JayCee99
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Can we make this forum more positive?
I don't know of any other DAW company that regularly interacts with its users on the user forums like Cakewalk does.
I really wish that people would think twice before nitpicking, complaining, and antagonizing Cakewalk on the forums. I feel that there is a huge amount of negativity on the forums in that respect.
I remember when I first got into DAWs about 5 years ago, Cakewalk's forums were a great place to learn and interact. It's still a great forum but now I perceive a lot more negativity. I would love to see it become more positive. . . with the participation of the Cakewalk staff it could be a truly exceptional forum.
For those that agree with my sentiments, let's all be more judicious about when we participate in negative threads.
Some possible examples:
Someone is trolling? Don't encourage them by commenting.
Have concerns that Cakewalk's lifetime updates are a money grab? Express your concerns in a rational and constructive way instead of just making blanket statements that assume the worst.
Having issues with Sonar? Post some actual details and give the community a chance to help.
Think Cakewalk's customer support needs improvement? Make the suggestion, but once the staff answers, go drink a beer and let it go!
Yes, we're all paying customers and we want value for our money. But just try to think about how you'd want to be treated if you were on the receiving end.
Thanks!
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 16:14:01
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 16:51:07
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I agree 100% people need to put their smiley faces on more often 
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 16:55:09
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It's actually my midsummer New Year's resolution.
*pulls up happy pants*
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 17:12:49
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☄ Helpfulby John 2016/07/29 20:35:32
Ditto. I've been playing since I was 13. When I got to college I knew programming was my destiny. Now, after making a move to web programming, I decided to get back into playing more seriously. Enter Sonar. I've been reluctant all these years but I jumped on Platinum. I'm nothing but excited to get into all the programming and bass and software and getting crazy again. Excited to peruse the forum for the first time! That being said....
A forum is a vehicle for a collective and constant improvement for a group that has common interests.
If you're enthusiastic as I am, let's all get in on it! After crawling over literally millions of chat rooms over 20 years during my programming- derisive or unfair or uncalled for stuff never helps anybody. The goal for me is to make myself better and maybe help somebody else, in return, during the process.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 17:33:16
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 17:41:12
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I agree. +1 
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 18:12:04
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rlared
I don't know of any other DAW company that regularly interacts with its users on the user forums like Cakewalk does.
I really wish that people would think twice before nitpicking, complaining, and antagonizing Cakewalk on the forums. I feel that there is a huge amount of negativity on the forums in that respect.
I remember when I first got into DAWs about 5 years ago, Cakewalk's forums were a great place to learn and interact. It's still a great forum but now I perceive a lot more negativity. I would love to see it become more positive. . . with the participation of the Cakewalk staff it could be a truly exceptional forum.
For those that agree with my sentiments, let's all be more judicious about when we participate in negative threads.
Some possible examples:
Someone is trolling? Don't encourage them by commenting.
Have concerns that Cakewalk's lifetime updates are a money grab? Express your concerns in a rational and constructive way instead of just making blanket statements that assume the worst.
Having issues with Sonar? Post some actual details and give the community a chance to help.
Think Cakewalk's customer support needs improvement? Make the suggestion, but once the staff answers, go drink a beer and let it go!
Yes, we're all paying customers and we want value for our money. But just try to think about how you'd want to be treated if you were on the receiving end.
Thanks!
That's because you don't spend any time in other forums. The pollyana ones are often heavily moderated.
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JayCee99
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 18:40:45
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Actually I spend quite a bit of time reading all sorts of forums (Reaper, Studio One, Gearslutz, KVR, Korg, Rolandclan). I would say that Gearslutz is probably the MOST negative actually lol. I think out of all of those, only Korg is heavily moderated.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 19:11:15
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Agreed 100%..
and tbh, given the alacrity with which mods move threads to twilight zone rooms, i can suggest that a ****in & whining room be made...
Then we can ignore it and focus on helping others and offering good tips :D
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bitman
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 19:14:44
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Ok, Yippy Skippy!!
