stevec
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 01:26:30
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There is nothing intellectual about musing over... Ah... You must have missed these previous posts from Axe: Post 451 - Another fine post that makes me look good, please continue! Post 453 - I couldn't pay someone to do a better job Funny thing is, this was in response to the comments below... which I found quite ironic. 
Axe: I find you entertaining to me and perfectly represent the Windows zealot... it actually entertains me and makes you look like a raving fool.
SteveC: I guess we have something in common then, because I also find you entertaining, perfectly representing the Mac zealot, and you often appear like a raving fool.
Axe: it should be pretty obvious that I feel that Apple is on a roll and they are.
SteveC: Yup, no doubt. And yes, I think Apple is doing much better now in the PC market than ever. They're just not the best or right platform for everyone. End of story.
Axe: The even more sad part is that they are not happy with their own sad state of affairs
SteveC: Well, I know that I certainly don't fall into that group, real or imaginary. As I've stated many times over I'm perfectly happy running Sonar on Windows. My machine runs well, I haven't had the need to tweak anything since I first got it, and when I boot up it just works. Plain and simple.
Axe: It is sad that there are always a few people that want to reject new ideas and new opportunities but they exist.
SteveC: Nah, I don't think anyone is *really* rejecting any ideas or opportunities. Just your presentation of them.
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jinga8
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 01:44:13
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Well then, I stand corrected sir....hold on...uh, ehmmm, humhch....Ok, now I sit corrected...ahhhh, much better 
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stevec
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 02:00:16
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No problem, I just didn't want anyone to think that I had actually partaken of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Or was that the fruit of... uh, never mind.  And yes, there is absolutely nothing wrong with standing corrected. But let's face it, you're going to get tired at some point, so you may get it over with and be a little more comfortable.  PS... I really don't have anything against Macs, or OSX. My wife's previous work laptop was running OSX and I had no problem finding my way around. There some things I liked, and others, well... Like the default Mac font. Personally, I have *never* liked it. Anyhow, she's been using a WinXP laptop for the past two years and the thing runs just fine (no burn marks!). She's never once complained about Windows itself, once she learned her way around, which is saying something 'cause she's been a Mac user since college ('84) - she's had an OS9 machine, even one of those little one piece things with the b&w screen... Anyhow, sorry for the side-bar, but lest anyone take the apple comment above out of context, I was really only half joking.
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gordonrussell76
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 05:21:08
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Axe says "apple are on a roll" hmm what does that mean, they are on a roll.
Yesterday i had a slice of ham, on a roll, with butter, does that mean butter is on a roll. SHould i rush out an invest in butter futures, seeing as they are on a roll as well.
But I think that Apple are missing a trick, they are confining themselves to the roll market, they could also be on pastrami, rye, tea cakes.
Its a worry, something axe should write to them about, once he is allowed to have his crayons again.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 08:03:12
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ORIGINAL: stevec
PS... I really don't have anything against Macs, or OSX. Neither do I. I do have something against Axes' mindless bullsh*t though
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gordonrussell76
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 08:45:41
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Nope me neither
Although if Axe and JB are representative I might be starting to have something against MAC users/supporters.
If you want a laugh though go check out the Linux thread that just started, its actually a very informative respectful thread, with interesting points and a fairly calm OP. Axe weighed in and suggested that Linux users would be better off and prefer a MAC.
He is tenacious. Like a lemming
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 08:52:26
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ORIGINAL: stevec Yeah .. I can see now there is no doubt you appreciate irony and sarcasm.
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stevec
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 10:51:27
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I do have something against Axes' mindless bullsh*t though Well, despite Axe's refusal to acknowledge this - which I've pointed out multiple times - I do believe that the majority of "Mac haters" are actually just trying to show Axe the love. But I think that Apple are missing a trick, they are confining themselves to the roll market, they could also be on pastrami, rye, tea cakes. Good point. By now there could have been the iBiscuit, the iSandwich, the iPie... Axe weighed in and suggested that Linux users would be better off and prefer a MAC. That's because Axe doesn't seem to have much else to offer. I do see little tidbits here and there, I swear I do, but they're usually overshadowed by the same old same old. At least DTriny (and even jb) can "discuss" a topic. Yeah .. I can see now there is no doubt you appreciate irony and sarcasm. I can't help it. Really, I can't.
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gordonrussell76
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 11:31:42
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I like the Sound of the iPie
Who ate all the iPies.......AXE
He is having an iPie-lectic fit.
Sorry its hot in the office today.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 11:47:21
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Wow, there are some bruised egos out there. My suggestion would to be to involve less emotion in your discussions. This are inanimate objects and neither company cares about anything but making money. It is just that their approaches and visions are completely different.
