jpetersen
Now that Sonar's free, mugs and Ts could be part of a new income stream.

Well, apparently not only are they giving away Sonar for free, but giving out free mugs, T's, watches, guitars, and a special night out with Angus Young. So, while I now have Sonar for life, a night out with Angus, will probably see me dead in a fortnight.....bringing about a new motto....
 
SONAR for Life, or thereabouts !!
 
Now, where's my mug cake ? While I'm still alive if you please.....

SilverBlueMedallion
Just adding my 2 cents to this "social justice warrior" thread.   I say, let people post ANYTHING they want.  Freedom of speech buddy.

Im all for freedom of speech as well, but when its on someone else's paid website (cakewalk).
Then its not really freedom of speech. It called being disruptive. Remember, this isn't Twitter or Facebook.
 
I don't think we are talking about people who have issues and explain them in a constructive, productive way.
we are talking about people who constant this forum with nothing better to do than make it their life mission to smear cakewalks name in the grass.

Anderton
I also think what the OP is referring to also involves thread titles like "Linked MIDI Clip Bug!!" where the issue is not a bug, and the post starts off with "Found a seriously annoying bug." A lot of people instead phrase topics like this as a question, e.g., "Linked MIDI Clip Bug?" which makes more sense. 
 
With the original thread title, someone might just assume there's a linked MIDI clip bug and never find out otherwise. But with a question, someone will be more inclined to open the thread to see if there's an answer, and in the process, learn something about how SONAR defines the length of MIDI clips, and how that relates to the different ways in which you can link clips. Or if it really is a bug, then people will be more inclined to confirm it in order to answer the question.

Yeah my opinion is there's two ways to approach a frustration.  You can come on and "vent" (aka fling verbal poop all over) but then everyone is just covered in poop in the end.  Or you can come in and say "This is what I'm observing, is there anyone experiencing this or any ideas on how to deal with it?"  I like the second approach better.  I think everyone on here, including the Cakewalk staff, is here to help and wants people to have a good experience with the software. 

I am in the "you only find what you're looking for" or "you get back what you're putting out" camp and approach the forum with that attitude. If I'm bumping into gripers, I take a break and like the Beepster says, go put on my "happy pants" or find something to do that moves my attitude up there!
 
I don't ever take any crap/negativity personally........  and minding my own business really simplifies my life in a huge way. I appreciate all the contributors to this forum and all the things I learn each time I visit.
Michael

If this thread is about 'haters' or 'trolls', well, is not much you can do about that than identify and monitor them, then if they become a real problem ban them, though that becomes a nightmare in itself, as they start using proxies and new aliases, if they are serious offenders with the tool set and IT knowledge these people tend to have, you just wont be able to keep them out unless you restrict membership to people you know in person only.
 
Anyhow that is realm of forum admins and cakewalk, as it can be PR headache if done wrong.
 
Sometimes the people you think are trolling or haters are not, and its better to catch them in house, rather than them spread their sorry tales.
 
Here is a link to a story I read last week, about the sort of thing that can go wrong on forums when negative people are not listened too.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost...ic-no-s_b_9873638.html

chuckebaby

SilverBlueMedallion
Just adding my 2 cents to this "social justice warrior" thread.   I say, let people post ANYTHING they want.  Freedom of speech buddy.

Im all for freedom of speech as well, but when its on someone else's paid website (cakewalk).
Then its not really freedom of speech. It called being disruptive. Remember, this isn't Twitter or Facebook.
 
I don't think we are talking about people who have issues and explain them in a constructive, productive way.
we are talking about people who constant this forum with nothing better to do than make it their life mission to smear cakewalks name in the grass.

hmmm i would have to see one of those posts, I am on here semi-regulary and have not seen such posts.   And yes, it is a private forum, but why shouldn't a private forum also allow free speech?  why not mimic the great model?

SilverBlueMedallion
why shouldn't a private forum also allow free speech?  why not mimic the great model?

The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, meaning you won't be punished for speaking your mind. It does not, however, guarantee anyone a venue or a willing audience.

SilverBlueMedallion

chuckebaby

SilverBlueMedallion
Just adding my 2 cents to this "social justice warrior" thread.   I say, let people post ANYTHING they want.  Freedom of speech buddy.

Im all for freedom of speech as well, but when its on someone else's paid website (cakewalk).
Then its not really freedom of speech. It called being disruptive. Remember, this isn't Twitter or Facebook.
 
I don't think we are talking about people who have issues and explain them in a constructive, productive way.
we are talking about people who constant this forum with nothing better to do than make it their life mission to smear cakewalks name in the grass.

hmmm i would have to see one of those posts, I am on here semi-regulary and have not seen such posts.

 
There's one guy in particular who has posted under multiple aliases and his rants are always the same - extremely long posts about how SONAR is unuseable, everything else is better but particularly Studio One and Reaper, etc. Nobody likes him so they just get upset, which of course is his goal. The reason why you don't see his posts is because past a certain point they just get deleted. Everyone should freshen up their act periodically 
 

And yes, it is a private forum, but why shouldn't a private forum also allow free speech?

