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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 14:52:03 (permalink)
Much better than our old system...


I'm still waiting to say that about SAP.

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 16:13:05 (permalink)
You're possibly too young to remember Vinyl recordings Axe.
Sometimes they would get a crack in them and when the needle
hit the crack it would bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....
bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....
bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....
bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....
bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....

You are very much like a cracked record.


ORIGINAL: axe

Wow, there are some bruised egos out there. My suggestion would to be to involve less emotion in your discussions. This are inanimate objects and neither company cares about anything but making money. It is just that their approaches and visions are completely different.

Microsoft is the OS factory and their focus is volume and pricing not quality. Microsoft's problems with Vista being lack luster and dropping promised features after an extremely long (6 year?) development cycle is evidence of the giant corporation they have become. It is quite difficult to maneuver and just about impossible to innovate as we have seen. For the business environment that is not really a big deal as there is really little the OS needs to provide other than stability and security (unfortunately Windows struggles here). Office and applications of this nature handle the actually day to day chores. For multimedia, that is another matter all together.

Apple is more focused on the quality of the computing experience and takes complete responsibility for that hardware to deliver a higher quality experience. This seems to be suiting a lot of people these days and I believe that it points to a trend for a lot of reasons. Computing power has reached a level where the actual performance of the machine is not the key factor anymore. Everything but the bargain PC's can perform quite well (barring Firewall/Virus/Spyware software). I believe the new standard emerging is the usability of the computer and its integration with other devices you may have. If you look at it from this direction you can start to understand what Apple thinks is going to be successful.

All things change and there was a day you had to geek out to have a reasonable hardware platform to run your DAW on. Those days are passing.

You can easily produce music/video/photo/web/CD/DVD and streaming content quite successfully with the present Intel Macs right out of the box. Add the support structure provided by Apple and you really have to admit there is nothing like it in the PC industry. Whether it is for you or not is another matter.



post edited by bigweb - 2007/04/16 16:28:19
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 16:18:57 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: axe
Microsoft is the OS factory and their focus is volume and pricing not quality. Microsoft's problems with Vista being lack luster and dropping promised features after an extremely long (6 year?) development cycle is evidence of the giant corporation they have become. It is quite difficult to maneuver and just about impossible to innovate as we have seen.


Your ignorance is exceeded only by your stupidity on this subject Axe.

Back in 1997 just after Steve Jobs returned to Apple
after it had almost gone broke, it was a certain Mr Bill Gates
who made a small but important investment that brought
Apple back from the brink....

Only $150 million US but it saved Apple from extinction.

Here's what Steve Jobs himself said about that investment.

"We have to let go of the notion that in order for Apple to win,
Microsoft has to lose," he told the shocked crowd at the MacWorld
Expo show.
"The era of setting this up as a competition between Apple and
Microsoft is over as far as I'm concerned."


LINK 1

LINK 2

LINK 3

post edited by bigweb - 2007/04/16 16:27:04
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 16:24:49 (permalink)
You're possibly too young to remember Vinyl recordings Axe.
Sometimes they would get a crack in them and when the needle
hit thecrack ir would bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....
bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....
bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....
bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....
bounce back a couple of grooves....hit the crack.....

You know, back in the mists of a distant time, when CDs were a new fangled thing, one of our former producers put an effect at the end of one of the first CDs we ever produced. the effect was that of a vinyl stylys skipping and repeating the last bar of the outro of a CD.
LOADS of CDs were returned, complaining that they were scratched!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 16:29:34 (permalink)
hehehehe

Your producer must've been very pleased with his effort.

The "effect" was very effective.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 16:32:09 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: bigweb

hehehehe

Your producer must've been very pleased with his effort.

The "effect" was very effective.

Indeed he was! He still works with us occasionally, he produces some of our classical recordings. He's got an incredible ear for pitch, and he's a diamond geezer to boot!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 16:39:08 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: axe
All things change and there was a day you had to geek out to have a
reasonable hardware platform to run your DAW on.
Those days are passing.

No they are not.
Making art or music or doing anything creative,
requires years of practice and learning.
For some artists/musicians, building the machine
which they will use to do the creating, it's just as much
a part of the process as learning an instrument or
music theory....

It's much like building your own instrument.

It's not for everyone, but many us who are capable
of doing it derive just as much pleasure from it as
we do from the making the art/music it enables
us to create.
You can easily produce music/video/photo/web/CD/DVD and
streaming content quite successfully with the present Intel Macs
right out of the box. Add the support structure provided by
Apple and you really have to admit there is nothing like it in the
PC industry. Whether it is for you or not is another matter.


