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2014/09/12 14:44:32 (permalink)

Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3

Hi Folks,
 
I've got RX 3 set up in my registry as a WaveEditor for SONAR. It works fine, except for an error message that I get every time I select it from the Utilities menu:
 
"The currently selected session data folder cannot be used. Open preferences, and choose a new session data folder."
 
Oddly, the warning seems to mean nothing as, if I click "OK", it loads the clip in RX, allows me to edit it, and sends it back to Sonar when I'm done. No issues.
 
What's also odd is that it doesn't seem to matter what folder I have defined for this purpose in RX. I keep it set to a folder on my audio drive to keep C: clean, but I get the message even when I revert back to the default folder on the C: drive.
 
So, it doesn't actually prevent it from working. The error message is just annoying to click through every time I want to send something to RX. Has anyone else encountered this and found a fix? Any insight will be greatly appreciated.
 
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2014/09/12 14:48:53 (permalink)
Don't have RX to test, maybe it is a permissions issue. Is SONAR running as administrator?
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2014/09/12 15:06:11 (permalink)
Good thought, but unfortunately that's not it. Typically, I don't run Sonar as an admin, because doing so prevents me from being able to drag .wav files in to it, but I tested it as an admin to see if that would do the trick and... no go. Same error message. Thanks, though, scook!

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2014/09/12 15:13:49 (permalink)
It may be instructive to determine where the RX3 waves are written since "The currently selected session data folder cannot be used."
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2014/09/12 16:29:08 (permalink)
They're written to the "currently selected session data folder" the message says can't be used, which, the way I have it configured, is D:\RX Data. That's part of the reason it's frustrating; there doesn't actually appear to be any issue with using that folder - or any other folder, but, regardless of which one I have it set to, I get the message.

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2014/09/12 16:49:28 (permalink)
I suspect this will need iZotope support intervention. I have not used an iZotope product from the Tool menu but have used a variety of other products from several different vendors without a problem. Something to try is a session directory without spaces in the name.
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2014/09/12 17:10:48 (permalink)
Thanks for the tip, scook. I tried D:\RX_Data instead, but that didn't resolve the issue. Perhaps, you're right, I'll have to contact iZotope. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions.

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/07 13:47:07 (permalink)
Did you ever get a response from iZotope on this?  I'm having the exact same problem.  I've done a little digging though and now understand why it's happening (and why it isn't fatal).  When you use Sonar's tools menu to launch a WaveEditor it passes some arguments to the other app.  Here's what it's passing to RX 4 on my computer
 
"D:\Apps\iZotope\RX 4\win64\iZotope RX 4.exe" "C:\Users\matthews\AppData\Local\Temp\Tool copy 3 of Audio Event.wav" /REGION:0,1559383
 
That bit at the end is what is causing RX 4 to give the error.  It thinks "/REGION:0,1559383" is a filename and tries to make a session with that as the session folder.  Except you can't make a directory (or file) with a colon in the filename.  So that fails and RX4 reports the error.  But the real wav file works just fine and that's why it continues without an issue.
 
So there are really two bugs here.  Sonar shouldn't be passing that region argument to the WaveEditor.  Perhaps there is an option to control that?  The documentation on the Tools menu in Sonar is kind of weak.
 
And RX 4 really shouldn't treat that argument as a filename and try and make a session with it. 
 
I'm thinking the best answer may be a batch file/mini-exe that Sonar runs that strips off the region argument and then launches RX4.  The batch file will cause a window to flash though, so I might just do it with a tiny C program.
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/07 14:11:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/05/12 04:09:32
Turns out there is a easy solution.  Sonar supports a RegionFlag setting in the Tools menu.  Didn't show up on Google searches till I knew what I was looking for but there is this post that better documents the Tools menu:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/1850413
 
So just add a DWORD RegionFlag 0 into your RX tools menu registry and no more error in RX4 on startup.
 
 
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/08 14:25:54 (permalink)
Ah, fantastic. That's been annoying me for ages.

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/09 09:20:45 (permalink)
Thank you, msorrels!!! That did it.