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JayCee99
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 19:16:30
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A "complaints" sub forum is a good idea actually
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bitman
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 19:24:21
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User forums everywhere are generally the Complaint / Suggestion boxes. With the occasional thatnk yous from someone who got their prayers answered.
Not gonna change.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 20:16:51
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☄ Helpfulby John 2016/07/29 20:38:09
This forum is supposed to be about how to get the most out of SONAR. For it to be wonderful, all that's needed is for people to remain true to the mission statement.
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kitekrazy1
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 20:19:57
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rlared
A "complaints" sub forum is a good idea actually
No it's not. It sounds so pussified. I rarely darkened this forum at one time because the polyanna atmosphere that you want was even worse. It was fanboyism. I read a thread where a guy said he was moving on to another DAW because he didn't like the GUI. It was the only negative thing he said. Talk about getting torched. I even read a phrase in another forum "he got beat down Sonar style". Thus was the reputation back then. There is a difference between trolling and complaining. DO you expect the staff view people to shut up? You haven't read enough forums. Reason ditched theirs, complaints exist on Reasontalk. Live users complain that too many updates are towards Push. I do believe comments on KVR about Tracktion 7 are moderated. EastWest will ban you. Complaints are often suggestions. It's not a rocket science to weed through what you want to read. Most people read through the complaints in hopes to get satisfaction by helping that other person.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 20:20:37
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/08/01 15:40:53
Anderton
This forum is supposed to be about how to get the most out of SONAR. For it to be wonderful, all that's needed is for people to remain true to the mission statement.
They call them developers.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 20:22:23
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kitekrazy1
They call them developers.
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 22:10:03
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I would have thought that this forum already is one of the more positive corners if the internet. A pretty good balance between getting to the root of problems and recognising what is great about what we aready have.
Musicians and programmers are a passionate bunch, be they defending or condemning their production weapon of choice. Inevitably sparks will fly:)
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 22:12:41
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Actually, I think this forum is far more positive overall than it used to be. And I think that's because Cakewalk has been responsive and innovative. To a large degree they've fixed what was broken, and implemented the most requested features.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/29 22:53:08
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kitekrazy1
They call them developers.
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
I think what is meant is that it's not a forum member's responsibility to remain true to the mission statement, but it is the responsibility of the developers.
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JayCee99
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/30 00:44:10
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kitekrazy1
rlared
A "complaints" sub forum is a good idea actually
No it's not. It sounds so pussified. I rarely darkened this forum at one time because the polyanna atmosphere that you want was even worse. It was fanboyism. I read a thread where a guy said he was moving on to another DAW because he didn't like the GUI. It was the only negative thing he said. Talk about getting torched. I even read a phrase in another forum "he got beat down Sonar style". Thus was the reputation back then. There is a difference between trolling and complaining. DO you expect the staff view people to shut up?
You haven't read enough forums. Reason ditched theirs, complaints exist on Reasontalk. Live users complain that too many updates are towards Push. I do believe comments on KVR about Tracktion 7 are moderated. EastWest will ban you.
Complaints are often suggestions. It's not a rocket science to weed through what you want to read. Most people read through the complaints in hopes to get satisfaction by helping that other person.
I would consider torching someone for a reasonable comment to be very "negative" as well. Sounds like we don't agree in general on this issue though.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/30 01:04:03
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2016/07/30 10:30:35
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They call them developers.
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
I think what is meant is that it's not a forum member's responsibility to remain true to the mission statement, but it is the responsibility of the developers.
I still don't understand why only the developers need to follow the forum's mission statement. As I said, this forum is about how to get the most out of SONAR - the mission statement shown on the Home page is "Discussion focused on the use of SONAR software." I think it is a forum member's responsibility to be true to the forum's intended purpose.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/30 05:14:23
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Anderton
This forum is supposed to be about how to get the most out of SONAR. For it to be wonderful, all that's needed is for people to remain true to the mission statement.
