I've got the manual but I don't have the Vsampler. What would you like to know?




Just kidding...first post! This is great dialog for someone trying to decide whether to upgrade from 2XL to 3Pro. I'm really interested in getting a sampler and at this point am not upgrading for the other goodies. This is making me seriously consider Kompakt, Kontakt or some other option. Maybe I'll just wait for Sonar 4.0 that won't support or even allow Vsampler to load.

ORIGINAL: Bill OConnell

People who are ticked off post messages; people who are satisfied spend their time making music instead.

Oh jeez--my pet peeve. Here goes:

I hear the above more and more now from everybody, it seems.

Did God whisper this huge assumption into everyone's ear but mine?

It's like saying: "People who are sick are at the doctor's. All others are busy living happy, healthy lives."

Some people never post in forums. Some people tough it out themselves and never seek help. Some people just buy a different program and don't announce it.

Well, I'm sorry I pushed your button. The words "In general," should have appeared in front of "People who are ticked off post messages ...."; Or perhaps I should have said "People who are ticked off about a product tend to ...." vs. "people who are satisfied with a product tend to use it ....". I thought my general point was clear, but that's generalities for you.... And fwiw, God didn't whisper it in my ear, I've just fielded a lot of user comments over the years ....

The fact is we don't *know* what is going on with the huge number of people who never post on this forum, except for those with whom we are acquainted.

Nothing personal. Just had to get that off my chest. I feel better now. :-)

A bit further in the paragraph that ticked you off, I said:

I don't think anyone can draw conclusions about "the larger community" based on posts in this thread.

... so I think we're in violent agreement, at least on that point.
No offense intended.

My own pet peeves revolve around people who feel "entitled", who think they should get what they want because they want it.... Never mind. I'd better nip this rant in the bud. There are certainly legit issues around VSampler, on both sides, but I've written enough about that too.

And it's good that you feel better now :-)

Peace,

- Jim

Translation: "No it won't use disk streaming it will use DRC2 which is just as good as disk streaming."

But you probably knew that already right?

ORIGINAL: Jim Wright

I understand why many of the posters are upset; I want a usable manual too.

What if we (the folks in this forum who are learning how to use it) wrote one?

Dale

i'm here to tell you that vsampler is the most confounding, confusing and user unfriendly application i have ever used. i have spent over 15 hrs of screwing around with this and i am seemingly further away in understanding this thing as when i started. i know that it's always darkest before the dawn but this is rediculous. i'm thinking about scrapping the entire program, sonar and all. the main reason i tried sonar was because of the integrated sampler. now, i find, that not only do i have to pay to upgrade to the full version, but the sampler itself is, to me, is entirly unuseable. it is so confusing i have lost my mind. the fact that we still don't have a manual to this rediculous thing is almost the most unbelieveable irony i've ever known.

sorry for the rant but i am comming off a two hour session of trying to figure out this thing with NO progress at all. i know it's powerful when you get it and that's what makes me crazy. i'll keep trying for a while but my patience is wearing extremely thin. advanced calculus was a walk in the park compared to this.

i wish all that are stuggling the best of luck,

dan

While I can understand people's frustrations about the manual issue,- and this disk streaming issue - lets not forget that virtual sampler is damn cheap.

I guess Kontakt would be the comparable sampler - how much more is that?


I personally use virtual sampler everyday in the studio and get a huge amount of ££££ use out of it.

It's not THAT difficult - I mean, it might take a few hours twiddling but it's quite straightforward really.

To add sampler functionality to sonar3pro virtual sampler does a fine job. Maybe Cakewalk should bring together all the info on the forums about how to use it and stick it in a Virtual sampler Help Forum.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

ORIGINAL: Scott Reams

On a human level, I totally agree.

Technically... they may have the upper hand, because what you paid for with Sonar3P was VSampler3... which does not have and does not advertise having disk streaming.

-S

I have previously defended those critcizing Maz on this Forum. However, I swear that I read on his web page that V3.1 would be a free upgrade to all
registered VSampler users, and Disk streaming was listed as a 3.1 feature,
not a Standalone 3.1 feature. VSampler was the main reason I purchased
Sonar3 Producer and Calkwalk advertized it a the premier feature.
I am now getting a bit tired of Sonar 3 users being treated as second class
Vsampler users.
If it was Maz's intention to charge for the 3.1 upgrade he should have not
advertized it a free for anyone.
Art5

In short, owners of the version bundled with SONAR 3 will get all bugfixes, but only a subset of new functionality

IOW, Maz gets the goldmine, we get the shaft.