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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/17 08:46:57 (permalink)
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Anyone started writing that requiem yet?


Ha!... that would make an interesting collaborative project.


actually, the last forum collab may have been the reaper's axe...so bowel-shudderingly awful even the magic ways of mr yoyo couldn't save it, apparently...


Collaborations are hard. My one experience trying to work with someone here ended up with my work being ignored and my PM's unanswered. That was sure a waste of my time.
In my experience I couldn't disagree more....the dozen or so collaborations I have done with people I met on this forum have been respectful, creative, stress-free and very satisfying.

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/17 09:15:03 (permalink)
I've completed one VERY rewarding collaboration with Danny Danzi on Guitar (which I can't play, me on VSTs) and one other attempted colab were I had problems with the other persons project and gave up but my sucessfull colab with Danny was some of the most fun I've musically. I highly recommend collaboration...I agree with Mr. James YoYo.
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/17 09:19:59 (permalink)
Yeah I'd have to agree with James and Shawn. It really does depend on who you work with though. Lets face it, not everyone has the time to put in and sometimes, life throws you a curve and you may not be able to finish something. Or, at times people can get a bit intimidated. I've seen that happen quite a bit. I've been doing online collabs for many years...I've only had one unfortunate experience. All the rest were as good as jamming with a live band...and I've met some of the most incredible people while doing it.

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/17 11:03:40 (permalink)
I love listening to the callaboration work posted in this forum.
It has always amazed me what some of you guy's post.
Callaboration work has to be very  challenging.

I know I'm not going to get much comment's on my live work because it's
mostly covers.  That's fine with me.   But I do get some and apperciate
the help I get.

As far as "covers"<~~~My take on this.     I have worked with alot of
musician's in the last 6 years doing live sound engineer work.
Some bands can pull off a good cover while some bands smoke their own
music, but when it comes to a cover,  they fall short.

I have to work with bands that do cover's alot.  They are mostly bands
for hire  to provide entertainment in a variety of events like private parties,                                You have to be able to do cover's.    Alot of them or else your not going to get
the job.

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/17 11:04:52 (permalink)
Other 'valid' reasons you/I may post less and less frequently is that:

1) you 'wouldn't want to offer a turd', twice.

2) Worse, you get tired of getting diss'd on the forum (lack of feedback from those you love).  You are dependent on each other, as loving persons, not actors.

3) Your song is almost impossible to get finished right as you await inspiration

4) Your collab partner diss's you (per Shawn, Chappel, myself, etc.).  Procrastination: "Delay is ever fatal to those that are prepared"

5) You don't want to be a burden, stumblingblock, offense, troll, etc.

6) Your/my message, performance, skills, etc. you dutifully 'discover': vanity of vanities!  Ouch!

7) You want to play/perform with those who are honest, serious, and not too manic-depressive (I fear we all are a bit wacko)

These might be completely valid reasons, IMHO, to stop printing vain songs on this forum and wait awhile.

Philip  
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/17 20:55:13 (permalink)
It' summer James.  I've been busy as hell and it's too damn hot to spend a lot of time in the studio.  When you live up north, you suck up al lthe summer you can.  I'm going to be busy for another two months before things start to slow down and descend into the freezing hell and boredom that is winter :)

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/17 21:17:18 (permalink)
Philip


Other 'valid' reasons you/I may post less and less frequently is that:

1) you 'wouldn't want to offer a turd', twice.

2) Worse, you get tired of getting diss'd on the forum (lack of feedback from those you love).  You are dependent on each other, as loving persons, not actors.

3) Your song is almost impossible to get finished right as you await inspiration

4) Your collab partner diss's you (per Shawn, Chappel, myself, etc.).  Procrastination: "Delay is ever fatal to those that are prepared"

5) You don't want to be a burden, stumblingblock, offense, troll, etc.

6) Your/my message, performance, skills, etc. you dutifully 'discover': vanity of vanities!  Ouch!