Microsoft is the OS factory and their focus is volume and pricing not quality. Microsoft's problems with Vista being lack luster and dropping promised features after an extremely long (6 year?) development cycle is evidence of the giant corporation they have become. It is quite difficult to maneuver and just about impossible to innovate as we have seen. For the business environment that is not really a big deal as there is really little the OS needs to provide other than stability and security (unfortunately Windows struggles here). Office and applications of this nature handle the actually day to day chores. For multimedia, that is another matter all together.
Apple is more focused on the quality of the computing experience and takes complete responsibility for that hardware to deliver a higher quality experience. This seems to be suiting a lot of people these days and I believe that it points to a trend for a lot of reasons. Computing power has reached a level where the actual performance of the machine is not the key factor anymore. Everything but the bargain PC's can perform quite well (barring Firewall/Virus/Spyware software). I believe the new standard emerging is the usability of the computer and its integration with other devices you may have. If you look at it from this direction you can start to understand what Apple thinks is going to be successful.
All things change and there was a day you had to geek out to have a reasonable hardware platform to run your DAW on. Those days are passing.
You can easily produce music/video/photo/web/CD/DVD and streaming content quite successfully with the present Intel Macs right out of the box. Add the support structure provided by Apple and you really have to admit there is nothing like it in the PC industry. Whether it is for you or not is another matter.
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gordonrussell76
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 11:52:28
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In a pseudo prince voice, to the tune of my name is prince. My name is Axe I suck Jobs Cock I like the Apple Because, ..................sound of gunfire FINIS G
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 12:17:45
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Actually My MAC recorded that before i had even finished thinking it, It then used iTime to travel back in time and release it for me, it was actually a No1 in the billboard charts and the uk on the 17th February 1954. I am now a mutli millionaire, and have just told my boss where he can stick his paycheck.
Cock was changed to Rooster for obvious reasons by iDon'tlikeyourlanguageyoungman.
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stevec
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 12:32:22
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Wow, there are some bruised egos out there. You actually believe that? Hehehehe... You're still putting to much stock (pun) into the whole "discussion". Whether it is for you or not is another matter. Bingo! I don't think anyone misses the point that you like the Mac OS. I also think Macs have some "neat" stuff going on, as I've mentioned more than once. But desparately trying to convince everyone that they should also be loving Macs, and just as importantly Apple, and then doing it over and over again, is futile. And to use a few of your very own descriptions from previous posts, it make you appear a little childish and sorta like a rambling fool...when people just aren't agreeing with you no matter how hard you try. PS... did I do a good job again? If so, when should I expect my first check? Yes, I am keeping track...
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axe
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 13:11:48
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ORIGINAL: stevec
Wow, there are some bruised egos out there.
You actually believe that? Hehehehe... You're still putting to much stock (pun) into the whole "discussion".
Whether it is for you or not is another matter.
Bingo! I don't think anyone misses the point that you like the Mac OS. I also think Macs have some "neat" stuff going on, as I've mentioned more than once. But desparately trying to convince everyone that they should also be loving Macs, and just as importantly Apple, and then doing it over and over again, is futile. And to use a few of your very own descriptions from previous posts, it make you appear a little childish and sorta like a rambling fool...when people just aren't agreeing with you no matter how hard you try.
PS... did I do a good job again? If so, when should I expect my first check? Yes, I am keeping track...
Actually, not your best work and I am a bit disappointed. I could honestly care less what anyone uses and have been pretty clear about that. Given the investment that most on this forum have in time, knowledge and money it is probably not real feasible to make a complete hop to another platform. So many of us are running two platforms and if you read any of the posts you should have begun to glean this information by now. The Intel Mac offers a very interesting to Sonar users that are currently bridging. Given that we are already dual-booting our Windows PC between a DAW/General Use partition. what is the difference in dual booting between OSX and Windows. Add to that you get a standardized hardware platform that is potentially more stable than you would get from a PC builder and it gets really interesting. Also note that these things are "quiet". Do you actually have something to contribute to this discussion? Or are you intent to continue making a fool of yourself? I can do this forever
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ooblecaboodle
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 13:15:11
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I can do this forever repat the same, tired old thing, over and over and over and over and over and over again? yeah, we all know that.
