rlared
I don't know if Exhibit B would have fit in the subject line 😃

 
That's cool I get you ,  Been there myself more than once with my own thread titles ...
 
OK , here you go
 
Exhibit C 
 
What can we do as forum members to make this forum a lot more positive ?
 
You see now , even with those changes ,  there is still the lingering implication (on an elemental level of communication ) that there may be issues with negativity  ...it's a little toned down and less defined .....
 
It's a conceptual thing I suppose , sort of like like the way a camera lenses operates when the person changes the focus to highlight the intended picture they are about to capture  .
Or the way a person may choose to highlight different musical passages in a songs mix they are working on ..
 
Those type of creative decisions involve willingly invoking a dynamic level of contrasts between opposites .... 
Newtons Third law :
When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body. 
 
Most people are not aware that they are doing these type of creative activity's on a subconscious level ...
 
 A desire to create movement is always a good first step combined with a clear intention abandoning oneself to the seduction of ones own personal  Muse ...
 
I think on a level of mankind's collective consciousness even though most of us are not mathematicians ....
I'm sure not
We can accept to a large degree some of Newtons Laws of Motion ...
 
For example Newtons First Law ............Just so you know I understand the concept ..not the math
The first law can be stated mathematically when the mass is a non-zero constant, as,

Consequently,

• An object that is at rest will stay at rest unless a force acts upon it.
• An object that is in motion will not change its velocity unless a force acts upon it.

 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion
 
 
IMHO , I happen to think that Highly Creative people accept that they have honed their craft in their creative pursuits to a highly advanced degree to the point where they can totally trust in their ability to bypass their conscious mind altogether ...this is a desired state of mind because it is much closer to an instantaneous fulfillment of ones own unlimited creative expression in real time ..
In the real Time I speak of , Time does not need to exist because there is no longer a need for the measurement of Time itself ....
One gets to abide and ride a formless form of energy to places they have never dreamed of . The hindrance of the choice elements and attributes of the mind have been removed from the equation  ....
 
Just like in a DAW there is latency ..it is also so in the vast realms of the human mind .
When a person is engaged in the surface level thought of the mind where choices and preferences reside ...
They are now engaged  in the activity of having to choose many things on many levels .
This form of mental activity manifests  itself as a form of latency in the realms of the mind and this is exactly the Latency I am speaking of here ...those attributes and levels of the mind can never reside past the level of mind that is aligned with their purpose... The surface level of the mind at this level only serves the purpose of a gate keeper  
   
 
anyway I'm not asking you to change a thing  in your own thread at this point ...
 
I hope I've illustrated some of my concepts to you effectively 
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny
 
 

Hello Earwax ,
 
Yeah simple is cool too ...I wish I knew how to do it
 
When the $hit hits the fan around here , I sometimes have a little scene in my head that helps me deal with all the confusion ...
I make believe that I'm on the Saloon set off a John Wayne Movie while they are filming a Classic John Wayne Saloon Fight Scene....
Punches are flying from all directions , all the furniture is getting all broken up on peoples heads, the whole place is getting trashed , people seem to be enjoying themselves during the scuffle  and when the fight is over .
 
Nobody got hurt and every body is still friends
 
Here's a possible thought to consider on how energy has movement and lot's of power even on a social level ... 
once again using this , 
Newtons Third law :
When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body. 
 
When something new comes from Cakewalk that borders on Revolutionary , it may trigger a bit of resistance and confusion among some of the ranks ..myself included 
These changes may have created a few choice examples of some aspects of Newtons Third Law on a few levels here on the forum.
Including the whole atmosphere of the social and business end of communications from both ends including the customer and the Company ...
Thankfully , I'm grateful the software is always Great and all this other Jazz is just like a passing cloud in the sky..
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny  

Anderton
This forum is supposed to be about how to get the most out of SONAR. For it to be wonderful, all that's needed is for people to remain true to the mission statement.

I realize this is months late, but:  You're a great role model in this regard, Craig.  Always respectful when you disagree, and unfailingly positive.

Man, that is the truth.  I seldom post because I spend most of my time here reading and capturing hints and tips that always help me with Sonar Platinum and very often lead me to new ways to enjoy the program.  Please don't take my usual silence as negative.  I appreciate all you people more than I could ever say.   That is worth its weight in gold alone.  The many possibilities of this software is absolutely tremendous.  Your guidance has made it so much easier to enjoy.  Thank you for your efforts and for being willing to share and help.

i feel there should be NO directive on what kind of mood the forum should have.

i want to hear PURE honesty.  why not?   i mean who is so sensitive that you can't hear  someone's gripes?
 
I hate filters.

I see a few negative posts now and then but on the whole the forum is a respectful and helpful place.

AdamGrossmanLG
i feel there should be NO directive on what kind of mood the forum should have.

i want to hear PURE honesty.  why not?   i mean who is so sensitive that you can't hear  someone's gripes?
 
I hate filters.

Then you shouldn't even be here, because you're forced to deal with the biggest filter of all: a text-only medium. It filters out all nuance, body language, and expressiveness.
 
