. But as far as my knowledge goes, it was when Tracktion came out (2002) the whole One-Window Audio and MIDI DAW thing seemed to become, er, logic...

Isn't there a performance module hidden on the right side of the top bar?

What does it do/not do that the previous cpu meter did?


best regards,
mike

It seems to me that the docking/screenset window is being pushed by Microsoft development on a broad scale.

It's every where... and I have yet to enjoy it any where I encounter it... it's like a return to DOS.

I like "windows" regardless of whether they are on Win, Mac, or Linux.

Roger That... I'll with hold my comments because I'm trying to forget it all and get back to thinking about music!!!

So far, I'm 4 hours into my session without a hiccup or a burp.  This is the third day of trouble free recording and mixing, so I'm getting encouraged.  I have about 4 or 5 more hours to go today, so I will report back later.  In the meantime, you all have a nice day, and for those in the North, stay warm.

And ... What's the opposite of the temps in Hell? NYC Weather today ;)

 
Last night, it was a balmy 3 degrees here...     

ba_midi

Lynn


So far, I'm 4 hours into my session without a hiccup or a burp.  This is the third day of trouble free recording and mixing, so I'm getting encouraged.  I have about 4 or 5 more hours to go today, so I will report back later.  In the meantime, you all have a nice day, and for those in the North, stay warm.

Lynn, I'm almost getting a kick out of this thread...  10 hours here, 4/5 hours there .... imagine paying a real studio for time and saying "Hey, we made it through 10 hours without a crash" ?  LOL
 
I think it's great you're getting in a few hours here and there, but I sure wish I could feel like saying "I've made through 10 months without a crash" -- that would be bragging rights ;)
 
 
And ... What's the opposite of the temps in Hell?   NYC Weather today ;)
 
 

You are correct ba_midi. But, you have to remember that Lynn was having problems not to long ago because of a driver. Stability is what we expect, stability is what we need. His environment was unstable for a while; of course he is a little tentative and excited with his reattained stability.