Can you point us to some of this content?
And it has to be "right out of the box"..
No "extras" like Logic 7 or anything that
doesn't already come "in the box".
post edited by bigweb - 2007/04/16 16:42:33
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 17:56:11 (permalink)
Wow, there are some bruised egos out there. My suggestion would to be to involve less emotion in your discussions. This are inanimate objects and neither company cares about anything but making money. It is just that their approaches and visions are completely different.

Microsoft is the OS factory and their focus is volume and pricing not quality. Microsoft's problems with Vista being lack luster and dropping promised features after an extremely long (6 year?) development cycle is evidence of the giant corporation they have become. It is quite difficult to maneuver and just about impossible to innovate as we have seen. For the business environment that is not really a big deal as there is really little the OS needs to provide other than stability and security (unfortunately Windows struggles here). Office and applications of this nature handle the actually day to day chores. For multimedia, that is another matter all together.

Apple is more focused on the quality of the computing experience and takes complete responsibility for that hardware to deliver a higher quality experience. This seems to be suiting a lot of people these days and I believe that it points to a trend for a lot of reasons. Computing power has reached a level where the actual performance of the machine is not the key factor anymore. Everything but the bargain PC's can perform quite well (barring Firewall/Virus/Spyware software). I believe the new standard emerging is the usability of the computer and its integration with other devices you may have. If you look at it from this direction you can start to understand what Apple thinks is going to be successful.

All things change and there was a day you had to geek out to have a reasonable hardware platform to run your DAW on. Those days are passing.

You can easily produce music/video/photo/web/CD/DVD and streaming content quite successfully with the present Intel Macs right out of the box. Add the support structure provided by Apple and you really have to admit there is nothing like it in the PC industry. Whether it is for you or not is another matter.

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 18:14:00 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: axe

Wow, there are some bruised egos out there. My suggestion would to be to involve less emotion in your discussions. This are inanimate objects and neither company cares about anything but making money. It is just that their approaches and visions are completely different.

Microsoft is the OS factory and their focus is volume and pricing not quality. Microsoft's problems with Vista being lack luster and dropping promised features after an extremely long (6 year?) development cycle is evidence of the giant corporation they have become. It is quite difficult to maneuver and just about impossible to innovate as we have seen. For the business environment that is not really a big deal as there is really little the OS needs to provide other than stability and security (unfortunately Windows struggles here). Office and applications of this nature handle the actually day to day chores. For multimedia, that is another matter all together.

Apple is more focused on the quality of the computing experience and takes complete responsibility for that hardware to deliver a higher quality experience. This seems to be suiting a lot of people these days and I believe that it points to a trend for a lot of reasons. Computing power has reached a level where the actual performance of the machine is not the key factor anymore. Everything but the bargain PC's can perform quite well (barring Firewall/Virus/Spyware software). I believe the new standard emerging is the usability of the computer and its integration with other devices you may have. If you look at it from this direction you can start to understand what Apple thinks is going to be successful.

All things change and there was a day you had to geek out to have a reasonable hardware platform to run your DAW on. Those days are passing.

You can easily produce music/video/photo/web/CD/DVD and streaming content quite successfully with the present Intel Macs right out of the box. Add the support structure provided by Apple and you really have to admit there is nothing like it in the PC industry. Whether it is for you or not is another matter.



LOL!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 19:05:14 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: axe
All things change and there was a day you had to geek out to have a reasonable hardware platform to run your DAW on. Those days are passing.
No they are not.
Making art or music or doing anything creative,
requires years of practice and learning.
For some artists/musicians, building the machine
which they will use to do the creating, it's just as much
a part of the process as learning an instrument or
music theory....

It's much like building your own instrument.

It's not for everyone, but many us who are capable
of doing it derive just as much pleasure from it as
we do from the making the art/music it enables
us to create
You can easily produce music/video/photo/web/CD/DVD and streaming content quite successfully with the present Intel Macs right out of the box. Add the support structure provided by Apple and you really have to admit there is nothing like it in the PC industry. Whether it is for you or not is another matter.
Can you point us to some of this content?
And it has to be "right out of the box"..
No "extras" like Logic 7 or anything that
doesn't already come "in the box".

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 19:06:33 (permalink)
Wow, there are some bruised egos out there. My suggestion would to be to involve less emotion in your discussions. This are inanimate objects and neither company cares about anything but making money. It is just that their approaches and visions are completely different.

Microsoft is the OS factory and their focus is volume and pricing not quality. Microsoft's problems with Vista being lack luster and dropping promised features after an extremely long (6 year?) development cycle is evidence of the giant corporation they have become. It is quite difficult to maneuver and just about impossible to innovate as we have seen. For the business environment that is not really a big deal as there is really little the OS needs to provide other than stability and security (unfortunately Windows struggles here). Office and applications of this nature handle the actually day to day chores. For multimedia, that is another matter all together.