... seems like the mission statement tends to self destruct in short order, anymore. 
post edited by soens - 2016/07/31 03:52:04
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/30 08:21:37
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Folks are drawn here when things go wrong, so they're already p*****d off and negativity is kinda baked in.
Negative posts are also informative. Between the derision and levity, some real gems of insight get posted by those with the knowledge.
Most of my right click/saved threads are negative ones.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/30 08:37:39
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/07/30 09:16:43
PreferencePlease don't tell me how I'm supposed to process my emotions JUST FOR YOU regarding my use of the SONAR Forum . Absolute FactMy personal upbringing was nothing remotely like any of the TV shows of my youth . Shows like Leave it to Beaver , Father Knows Best or any other Pollyanna drivel along the lines of "Gee Wally Lets paint the world to be what we want it to be as opposed to what it really is" is not a tool in my tool box . Fact I have absolutely no problem with a person choosing that for themselves as their mode of coping with the world and their style of communicating . I'm willing to let you be you as you are . In return you have to be willing to let me be me as I am . FactI do not need your approval nor your validation . Preference based on setting healthy boundarys Please don't try to slam that special brand of BS you've been selling for years down my throat because I'm not buying it ... Factwhen I saw the opening post before any one had posted in it many hours ago , I had enough common sense to just let it go. Setting a boundary
After coming back and reading this again it's like Ok I heard you now you can hear me . Absolute Fact I'm here because I use and LOVE SONAR ... Why else would I be here ? A Long Held Desire Sure , I would like this place to be more positive & peaceful myself... Observation based on years of dealing with people that like to play head games
I do find it disconcerting that a person can have the audacity to publicly post about a collective group of individuals on a forum and their behavior, call them out on all their shortcomings as a group and not even exhibit one iota of the quality's in their own personal communication style that they are looking to get others to conform to  You can decide , I have already made my decision on these last two.
If anyone here on the forum wants me to modify my behavior just for them so they can have me sit on the grass at their feet and listen to them tell me stories about how it supposed to be in SONARLAND while they tell me all about the grasshopper I'm supposed to be hearing in the grass ... They Sure Better have some real super bad SONAR Kung Foo .... Kenny
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/30 08:56:33
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Anderton
bitman
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kitekrazy1
They call them developers.
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
I think what is meant is that it's not a forum member's responsibility to remain true to the mission statement, but it is the responsibility of the developers.
I still don't understand why only the developers need to follow the forum's mission statement. As I said, this forum is about how to get the most out of SONAR - the mission statement shown on the Home page is "Discussion focused on the use of SONAR software." I think it is a forum member's responsibility to be true to the forum's intended purpose.
Oh, Sorry - y'all talkin' bout the forum mission statement, not the company. A forum mission statement? That's pretty grandiose and pie in the sky even if it is in the TOS. Now I want a pony again. >:( :-)
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/30 09:01:37
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Holy Crap this thread is on its way down the pipe. People, smile once in a while. It's only a forum. Everyone has an opinion and human nature tells us that's bound to cause clashes. just respect others opinions and try to get along. I've seen quite a few of these threads over the years and typically what happens is people start reading comments and start taking it personal (is he talking about me ?) a lot of Miscommunication and a lot of people wearing the hangdog face. like I said, lighten up its only a form....and try to smile Because I know I am.
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/30 09:34:46
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This is going well, I see.
To the OP: just a couple of days ago, someone was complaining that the forum is far too positive for its own good, and that it should be more critical.
It's a question of perception and perspective, I suppose. My strategy: I don't care either way. Which is working wonderfully for me.
Talk to the reasonable people, ignore the unreasonable people, don't hesitate to add the absolute berks to your block list. That'll make it fine for you, whatever your individual perspective is.
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JayCee99
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Re: Can we make this forum more positive?
2016/07/30 09:34:58
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Yes smiling is good. We are all quite blessed to have access to such technology and the financial means to get it. But people are free to complain and be negative all they want, it's a free country! I was just stating my observations and request for those who agree.
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