7) You want to play/perform with those who are honest, serious, and not too manic-depressive (I fear we all are a bit wacko)

These might be completely valid reasons, IMHO, to stop printing vain songs on this forum and wait awhile.

Phillip, this sounds so cynical :-(

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/17 21:33:36 (permalink)
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Philip


Other 'valid' reasons you/I may post less and less frequently is that:

1) you 'wouldn't want to offer a turd', twice.

2) Worse, you get tired of getting diss'd on the forum (lack of feedback from those you love).  You are dependent on each other, as loving persons, not actors.

3) Your song is almost impossible to get finished right as you await inspiration

4) Your collab partner diss's you (per Shawn, Chappel, myself, etc.).  Procrastination: "Delay is ever fatal to those that are prepared"

5) You don't want to be a burden, stumblingblock, offense, troll, etc.

6) Your/my message, performance, skills, etc. you dutifully 'discover': vanity of vanities!  Ouch!

7) You want to play/perform with those who are honest, serious, and not too manic-depressive (I fear we all are a bit wacko)

These might be completely valid reasons, IMHO, to stop printing vain songs on this forum and wait awhile.

Phillip, this sounds so cynical :-(
I gotta agree with him on #7.


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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/17 21:47:17 (permalink)
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...As far as "covers"<~~~My take on this.     I have worked with alot of
musician's in the last 6 years doing live sound engineer work.
Some bands can pull off a good cover while some bands smoke their own
music, but when it comes to a cover,  they fall short.

I have to work with bands that do cover's alot.  They are mostly bands
for hire  to provide entertainment in a variety of events like private parties,
You have to be able to do cover's.    Alot of them or else your not going to get
the job.

Tim

One of the best "cover bands" ever were The Beatles. They took other people's music and made it their own. That's the way I approach doing a cover. I never try to "copy" a song and the original is just a starting point. It's like all the actors who have played Hamlet on stage. Same character on paper but a good actor becomes the role and puts his own interpretation and inspiration into it.

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 01:52:53 (permalink)
Chappel


Scoobie


...As far as "covers"<~~~My take on this.     I have worked with alot of
musician's in the last 6 years doing live sound engineer work.
Some bands can pull off a good cover while some bands smoke their own
music, but when it comes to a cover,  they fall short.

I have to work with bands that do cover's alot.  They are mostly bands
for hire  to provide entertainment in a variety of events like private parties,
You have to be able to do cover's.    Alot of them or else your not going to get
the job.

Tim

One of the best "cover bands" ever were The Beatles. They took other people's music and made it their own. That's the way I approach doing a cover. I never try to "copy" a song and the original is just a starting point. It's like all the actors who have played Hamlet on stage. Same character on paper but a good actor becomes the role and puts his own interpretation and inspiration into it.

I'd have to disagree with that.  Not that the Beatles weren't one of the best cover bands in their early years, but that they "made the song their own".  They were actually pretty true to the orignal of most if not all the songs they covered, contrast that with Joe Cocker for instance or Smith and others who did change the entire character of the song's they covered and did "make them theirs" good or bad.
 
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 01:56:05 (permalink)
The forum is dying because too many people are commenting on this thread? And not enough people are commenting on the music being posted?

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 02:23:13 (permalink)
I'll admit I comment alot more when I have posted a song, but I do listen more than I post as well, and comment even when I have nothing posted.  It's hard to come up with stuff too say though and not start sounding like a broken record even if you are being sincere.

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 16:22:43 (permalink)
Yeh, just make up a form response :-) It's much more time efficient. If you word it carefully, it can work for any song.

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 16:35:22 (permalink)
droddey
Yeh, just make up a form response :-) It's much more time efficient. If you word it carefully, it can work for any song. 

Now there is an idea whose time has come My new form response is it's entirety:



"Love the chorus, and the intro.
Sounds great!
Keep up the good work! I always look forward to your stuff!
Take care!