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/09 15:46:51 (permalink)
Glad it helped.  RX4's full interface hooked to Sonar is actually very slick and works pretty well.  The connect and other methods work too, but the full deal easily launched from Sonar is not to be under estimated. 
 
Cakewalk really needs to put the complete documentation on the Tools menu somewhere public.  Maybe even add a tool to Sonar to let user's edit the tool menu.  Documentation that only exists in an obscure forum post is not really good support.
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/09 18:10:00 (permalink)
I'd like to see it configurable within Sonar. Hacking around in the registry is no fun and can cause all kinds of problems.

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/10 06:15:23 (permalink)
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Glad it helped.  RX4's full interface hooked to Sonar is actually very slick and works pretty well.  The connect and other methods work too, but the full deal easily launched from Sonar is not to be under estimated. 
 
Cakewalk really needs to put the complete documentation on the Tools menu somewhere public.  Maybe even add a tool to Sonar to let user's edit the tool menu.  Documentation that only exists in an obscure forum post is not really good support.


There's been a knowledge base article for a few years now.

https://www.cakewalk.com/...e-to-SONARs-Tools-menu

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/10 14:30:09 (permalink)
The KB article doesn't document ANY of the various Types supported by Sonar nor any of the other options (like this one necessary to turn off the sending of a region flag to WaveEditor entries).
 
 
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/10 19:52:21 (permalink)
I never used a wave editor with Sonar (at least not in the last 10 years).
 
Is this basically like the ARA with Melodyne and V-vocal?
 
In other words, do you select a region, edit it, and then the region is updated?
 
If that is the case then why is there ARA?
 
Hope its not a stupid question.
 
 
 
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/10 21:07:01 (permalink)
Not really like that. You send something out to a different application via the tools menu. You then do whatever you want to do in there, and when you close and save the file, it re-loads automatically into Sonar with your changes. Much less streamlined than an ARA-type process, as it doesn't take place within Sonar.

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/11 02:07:45 (permalink)
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The KB article doesn't document ANY of the various Types supported by Sonar nor any of the other options (like this one necessary to turn off the sending of a region flag to WaveEditor entries).
 
 

I understand what you say and realise it needs an update. I just wanted to point out that the information was not only located in some obscure forum thread as had been stated. Cakewalk have documented this function in their Knowledge Base articles for many years, though having re read the linked thread again, clearly it's very abbreviated to provide just a basic function.
Sonar has provided this feature for as long as I remember. In much earlier versions of Sonar even in the ProAudio days, the function was provided in the Utilities menu.

You obviously are much more computer savvy than I am (explain it better than me) why not put in a feature request to update the current Knowledge base with the info that Noël provided in that thread. I think for the masses this kind of feature is not on most people's radar, though I agree it should be better documented in a more accessible place.

There has been discussion on the forum about creating and updating docs for use of advanced functions and techniques. This would qualify for sure. Provided by and for the user base as well as updated by us.
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/11 02:15:57 (permalink)
This is a fascinating thread. I run both RX4 and Sonar Platinum. However, RX4 does not show up in the Sonar UTILITIES menu, although it is visible on the plugin manager. Do I need to perform registry editing to implement the RX4 audio editor per the Knowledge Base article about this linked above? This procedure is very old. Is there a more up-to-date procedure!
 
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/11 03:35:26 (permalink)
If you already have RX4 setup in the tools menu then just add info as per this instruction that was given in post #9 above.
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"So just add a DWORD RegionFlag 0 into your RX tools menu registry and no more error in RX4 on startup."

If you're not sure refer to the linked article on how to add a DWORD to the current registry entry you have for RX4.


Correction. Please substitute Utilities for Tools.
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/11 04:00:20 (permalink)
Mudgel:
 
Excuse my ignorance, but should I already see RX4 in a "tools" menu, or do you mean the "utilities" menu? I am not aware of a "tools" menu, other than the panel in the control bar that is used to select the smart tool, etc.
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/11 04:13:13 (permalink)
Sorry I thought you already had RX4 added to your Tools menu. It's the Tools menu at the very top of Sonars main screen. And no it isn't there until you manually add it.

