Breakthrough - X1 made it through a 10 hour session today with no crashes or glitches

It's hard to believe that a couple weeks ago I was moaning and groaning about X1, and was somewhat apprehensive about its future.  However, a few days ago I upgraded the driver for my FF 400, and all has been well since.  Today I finished a 10 hour session; recording, editing, using V-Vocal for 2
hours, and mixing with no crashes or glitches.  Yesterday, I finished a 5 hour session with no problems.  I may have jinxed myself by saying this, but right now I'm a happier camper than I was a week ago.  It's amazing how much work one can get done when the recording medium is stable.  I just wonder can it really be as simple as that?  I can only hope so.  I'll let you know if I'm being premature, but I'm looking forward to tomorrow.

Hi Lynn,

Glad to hear its working better for you.

I've been in the process of transferring my album from Sonar X1 to S1. Im afraid to report, I barely can do 4 midi clip bounces (plus if they are groove clips, some clips disappear in the bounce process) before X1 either drops to the desktop or gives a crash error. The software is completely unreliable and in a horrific state after 16 years of being a avid user. I have never seen it like this, and it makes my honestly sad to even have to post this.

I've spent about 3 days so far transferring each track over, meaning,  not bouncing the audio but recreating the synths, effects, bins, etc. I cant even tell you how many crashes happen per song transfer, but I can say S1 has never crashed or had any hic up, ever.

Best Regards,

Good one , but try a heavier loaded project as well ! 

Great to hear it's going good for you, Lynn! :)

Sometimes it is as simple as a driver update. :)

With all the bickering on here about X1, i just tossed my upgrade in the closet.  This thread gives me hope that it could possibly be worthwhile to get it out and install it!  I run a semi-professional studio, so crashing is bad.  Clients aren't impressed with constantly crashing software...

Glad it's working for ya, Lynn!!!  It makes me wanna give it a whirl.  I hope you'll let us know if it starts crashing! ;) Everyone else sure does.. like every single.. hiccup... crash... flaw... opinion... and heck, I think some even make up stuff! haha All joking aside, let's hope the good luck continues!!!! 

I have posted in several threads over the last week or so. I run a pro level business. I can thankfully say, I have had no issues with X1 so far. I've finished a couple of projects already. The system was stable as a rock. The workflow,once I learned the interface well enough to get around, was very fast and makes sense. I have both versions of 8.5,32 and 64 bit, and both versions of X1a,32, and 64 bit, installed. For the first two weeks of trying to learn X1 I would open 8.5 projects in X1 try to learn as much as I could about it until I was comfortable enough to be ready to use it. Then I took on some smaller projects so I could try just using X1. The results, I am happy, my clients are astounded. Although, I still have the audiosnap issue I have reached a point where I can say when they fix Audiosnap, there will be no turning back to 8.5.
I still stick to the philosophy that this is a brand new way of working and if you approach it that way, and with the proper fixes for your problems, you will find that the changes, in some cases have been for the better. I wish you all luck.

spanky

Scott Lee


Hi Lynn,

Glad to hear its working better for you.

I've been in the process of transferring my album from Sonar X1 to S1. Im afraid to report, I barely can do 4 midi clip bounces (plus if they are groove clips, some clips disappear in the bounce process) before X1 either drops to the desktop or gives a crash error. The software is completely unreliable and in a horrific state after 16 years of being a avid user. I have never seen it like this, and it makes my honestly sad to even have to post this.

I've spent about 3 days so far transferring each track over, meaning,  not bouncing the audio but recreating the synths, effects, bins, etc. I cant even tell you how many crashes happen per song transfer, but I can say S1 has never crashed or had any hic up, ever.

Best Regards,

You'll be back. I checked out S1 and I'm not impressed at all. It's like a toy compared to Sonar. So it works for you, great! There's obviously something in your computer that isn't playing well with X1, hopefully a patch will fix that (or more troubleshooting time). But honestly? S1 over even Sonar 8.5?  Are you being honest or reactionary?

megh...there will be some who will find this type of rhetoric to be useful.


There are those who have issues with it...like it or not...I'm just glad that so far it seems to be working or some of us...

I just don't think it's nice for users to sh it on other people's "hey, X1 is now working for me" threads.

 
I agree strongly with this. :)
 
This coming into threads that report good things about X1 and start posting reports of bad things with X1 is really getting on my nerves, especially when the same user has posted this 3 or more times already in this forum.
 
I'm about to start going off when I see more of this type of crap.

It's good to hear it's working in a professional setting. In my home studio/bedroom/storage room/guest room it works surprisingly well. I've had a few crashes but can't replicate, and a few bugs that I've reported but overall it's been a revelation for my tired old brain as compared to 8.53

As to posting here as to how great the other guys software is just seems classless and discourteous in forum supported by Sonar but I'm not the class police. Just something I would never do.