Factory Yoyo"

My post count is gonna rock!
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 16:38:57 (permalink)
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droddey
Yeh, just make up a form response :-) It's much more time efficient. If you word it carefully, it can work for any song. 

Now there is an idea whose time has come My new form response is it's entirety:



"Love the chorus, and the intro.
Sounds great!
Keep up the good work! I always look forward to your stuff!
Take care!

Factory Yoyo"

My post count is gonna rock!


 
Great post James.
 
One of your best for sure.
 

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 16:41:43 (permalink)
I think someone hacked his account.  lol
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 16:46:48 (permalink)
or...

"I'd like to think that if that tune did it for me, I'd be the luckiest guy in the world"
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 16:54:29 (permalink)
Not sure i get it....in fact i'm sure i don't.

WTF is important about post count?  I'm lost.

It could be that some of us really do like most of what we hear.    If i could hear all the wrong stuff in these tracks i'd be good enough to not need posting my stuff here.
I can't hear it.  So i post.  If you really think ppl just spew out crap to build a post count then i agree, the forum is dead.

I've been around here for few years and i can honestly say i've VERY Rarely witnessed someone getting bent out of shape over criticism.   I can count on one hand the times i've seen it happen.  Nothing wrong with not commenting because that's the way you deal with not liking it.  But to not comment because you worry you sound insincere is not the kind of thinking that keeps ANY forum going.
post edited by No How - 2011/07/18 17:26:51

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 17:25:46 (permalink)
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Not sure i get it....in fact i'm sure i don't.

WTF is important about post count?  I'm lost.

It could be that some of us really do like most of what we hear.   (As for myself, i don't have techy ears and can not offer techy advice other than very basic.)
Dan's point is that he will comment less for fear of sounding insincere.  Too bad.  Don't worry about folks who think the only valuable post is one that finds something wrong.  We need both.  If i could hear all the wrong stuff in these tracks i'd be good enough to not need posting my stuff here.
I can't hear it.  So i post.  If you really think ppl just spew out crap to build a post count then i agree, the forum is dead.

  I think he was just being facetious and extending a bit of humor in earlier posts.   I expect that those who are professional at this stuff will be more critical because that's how they approach a lot of the music they hear. They have rooms and speakers that allow them to hear things that I, and many others, don't. I feel my role is to provide feedback as a layman. I like something or I don't like something. That's how a lot of people hear things. Everyone would like a pat on the back so if I listen to something and like it, I say so. A song doesn't have to be perfect or have pristine audio qualities for me to like it. I don't like things because I think it was recorded, mixed and mastered perfectly; I like a song because of what has to say, if it has a nice melody, a good vibe, nice harmonies, good musicianship, a good beat... that's what I like in a song.

 There may be something that stands out that I think that could be improved so I may or not mention that, and if I do I know it's because I think the poster wants to know how others are perceiving their music. I think many others here do the same thing and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 19:36:51 (permalink)

No How


Not sure i get it....in fact i'm sure i don't.

WTF is important about post count?  I'm lost.

It could be that some of us really do like most of what we hear.    If i could hear all the wrong stuff in these tracks i'd be good enough to not need posting my stuff here.
I can't hear it.  So i post.  If you really think ppl just spew out crap to build a post count then i agree, the forum is dead.

I've been around here for few years and i can honestly say i've VERY Rarely witnessed someone getting bent out of shape over criticism.   I can count on one hand the times i've seen it happen.  Nothing wrong with not commenting because that's the way you deal with not liking it.  But to not comment because you worry you sound insincere is not the kind of thinking that keeps ANY forum going.

Rick, you totally missed my sarcasm...I was having some fun at my own expense, cuz in fact us here at Factory Yoyo don't pull punches!

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 19:56:43 (permalink)
Yo yo YO! Yoyo factory is brutal... BRUTAL!