Apple is more focused on the quality of the computing experience and takes complete responsibility for that hardware to deliver a higher quality experience. This seems to be suiting a lot of people these days and I believe that it points to a trend for a lot of reasons. Computing power has reached a level where the actual performance of the machine is not the key factor anymore. Everything but the bargain PC's can perform quite well (barring Firewall/Virus/Spyware software). I believe the new standard emerging is the usability of the computer and its integration with other devices you may have. If you look at it from this direction you can start to understand what Apple thinks is going to be successful.

All things change and there was a day you had to geek out to have a reasonable hardware platform to run your DAW on. Those days are passing.

You can easily produce music/video/photo/web/CD/DVD and streaming content quite successfully with the present Intel Macs right out of the box. Add the support structure provided by Apple and you really have to admit there is nothing like it in the PC industry. Whether it is for you or not is another matter.


Now that is actually funny...axe, YOU DA MAN!!!!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 19:30:20 (permalink)
Show us this amazing content Axe.
Just 1 video.
1 fantastic song.
Anything.
Where's the content man?
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 20:12:36 (permalink)
Where's the content man?


I'm afraid our bruised egos simply could not handle it. Now...if we were not so upset and a little less afraid, things might be different. But alas...

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 20:22:11 (permalink)
Strange thread, following several other strange threads, and now a new attempt at making a useful thread into yet another strange thread:

Macs rule!!!
Why?
iLife!!!
Who cares?
Everybody, you just don't see the tide turning!!!
But I'm in a different ocean, and I like it here!!!
It doesn't matter... many fish from that ocean want to be in this one, and I need to tell you about it!!!
Which fish, which ocean?
Fish like you. and the ocean in which Macs rule!!!
Why would I change, I like this ocean?
iLife!!
Who cares?
Everybody but the trolls like you on this forum!!
Huh?
You bunch of zealots...
But this is a Windows app's forum...
Not if I can help it.
Why?
Because Macs rule!!!
Why?
iLife...
But I don't care about iLife.
You fear change.
What?
Blocked.
What?
I told you first... you heard it here.
What?
iLife.

Geez.
post edited by inmazevo - 2007/04/16 20:29:19
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 21:46:34 (permalink)
Oh man, that is tooooo good.

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 22:11:33 (permalink)
just got back to my desk and found this completely unsolicited message on my instant messenger


9:45 PM
THIS FRONT ROW THING IS HOTTT!!!
Hehehe
JEAH!!!
Lol
9:50 PM
Yo, kudos to mac...they are tearing it up with their os
nah mean!?!?!?!?
they are killing it
Good grief....aight...lemme go do some laundry and work on a beat or two


of course this stuff is possible on Windows as well. Just seems the people I'm hanging around with keep converting over.



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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 23:07:40 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: D.Triny
of course this stuff is possible on Windows as well.


Yes it is.
Here's 2:
RedRat
KeySpan

Just seems the people I'm hanging around with keep converting over.


Funny about that.....all the people I know
are switching to PC/Vista .... mainly because of:
  1. The price differential (Macs being much more expensive)
  2. Availability and choice of software (Many more options on PC)
  3. The lack of any obvious advantage of Mac over PC

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 23:36:39 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle

ORIGINAL: axe

Wow, there are some bruised egos out there. My suggestion would to be to involve less emotion in your discussions. This are inanimate objects and neither company cares about anything but making money. It is just that their approaches and visions are completely different.

Microsoft is the OS factory and their focus is volume and pricing not quality. Microsoft's problems with Vista being lack luster and dropping promised features after an extremely long (6 year?) development cycle is evidence of the giant corporation they have become. It is quite difficult to maneuver and just about impossible to innovate as we have seen. For the business environment that is not really a big deal as there is really little the OS needs to provide other than stability and security (unfortunately Windows struggles here). Office and applications of this nature handle the actually day to day chores. For multimedia, that is another matter all together.

Apple is more focused on the quality of the computing experience and takes complete responsibility for that hardware to deliver a higher quality experience. This seems to be suiting a lot of people these days and I believe that it points to a trend for a lot of reasons. Computing power has reached a level where the actual performance of the machine is not the key factor anymore. Everything but the bargain PC's can perform quite well (barring Firewall/Virus/Spyware software). I believe the new standard emerging is the usability of the computer and its integration with other devices you may have. If you look at it from this direction you can start to understand what Apple thinks is going to be successful.

All things change and there was a day you had to geek out to have a reasonable hardware platform to run your DAW on. Those days are passing.

You can easily produce music/video/photo/web/CD/DVD and streaming content quite successfully with the present Intel Macs right out of the box. Add the support structure provided by Apple and you really have to admit there is nothing like it in the PC industry. Whether it is for you or not is another matter.



LOL!


Didn't figure you had a response for that one.