And sadly it's only a matter of time before the 3 or 4 posters who think X1 is the devil's spawn post in this thread how horrible it is and how great 8.53 was. Luckily for me I just see two green bars when that happens.

HumbleNoise


It's good to hear it's working in a professional setting. In my home studio/bedroom/storage room/guest room it works surprisingly well. I've had a few crashes but can't replicate, and a few bugs that I've reported but overall it's been a revelation for my tired old brain as compared to 8.53

As to posting here as to how great the other guys software is just seems classless and discourteous in forum supported by Sonar but I'm not the class police. Just something I would never do.

And sadly it's only a matter of time before the 3 or 4 posters who think X1 is the devil's spawn post in this thread how horrible it is and how great 8.53 was. Luckily for me I just see two green bars when that happens.

Thank you for replying.  I have nothing to say about those who cross over to another DAW, but to those who are going back to 8.5, at least they are staying with CW, and I have no problem with that.  8.5 didn't especially work well for me, but I did manage to produce 9 or 10 projects with it.  Although the learning curve is higher with this version, I'm mostly past that now, and my workflow is still faster than waiting for a reel to reel to rewind or fast forward ;)  Some things are more convenient in X1, some things less so, but all in all it's about even at this point.

DonaldDuck


With all the bickering on here about X1, i just tossed my upgrade in the closet.  This thread gives me hope that it could possibly be worthwhile to get it out and install it!  I run a semi-professional studio, so crashing is bad.  Clients aren't impressed with constantly crashing software...

Glad it's working for ya, Lynn!!!  It makes me wanna give it a whirl.  I hope you'll let us know if it starts crashing! ;) Everyone else sure does.. like every single.. hiccup... crash... flaw... opinion... and heck, I think some even make up stuff! haha All joking aside, let's hope the good luck continues!!!! 

I'm not using X1 for anything serious yet, due to problems I have with it (I'm using 8.5.3 for serious work), but I would say go ahead an install X1 and get to know it in your spare time.  There's no harm in doing so.
 
That way, if/when most of the bugs are worked out you'll be able to dive in with some confidence.
 
I still play around with X1, and am anxiously awaiting to see how X1B fares.  I'm not a fanboi but I am a 7 year customer and supporter, so I have 'hope' X1B will allow me to dive back in too.
 
And at least having installed it and played around with it, you'll learn a lot of the new things in it.
 

spanky

Scott Lee


Hi Lynn,

Glad to hear its working better for you.

I've been in the process of transferring my album from Sonar X1 to S1. Im afraid to report, I barely can do 4 midi clip bounces (plus if they are groove clips, some clips disappear in the bounce process) before X1 either drops to the desktop or gives a crash error. The software is completely unreliable and in a horrific state after 16 years of being a avid user. I have never seen it like this, and it makes my honestly sad to even have to post this.

I've spent about 3 days so far transferring each track over, meaning,  not bouncing the audio but recreating the synths, effects, bins, etc. I cant even tell you how many crashes happen per song transfer, but I can say S1 has never crashed or had any hic up, ever.

Best Regards,

You'll be back. I checked out S1 and I'm not impressed at all. It's like a toy compared to Sonar. So it works for you, great! There's obviously something in your computer that isn't playing well with X1, hopefully a patch will fix that (or more troubleshooting time). But honestly? S1 over even Sonar 8.5?  Are you being honest or reactionary?


To the OP: Thanks for taking the time to remind people that even a simple change to one's computer can be the difference between a stable and an unstable environment. Best of luck to you in the future.

Spanky,
 
Just for the record- and balance - I'm using S1 Pro now too as is Scott.  It's not my "go-to" yet, and I don't know if it will be in the future (I'm hoping X1B brings me back home), but I must it say S1 is far from being a toy.
 
There are some incredibly well thought out things in S1 and I think CW need to watch their back on this.  S1 is extremely stable and has a solid audio engine, amongst other things.
 
I only say this to keep balance, not to start DAW wars.   But I didn't think it was fair to call S1 a toy.
 
You certainly have the right to your opinion, of course.   Mine differs ;)
 
 

spanky

ba_midi

spanky

Scott Lee


Hi Lynn,

Glad to hear its working better for you.

I've been in the process of transferring my album from Sonar X1 to S1. Im afraid to report, I barely can do 4 midi clip bounces (plus if they are groove clips, some clips disappear in the bounce process) before X1 either drops to the desktop or gives a crash error. The software is completely unreliable and in a horrific state after 16 years of being a avid user. I have never seen it like this, and it makes my honestly sad to even have to post this.

I've spent about 3 days so far transferring each track over, meaning,  not bouncing the audio but recreating the synths, effects, bins, etc. I cant even tell you how many crashes happen per song transfer, but I can say S1 has never crashed or had any hic up, ever.