 
To a huge degree, it does. But these forums were created to serve a specific purpose. If I started a thread here called "Is Carmax Any Good for Buying a Used Car?" I would fully expect it to be deleted. The usual forum criterion is that posts need to be appropriate. If you take the free speech thing to its logical extreme, this forum would be so filled with spam ("solve your erectile dysfunction issues with Uncle Bavi's SuperDuper vitamin cream, and while you're at it, stream soccer games for free!") that no one would participate in it.
 
 
 

Yeah I guess maybe my post wasn't necessary, as after scanning through the last few weeks of posts I'd say they are almost all positive. 
 
I think I was just reacting to a combination of a few "doom and gloom" posts that were essentially suggesting that in some form Cakewalk was in financial trouble, that the lifetime updates are a money grab, and that the recent customer service issues are somehow tied into that.  Not so much that these ideas were suggested, but that a few people seemed to be pushing this as an agenda even after the Cakewalk staff had responded on numerous occasions debunking them. 
 
Anyway, thanks to all for a great forum and glad to be part of it.  Just bought the lifetime updates so I'm psyched :)

rlared
Yeah I guess maybe my post wasn't necessary, as after scanning through the last few weeks of posts I'd say they are almost all positive. 
 
I think I was just reacting to a combination of a few "doom and gloom" posts that were essentially suggesting that in some form Cakewalk was in financial trouble, that the lifetime updates are a money grab, and that the recent customer service issues are somehow tied into that.  Not so much that these ideas were suggested, but that a few people seemed to be pushing this as an agenda even after the Cakewalk staff had responded on numerous occasions debunking them. 
 
Anyway, thanks to all for a great forum and glad to be part of it.  Just bought the lifetime updates so I'm psyched :)

Congrats on becoming a Sonar Lifer and also for being a stand up kinda guy/person.

"The world is a reflection of you" (and your attitude), and that can certainly be applied to statements/posts.
Michael
ps Thanks Mesh    That's the perfect track for this thread. Nice all the way around.

OK , now may be a good time for me to break Radio Silence ....
 
I have considered the consequences of doing so and there may only be two possible primary out comes for going here ...
 
1,  People may actually understand where I was coming from in my previous post ( the desired outcome )
or ,
2 , People may think I'm actually running a Highly Well Oiled Campaign to become The Official 2016 Cakewalk Pariah
 
This may come as a big surprise to a lot of people ... 
 
In many areas of communication and everyday normal life there is no such thing as asking a question with out the question being asked bringing up an equally weighted statement ...
 
When a person asks a question or puts a question in a thread topic they may not even be aware that they are also making a statement ..Why not "Think about it " for a moment and let it sink in ...it may become clear if it's a new concept to you .
 
Intelligent people with a little bit of wisdom , tact and a small degree of diplomacy perfectly understand this aspect of the unintended "double edged sword elemental attribute  " of asking any type question in the first place ...
 
Is there a  better way of asking or wording a question with out passing on the unintended possible explosiveness of the potential mirroring Yin and Yang opposite interpretations and statements a poorly worded question can bring up?   Is this even possible ?
 
Exhibit A
 
Can we make this forum more positive ?
 
Exhibit B
 
What can we do here as individual forum members do to make this forum a lot more positive ?
 
You can decide what conveys an intent that is solution based  ,
IMHO ..one of these examples opens a door ..the other ?????
BTW , this is not a judgment , this is a discernment ..there is a diff you know .
 
Having said that , It is not my aim to micro manage the style in which people communicate and pose questions on this forum ...
 
As far as freedom of speech goes , I stand with what I have said in my earlier post in this thread ...
 
I happen to think that I may have failed at clarifying that my level of intensity and passion was not directed at attacking a person or the way they choose to communicate ... for that I will take responsibility
 
 
My level of intensity and passion was focused primarily about setting a boundary about where I stand regarding 
This whole new movement that seems to have taken hold in every level of society where people have taken it upon themselves to constantly police and lower the signal to noise ratio as to what constitutes "The New Frontier in P.C."
Although I may happen to be typing this on a P C that contains an OS that affords me very little autonomy and even less privacy ...I think we all know what I mean when I say P.C..
bringing this back on to topic
 
For those that don't like what I have to say ...IF You want it gone , you can have a mod remove it....
 
I can promise any one who may happen to have any doubts about a few things ...
1, I have never said a word on this forum or anyplace else for that matter that I would not say to somebody's face in person ...
2 , I have always chosen my words very carefully because I have lived long enough to have eaten them on many occasions ...
3 , I am a very outspoken person with integrity and it threatens people ...
 
anyway , that about covers it for now .
 
I WUB you Too
 
Kenny
 

John
Sometimes a question is just a question. 

 
John ,
 
I have been know to over complicate boiling an egg ...
 
Kenny
 
 
 
 
 

kennywtelejazz
OK , now may be a good time for me to break Radio Silence ....
 
I have considered the consequences ...

<wakes with a start>
 
I'm sorry, would you repeat that please?