It pretty well sums it all up now doesn't it?

That's just where the market is and if you are attempting to make money at this game you better figure it out quickly.
Darwin takes care of it all in the end

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/16 23:40:44 (permalink)
Didn't figure you had a response for that one.
It pretty well sums it all up now doesn't it?


You do realize that you posted the exact same thing twice, once on page 20 and once on page 21.. right? I could be wrong but I think that would have been the LOL. At least it was for me.

And yes, it sure does sum up your opinions fairly well.

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 00:37:53 (permalink)
You do realize that you posted the exact same thing twice, once on page 20 and once on page 21.. right? I could be wrong but I think that would have been the LOL. At least it was for me.

And yes, it sure does sum up your opinions fairly well.


The funniest part is that on the page 21 version at the bottom of the post it says 'in reply to fetishfrog' and yet he blocked me long ago, back in the Productivity thread. Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 03:32:23 (permalink)
You do realize that you posted the exact same thing twice, once on page 20 and once on page 21.. right? I could be wrong but I think that would have been the LOL. At least it was for me.

Absolutely...I thought he was making fun of himself based on us saying he just repeats the same thing over and over...seems he wasn't being witty after all...just really, really axeish. That's very sad, but also kinda funny. Poor axe, I think if he were invited to a marbles match, he'd have to borrow some...
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 04:09:32 (permalink)
I really did actually go to the computer shop in town, and bought an apple though.


why?


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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 04:50:01 (permalink)
You do realize that you posted the exact same thing twice, once on page 20 and once on page 21.. right? I could be wrong but I think that would have been the LOL.

yep, that was exactly it, in fact I thought he was responding to our saying he repeats himself, by actually repeating himself word for word! In fact, i still think that's what he was doing!

original: Jinga8 Absolutely...I thought he was making fun of himself based on us saying he just repeats the same thing over and over

Indeed!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 04:52:49 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: D.Triny

I really did actually go to the computer shop in town, and bought an apple though.


why?

Well here goes.

When i first went into the computer shop, I found it hard to spot any apples at all. In fact, the assistant told me they don't sell them. Strange, such a big shop, and they don't sell apples.
Anyway, I decided to leave that shop, and go to an even bigger one.
They indeed sold apples, along with an alarming array of compatibles.

So, i decided to go for it, and buy myself an apple.

Surprisingly, it didn't cost that much, in fact I'd go so far as to say that it was probably far, far cheaper than my PC, had I built it all in one go, from scratch, rather than upgrade over the years. This I was pleasantly surprised at!

Next, I decided to remove it from all the packaging. There I was, holding in my hands a shiny new apple. Looked really nice. I partucularly like the curvy, almost organic design, far smaller than my current PC, and, arguably much prettier. Astonishngly light as well. Troublingly small, if anything, as i couldn't figure out how I'd fit my 3 delta 1010 PCI cards in there.

I couldn't quite figure out how to plug it in, but eventually realised that if I gave a gentle, but determined push, my current DVI cable slotted in perfectly. Same with the USB cables.

However, after all this, I realised that I couldn't find any way to turn it on. It didn't seem to have a power switch anywhere on it at all.
After much cajoling, I gave up, and decided to eat it.

OOH, now that's better!

I wouldn't quite rank it up there with a juicy mandarin orange, but it certainly was tasty. Lovely juice, and the flesh was just a perfect consistency.

So I decided to call it quits. I cleaned the apple juice from my DVI and USB connectors, set up my PC again, and realised something important.

If I want to get work done, I'm best off with a PC. However, if I'm hungry, or fancy a snack, then apple is certainly the way to go.














Oh come ON! you must have seen where this was going!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 05:04:28 (permalink)
After much cajoling, I gave up, and decided to eat it.


but of course

I figured if you were serious you would have said "Mac"...but I couldn't bear to see the bait just sitting there in that post - rotting


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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 09:43:05 (permalink)
IMO, along with Axe's double post this is the best response on this thread.

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 09:44:54 (permalink)
Apple axe jobs.

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 10:15:11 (permalink)
A little word play perhaps?

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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 10:32:10 (permalink)
Apple axe jobs.

Hmmm...Fruit, tool, fruit-designer...but a person doesn't design fruit, it just grows on trees and was designed by evoluti...wait, god....God designed fruit!....and axe is the tool he is using to show us the Way of the Fruit...So Steve Jobs is God and has personally selected axe to be the prophet who shows us the Way of the Apple...Got it!!! Thanks Gordon, now I know what I'm doing next Sunday...

And thanks, axe...for showing us the way...
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us 2007/04/17 10:38:01 (permalink)
Interesting it was using an Apple that got us thrown out of the garden of eden in the first place.

If Adam had just stuck to XP, but nooooo he just had to use iLife and ruin it for us all.



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