Also, there is a difference between honesty and negativity. It's entirely possible to be honest and positive; it just takes a little more effort (or in some cases, self-control).
 
A forum is a place "a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged." People will have a more enjoyable experience if discussions can occur without an overlay of negativity. I can't think of any situation where a lack of civility is preferable to civility.

C'mon, if you try really hard you can bring positivity into ANY scenario you could care to think of.
 
There are far, far worse things going on in the world than a piece of software not functioning properly/not being used correctly and they don't let it stop them.

the need to be seen as right is often needed when trying to prove a point not many understand.   



and quotes like:
 
"There are far, far worse things going on in the world than a piece of software not functioning properly/not being used correctly and they don't let it stop them."
 
OF COURSE!  Nothing is life or death here, but this is a forum ABOUT CAKEWALK!!!   if this isn't the right place to post gripes, where is?  LOL

everyone took my post about poor MIDI implementation as if my life is forever destroyed LOL.  Far from that.  I was simply making a post, but people can't seem to handle it.

AdamGrossmanLG

Anderton

AdamGrossmanLG
i feel there should be NO directive on what kind of mood the forum should have.

i want to hear PURE honesty.  why not?   i mean who is so sensitive that you can't hear  someone's gripes?
 
I hate filters.

Then you shouldn't even be here, because you're forced to deal with the biggest filter of all: a text-only medium. It filters out all nuance, body language, and expressiveness.
 
Also, there is a difference between honesty and negativity. It's entirely possible to be honest and positive; it just takes a little more effort (or in some cases, self-control).
 
A forum is a place "a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged." People will have a more enjoyable experience if discussions can occur without an overlay of negativity. I can't think of any situation where a lack of civility is preferable to civility.

what about if there is something to be negative about?  

Then you handle it in the most appropriate way that will obtain the desired results.
 
Example: You're at a party and some guy's fly is open.
 
Negative approach: Say in a loud voice "Hey! Look at the stupid moron who isn't bright enough to zip up his fly after peeing! Hahahah!"
 
Positive approach: Take the guy aside and say "Excuse me, your fly is open."
 
In both cases the person is being honest. But one approach is negative (and also intrudes on other people), while the other is positive.

Anderton

AdamGrossmanLG

Anderton

AdamGrossmanLG
i feel there should be NO directive on what kind of mood the forum should have.

i want to hear PURE honesty.  why not?   i mean who is so sensitive that you can't hear  someone's gripes?
 
I hate filters.

Then you shouldn't even be here, because you're forced to deal with the biggest filter of all: a text-only medium. It filters out all nuance, body language, and expressiveness.
 
Also, there is a difference between honesty and negativity. It's entirely possible to be honest and positive; it just takes a little more effort (or in some cases, self-control).
 
A forum is a place "a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged." People will have a more enjoyable experience if discussions can occur without an overlay of negativity. I can't think of any situation where a lack of civility is preferable to civility.

what about if there is something to be negative about?  

Then you handle it in the most appropriate way that will obtain the desired results.
 
Example: You're at a party and some guy's fly is open.
 
Negative approach: Say in a loud voice "Hey! Look at the stupid moron who isn't bright enough to zip up his fly after peeing! Hahahah!"
 
Positive approach: Take the guy aside and say "Excuse me, your fly is open."
 
In both cases the person is being honest. But one approach is negative (and also intrudes on other people), while the other is positive.

I did the positive approach along with many other users for YEARS about the issues with MIDI.   I knew this time I needed a different approach.

Here's a test for you;

Next time someone ask a question like where can I find out more about the included plugins? Go find out.

One answer is to instantiate the plugin and press F1 to open up that plugins help file. Great.

Another Is info in the manual/reference guide? There's a reference guide? Ah that hasn't been updated since X3 or something is a common reply.

Recent update was 2017/12 for the Sonar Reference Guide.pdf, located in C:/Program Files/Cakewalk/Sonar Platinum.
Online reference guide is updated with every release.

Just spend a few minutes going through the table of contents (50 pages) and you'll see that you not only get a very comprehensive answer but you'll accidentally pick up info about the location of lots of other info that will help you another time.

mudgel

Another Is info in the manual/reference guide? There's a reference guide? Ah that hasn't been updated since X3 or something is a common reply.

Recent update was 2017/12 for the Sonar Reference Guide.pdf, located in C:/Program Files/Cakewalk/Sonar Platinum.
Online reference guide is updated with every release.

there is a huge difference between 'being updated' and being 'up to date' i am sure as a student of the manual, you are aware as most people are that there are many entries that are outdated, and many entries that simply don't work as described in the real world, or don't work at all, without the need for one of many workarounds which new users will likely not know about . . . so to the forums they come

Ignoring option for 'complaints' is not very hard...is it? Don't mean to be a negative strike here....but maybe for some, having a place to vent is good for them....??
I understand however people's frustration with 'goodbye cruel cakewalk' posts...lol.....but ahh :-)
no biggie really....is it??