Jim Roseberry

Once again I must point out that many of us use more than one host, many of us have a TON of '3rd party' plugins that would need reauthorizing, and many of us have complex setups that would need careful and time-consuming attention to recreate. It sounds to me like you don't really use a lot of 3rd party apps that need reauthorizing, or that you have a lot more time than I do :) But it certainly would take WAY more than "an evening" for me to have my system back up after a complete restart/reformat.

 
While I can certainly appreciate the time it takes to install/authorize a boatload of apps/plugins (high Greg M ), if it solves the problem... then it's better to bite the bullet and take the day/s or week to get the project finished.  With the backup image tools we have, it shouldn't take that long to try a clean OS install... and install/test a small handful of plugins that exhibited problems.  If the issues persist, reload the backup image file... and you're out a few hours time (knowing the clean OS/install isn't a solution).
 
The amount of time reinstalling/authorizing would surely be less than the number of hours required to become an advanced user of another DAW application.  

FastBikerBoy


There's got to be something to the hardware/software/system theory.

I know there's a few, okay more than a few bugs, but I've seen nothing but stability in the way X1 works. I feel for those having trouble though it's real strange how there's such a diverse view on it's stability.

Bub

ProjectM


Cool. Good luck!

Thanks. :)

BTW: Congrats on your 1000th post!! Cheers!

Wow! I didn't even notice! Man, I really got to get a job and stop spending so much time here! :)

And your sig: Don't get mad, get even, right?

I laugh every time I read it. It was one of the funniest lines I think I've ever seen. It's an exact quote by the way. It doesn't seem to read quite right, but that's part of what makes it so funny to me!

:)

ba_midi

ProjectM


I have a sneaking suspicion that we've high-jacked Lynn's thread...

LOL yeah he's probably busy makin' music while we're typing all this stuff ;)
 

ProjectM


I have a sneaking suspicion that we've high-jacked Lynn's thread...

ProjectM


Yeah, good on him! ha ha, that's the more sensible thing to do. I mean, shouldn't we be doing the same?

@Jim Just curious, when you say to test X1 on the cleanest install, do you mean no additional hardware as well besides the obvious? Should the people going for this approach wait with Midi controllers, control surfaces, pen tablets etc?

ba_midi

Jind,

 

I assume you're lumping me into the "hemming and hawing" crowd, so I'll say that I do have image backups, and have for many years.  I can easily get back to a previous state when/if need be.   That is not the same as starting a system over from scratch, though.
 
And I have to say - yet again - if one's system is not experiencing problems with other host software that can be a sign that the one that is giving problems is the culprit.
Of course without some degree of trouble shooting all of this, one would never know.  BUT if one does a good job of trouble shooting and still discovers the problem with the one piece of software, I think that's a pretty basic hit.

 
 

Lynn

 

ProjectM


I have a sneaking suspicion that we've high-jacked Lynn's thread...

LOL, actually I just finished mixing my last two songs and burning them to disc to listen to on my drive to work tomorrow.  I'm happy to report that I'm now in day 4 of trouble free recording and mixing.  I'm becoming more and more convinced that the new driver for my FF400 is getting along much better with Sonar.  I thought about going back into 8.53 to see if it was more stable ( I had a dickens of a time with that version ), but I know my way around X1 so well, at this point, that I don't feel an urgency to do so.  I've enjoyed reading all your posts, and I've learned something - it's time that I learn to use my backup software so I don't lose this magic moment.  You've all been great, and it's good to belong to such a great forum.

thomasabarnes

ba_midi

Jind


I do think that Jim and others have surfaced a very important point that I hope is pretty clear to all users of any computer system and it's applications in any business critical or even personally important scenario - that point being, if you are really serious about your working environment, you should have the ability to refresh your system easily and in quick order.  We invest so much money in our DAW systems and in many cases we don't invest in an adequate back-up/system restore solution.  Disc imaging of a clean build and incremental backups have saved my digital life far too many times fro me not to take being able to restore my system to not only a "virgin" install of the OS, but to get my personal data and OS configurations back quickly.

To those hemming and hawing about the need to do a clean install to "truly" troubleshoot a problem, please ask your self have you taken seriously enough your environment and how a minimal investment in a good solution for quick restores/rebuilds would allow you to solve problems with little risk to your working environment and possible provide for definitive answers for where the problem is.  Is it your system or the software causing the issue? Until one truly eliminates all variables you will never know.

As always individual mileage may vary.

Jind,
 
I assume you're lumping me into the "hemming and hawing" crowd, so I'll say that I do have image backups, and have for many years.  I can easily get back to a previous state when/if need be.   That is not the same as starting a system over from scratch, though.
 
And I have to say - yet again - if one's system is not experiencing problems with other host software that can be a sign that the one that is giving problems is the culprit.
Of course without some degree of trouble shooting all of this, one would never know.  BUT if one does a good job of trouble shooting and still discovers the problem with the one piece of software, I think that's a pretty basic hit.
 
 

Hiya ba_midi:
 
Some days ago, I tried to suggest to mudgel (in this post: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2205965) , the same things that Jim Roseberry is advising Bub to do, which is to try troubleshooting with a fresh basic installation of Windows .
 
What you say "if one's system is not experiencing problems with other host software that can be a sign that the one that is giving problems is the culprit," could be true, But.... if one is experiencing such show stopping issues, as mudgel described he was experiencing, which is performance so bad that X1 was unusable, yet other users are reporting that X1 is working/running well for them, that would be enough for me to think to try X1 out on a freash install of Windows. But let me stress I made this choice because I was having a minute issue with a gaming app that I use (not wanting to create a shortcut to a game on my desktop. A small matter, but it erks me, as I want everything to work as it's suppose to), and because I regard SONAR to be the most important App on my PC.  In other words, by performing the fresh install of windows I could knock out 2 birds with one stone (install the newest version of SONAR on a fresh install and fix my gaming app problem), by performing a fresh install of Windows
 
Some still are reluctant to do this, even though they may have a image of a fresh install of Windows. I suspect in mudgel's case, he has a great working 8.5 install on the machine he uses for business, he's running out of free time, and maybe he just doesn't want to go through this process with his business machine, as he recalls of a number of reports here that a disturbing amount of other users are also having problems similar to his, and he may esteem, himself, as others, having the know-how to estimate that his PC is fine because other apps are running great, including a previous version of SONAR.
 
In case you need to be reminded, X1 is the product of some fundamental software changes, so fundamental that, in my opinion, early versions of SONAR can't be compared in such a way that one will think X1 should run OK on a particular system because an early SONAR version runs well. The new graphics engine alone, is reason enough, I think, to alter that mindset. Plus there's the new GUI overhaul.
 
What I fail to see, however, is if those having these showstopping experiences have installed X1 on a fresh install of Windows. I did and X1 is running fairly stable with few problem for me, and the way I use it to do what I want. Another thing that probably makes users reluctant to take on troubleshooting to this extent of a fresh install of Windows, is the possibility that the problems may not be resolved. Like I said, SONAR is the most important App on my PC, I was willing to start using X1 from a fresh install of Windows. I reckon it's just a choice an individual will have to make him/herself.
 
I initially installed X1 using a fresh install of Windows, but I do report that X1 is running well for me.
 
 

ba_midi

Fortunately or unfortunately, it's my company - so sometimes I have to man the phones.  Trust me, I'd rather be writing music or mixing, etc, allll day and night. 

 
Um, good luck with the polar bears ... and no, I won't ask LOL