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stevec
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 13:40:56
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You forgot contradictions... I would agree that the iPhone line is a bunch of poo and everyone knows it vs If competitors could make something better than the iPhone they already would have, they will need to see the iPhone to be able duplicate the features of the iPhone. It's tough being an innovator. I could honestly care less what anyone uses and have been pretty clear about that. vs Everything I've written thus far in order to convince everyone this is the best option available today And my personal favorite... I am willing to bet that I am really conversing with some teenagers that just popped their 1st zit vs You forgot "nana nana boo boo"
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ooblecaboodle
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 13:47:17
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You're right!!
You know, for a brief moment, there I actually thought we were in a thread about dropping DRM from music downloads!! silly me!!
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jinga8
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 13:52:25
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Yes, he's made plenty of hypocritical and contradictory statements. But you have to remember that that doesn't bother him one iota because he lacks the basic intellect necessary to even recognize these as such. Axe is lucky that he isn't very bright, actually. He gets to yell at us and break all his own rules without the self-punitive consequences of shame, embarrassment, discomfiture or humiliation...Ahh to live in axe's world...
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pwal
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 13:54:13
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can't see the bridge for the trolls
apples are great
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fetishfrog
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 13:59:28
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Microsoft is the OS factory and their focus is volume and pricing not quality. Microsoft's problems with Vista being lack luster and dropping promised features after an extremely long (6 year?) development cycle is evidence of the giant corporation they have become. It is quite difficult to maneuver and just about impossible to innovate as we have seen. For the business environment that is not really a big deal as there is really little the OS needs to provide other than stability and security (unfortunately Windows struggles here). Office and applications of this nature handle the actually day to day chores. For multimedia, that is another matter all together.
I'm guessing by this quote you don't spend a whole lot of time in a business environment. I work in a 350 seat call center, running Siebel software, a windows based program. The amount of data streaming and complex SQL queries that run on a minute by minute basis would cripple even a high end DAW for processing and data transfer. As a result we run multiple servers and giant RAID schemes. Windows handles all this with grace and ease. Given the strict PCI (payment card industry) requirements for security and encryption of account numbers, I can assure you we'd be running Mac's if there were an advantage in security and cost effectiveness. Obviously there is not. Believe what you want to believe though.
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ooblecaboodle
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 13:59:57
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Well, I went ahead and bought an apple.
if anybody's curious, I'll let you know what I thunk of it!
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stevec
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 14:00:14
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Well, I think the thread did start out as a DRM based topic, but of course it couldn't go without a general push for all things Apple (even though the concept itself was good). I would say that's where all the "fun" started... Regardless, it would certainly seem that when Axe makes an appearance there can be only one outcome! Even though he does not care what anyone else is using. IOW, it's for imformational purposes only.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 14:02:45
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ORIGINAL: stevec
Well, I think the thread did start out as a DRM based topic, but of course it couldn't go without a general push for all things Apple (even though the concept itself was good). I would say that's where all the "fun" started... Regardless, it would certainly seem that when Axe makes an appearance there can be only one outcome! Even though he does not care what anyone else is using. IOW, it's for imformational purposes only.
I know, i know, i'm just yanking your chain!! lol. I really did actually go to the computer shop in town, and bought an apple though.
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pwal
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 14:03:23
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apples are rubbish i've got a better mp3 decoder in my phone than they put in the ipoo
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stevec
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 14:08:03
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I work in a 350 seat call center, running Siebel software, a windows based program. Interesting... I work in tech support too, and we had used Siebel from 2001-2006. It certainly had its qiurks and its limitations, but overall it work fairly well. Particularly when you consider the amount of data being handled every minute of every day (used globally). We've since switched to SAP's CRM, running on SQL Server (Siebel ran on Oracle). Total web interface (no thick client) and even more data to handle than Siebel (thru acquisitions). I still miss Siebel sometimes...
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stevec
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 14:09:19
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I know, i know, i'm just yanking your chain!! lol. Understood. Just another opportunity, that's all.
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stevec
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 14:10:54
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I really did actually go to the computer shop in town, and bought an apple though. Well, if we start seeing the reflection of bootcamp in your dragon's eye....
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 14:29:40
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EDITED: no. Probably best to leave that out!! LOL
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/16 14:32:09
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Interesting... I work in tech support too, and we had used Siebel from 2001-2006. It certainly had its qiurks and its limitations, but overall it work fairly well. Particularly when you consider the amount of data being handled every minute of every day (used globally).
We've since switched to SAP's CRM, running on SQL Server (Siebel ran on Oracle). Total web interface (no thick client) and even more data to handle than Siebel (thru acquisitions). I still miss Siebel sometimes... Good times. I spend most of my days immersed in the Analytics application, and those queries do hit an SQL server...hard. It is amazing how much data it does move so well. Much better than our old system...Filemaker Pro.
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