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 20:07:45 (permalink)
It was good sarcasm, James.  Since i've gotten so old and short nearly everything's over my head now.

Never mind me.   Bad day at the office.  

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 21:11:49 (permalink)
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here......

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/18 22:56:58 (permalink)
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No How


Not sure i get it....in fact i'm sure i don't.

WTF is important about post count?  I'm lost.

It could be that some of us really do like most of what we hear.    If i could hear all the wrong stuff in these tracks i'd be good enough to not need posting my stuff here.
I can't hear it.  So i post.  If you really think ppl just spew out crap to build a post count then i agree, the forum is dead.

I've been around here for few years and i can honestly say i've VERY Rarely witnessed someone getting bent out of shape over criticism.   I can count on one hand the times i've seen it happen.  Nothing wrong with not commenting because that's the way you deal with not liking it.  But to not comment because you worry you sound insincere is not the kind of thinking that keeps ANY forum going.

Rick, you totally missed my sarcasm...I was having some fun at my own expense, cuz in fact us here at Factory Yoyo don't pull punches!

dang Rick... I thought (hoped) maybe, it was my post you didn't get...
 
I must be losing my touch...
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/19 03:19:32 (permalink)
Actually, I'm going to create a VST. You just import the person's track into SONAR, load this VST, and it will generate a targeted response for you to post.

"I love that this song is 2:382 seconds long (plus 32 samples), more songs should be this length. Keep up the good work!"

"I find it exciting that you often peak exactly 0.2 dB below full scale, and yet I detect only minimal inter-sample clipping. Definitely keep up the great work!"
 
"The frequency slope of your mix (5db per octave) is perfectly suited to this type of material. Wow, keep up the great work!"

"I was very much moved by the rounding of transients in this song. So much music today fails to understand the power of this type of transient shaping. Great work, keep it up!"

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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/19 22:55:03 (permalink)
Well I sure as heck hope this forum doesn't fold.  I don't participate as much as I would like to (for almost all of the reasons stated above +) but I have to say that I am very appreciative of the forum.  I not only have learned a great deal by the comments on the songs that I have submitted but I learn by reading comments made on other songs posted.  I am almost to the point (almost that is) where I feel as if I can start making relevant comments on postings.  This is one of the more relevant forums of which I am aware --- no "hot shot cowboys" flaming everything that is posted.
Let's keep it going on.
 
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/20 16:44:54 (permalink)
jamesyoyo
Collaborations are hard. My one experience trying to work with someone here ended up with my work being ignored and my PM's unanswered. That was sure a waste of my time.
In my experience I couldn't disagree more....the dozen or so collaborations I have done with people I met on this forum have been respectful, creative, stress-free and very satisfying.
I've had weird experiences collaborating here. I had two people ask me for my help mastering and applying effects, one even offered to pay me ... I offered my help at no charge ... never heard from either again. Doh!

I'm not offended or anything like that. Things happen, people change their mind. Personally, I'd like to collaborate but my internet connection is horribly slow. I can receive files at a semi-tolerable speed, but uploading is painful. Real painful. Like 20k per second painful.


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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/20 16:55:01 (permalink)
rockinrobby

The forum is dying because too many people are commenting on this thread? And not enough people are commenting on the music being posted?
People come here and post and ask for any input and get a response that says "ditto" ... then you wonder why the forum is dying? Uh ... ? There was some really good music in that post ... nothing I would ever venture to do, but the guy was really talented.

The forum isn't dying anyway. It's summer ... everything slows down on the net in the summer except for the handful of diehard's like us who hang out here. As soon as October rolls around we'll all be putting out some Christmas tunes we're starting to work on and things will be all warm and fuzzy again.


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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/20 18:37:35 (permalink)
Oh no, I hope I'm not too late to the game. Then again, if it's a lousy game then who cares. I need to do some listening.
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Re:Cakewalk Songs Forum: Should someone administer Last Rites? 2011/07/20 19:25:22 (permalink)
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