Best Regards,

You'll be back. I checked out S1 and I'm not impressed at all. It's like a toy compared to Sonar. So it works for you, great! There's obviously something in your computer that isn't playing well with X1, hopefully a patch will fix that (or more troubleshooting time). But honestly? S1 over even Sonar 8.5?  Are you being honest or reactionary?


To the OP: Thanks for taking the time to remind people that even a simple change to one's computer can be the difference between a stable and an unstable environment. Best of luck to you in the future.

Spanky,

Just for the record- and balance - I'm using S1 Pro now too as is Scott.  It's not my "go-to" yet, and I don't know if it will be in the future (I'm hoping X1B brings me back home), but I must it say S1 is far from being a toy.

There are some incredibly well thought out things in S1 and I think CW need to watch their back on this.  S1 is extremely stable and has a solid audio engine, amongst other things.

I only say this to keep balance, not to start DAW wars.   But I didn't think it was fair to call S1 a toy.

You certainly have the right to your opinion, of course.   Mine differs ;)

I also got Artist during the promotion. I'm not at all impressed. The MIDI editing doesn't even come close to Sonar's IMO and is a major turnoff for me. And when I write music a lot of my time is spent editing in the PRV.  Not only does the MIDI turn me off, S1 doesn't even have instrument files for my Motif or Motif ES. What should I do to find sounds? Reference my book? Let me see...# 114441 = french horn. No thanks.  Can you even freeze a synth in S1? I only have artist so I can't even familiarize myself with VST's. If I did audio only or even loops I could see S1 would merit a serious look. But I do neither. So I stand by what I say, to me it's a toy and doesn't come close to Sonar (for my needs). That's not to knock it. It's a great program to package together with Presonus' hardware. It has some cool things, but it doesn't tempt me in the least.

Well, as I said, I don't want to get into a DAW war, so I'll just accept we have different opinions (and experience) with the product.
 
Fair enough :)
 
 

I've spent about 3 days so far transferring each track over, meaning, not bouncing the audio but recreating the synths, effects, bins, etc. I cant even tell you how many crashes happen per song transfer, but I can say S1 has never crashed or had any hic up, ever.

 
 
 
Hi Scott, Billy, and other S1 users,
 
Aside from the performance, how do you deal with the lack of certain features in S1?

• Track Folders
• More esoteric MIDI configuration/editing
• Per clip EFX
• Etc

I see a lot to like in S1... but the lack of certain "common" features is a turn-off.
On the flip side, the integrated mastering functions look sweet.
In particular, the fact that you can make changes to the mix (automatically updating the master).
After some time has passed (listening to a 'final' mix), I often find myself wanting to goose the levels a dB here/there.
 
 
 

spanky


I also got Artist during the promotion. I'm not at all impressed. The MIDI editing doesn't even come close to Sonar's IMO and is a major turnoff for me. And when I write music a lot of my time is spent editing in the PRV.  Not only does the MIDI turn me off, S1 doesn't even have instrument files for my Motif or Motif ES. What should I do to find sounds? Reference my book? Let me see...# 114441 = french horn. No thanks.  Can you even freeze a synth in S1? I only have artist so I can't even familiarize myself with VST's. If I did audio only or even loops I could see S1 would merit a serious look. But I do neither. So I stand by what I say, to me it's a toy and doesn't come close to Sonar (for my needs). That's not to knock it. It's a great program to package together with Presonus' hardware. It has some cool things, but it doesn't tempt me in the least.

 
100% ditto, Spanky!
I've spent a lot of time with Studio One over the last few days only to come up against the brick wall of its almost cursory nod in the direction of MIDI.  I have a fully-loaded Fantom X6 and I like to audition different patches which is a breeze in Sonar.  I was dumbfounded when I found that Studio One has no instrument file facility, i.e. with the bank and patch names for your particular hardware synth(s).
So, my advice to Sonar users checking out Studio One is: if you're a medium to heavy MIDI user you'll find it extremely lacking.  It also has very little online help compared to Sonar - help links to a small manual which I would actually call a Quick Start because so much detail is undocumented.  Aside from that I found Studio One nice to work with, smooth and more than I little tempting.  But if I were to jumo ship it would be to Reaper which is better at MIDI than Studio One, although still not a patch (geddit...) on Sonar.
 
My conclusion: I've ordered Sonar X1.
After being initially very annoyed (and still so) that Cakewalk had changed Sonar to be 'easier to use' for other DAW users when I, a loyal customer, found it already easy to use thank you, I figure that if I'm going to learn a new DAW (which Sonar X1 will be to me) I might as well make that new DAW Sonar X1.  At least I will already know a lot about it and I've satisfied myself that as a heavy MIDI user Studio One and Reaper would not be a step forward for me.
 
John