You need to do a registry edit to add a program to a sonar's Tools menu. This enable you to select a track or audio selection for editing in an external program, in this case RX4.

if you're OK doing a registry edit then follow the step by step process outlined in the knowledge base article I linked to in post #14 and add the info from the last line I gave you in the previous post.

If that's beyond your skills let me know and I'll write it out for you. It's a good thing to learn. Make sure to do a registry backup as per the linked article.

You also educate yourself and read the whole thread linked to in post #9.

Correction. Please substitute Utilities for Tools.
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/11 13:12:14 (permalink)
Mudgel:
 
Thanks for the additional information. I have done registry edits before (forcing Rapture and Dimension Pro to place libraries and samples where I wanted them). But I am by no means a registry wiz. So, I'll give this a try, and take advantage of your help if I need it.
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/11 20:23:29 (permalink)
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Excuse my ignorance, but should I already see RX4 in a "tools" menu, or do you mean the "utilities" menu? I am not aware of a "tools" menu, other than the panel in the control bar that is used to select the smart tool, etc.

 
You're correct, it's under the Utilities menu.

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/11 23:43:59 (permalink)
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Excuse my ignorance, but should I already see RX4 in a "tools" menu, or do you mean the "utilities" menu? I am not aware of a "tools" menu, other than the panel in the control bar that is used to select the smart tool, etc.

 
You're correct, it's under the Utilities menu.


My apologies, I haven't been in front of my DAW during this discussion and I've continually talked about the Tools menu but of course it is the Utilities menu that's being discussed. It's located at the top of Sonars main window along with the other menu items. Thanks benjaminfrog for the correction. Sorry for any confusion mcdonalk, I totally missed your reference to the Utilities menu.

The tools menu dates back many years when that was where additional external tools were added.
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/12 00:56:00 (permalink)
I believe that I have implemented the registry changes properly. RX4 is now an option in the "utilities" menu, and when I select an audio clip and select RX4 from the "utilities" menu, the audio clip opens in RX4. However, I now have the following problem:

a) When RX4 is invoked in the above manner, a warning is repeatedly displayed: "audio driver error: selected audio device cannot be opened. Please make sure it's not in use by another application ..." This happens whether or not "share drivers with other programs" is checked in the audio preferences.

b) If I attempt to play the clip from within RX4, the same warning occurs, and no sound is heard, although I can hear the Sonar audio track when it is played.

What should I try next?
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/12 02:16:32 (permalink)
When you engage Sonars Share drivers with other programs
A) you need to exit Sonar and restart it for the change to take effect.
B) when you do A only the program with focus can access the driver.
C) if you set A and want to try with the option unchecked again close Sonar and reopen to effect the change.
D) if you have option D then any open program eg. RX4 can use the audio driver at the same time as Sonar

You could try opening RX4 before using it from the Utility menu (got it right that time) so only the audio needs to be passed from Sonar to RX4 instead of it having to open the program as well. Just a trouble shooting suggestion.

Have you mentioned yet what Audio interface device you are using? I mostly use an iPad for forum interaction so I can't see any info in your signature.

Open RX4 as a standalone program and make sure it is setup to use the same driver etc as Sonar. You. You might have to have Sonar closed while you do this.

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/12 03:58:40 (permalink)
I just use MME inside RX4 and let Sonar own the ASIO drivers.  It's not ideal but I don't really care much about latency in an audio editor.  But that combo might not work with every interface (I'm using a first-gen Focusrite Saffire).
 
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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/12 04:10:09 (permalink)
With that combination where do you here the RX4 output and the Sonar output?

You really should try to use the same driver so you can monitor through the same hardware chain right up to and including your speakers.

Again with that combination I'm not surprised you can't hear the RX4 output and get that error message.

BTW please export your registry key for the RX4 Sonar Utility function.
You end up with a .reg file. Change the file extension from .reg to .txt by right clicking and select rename. Open it in notepad and copy the included text and paste into this thread so I can have a look. I'm sure you've got it right just want to check if you don't mind. Also saving the file with the .reg extension, if ever you need to redo this if you e had to reinstall windows for example you can just double click a reg file and it will add the text into the appropriate key for you.

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Re: Error Message with iZotope RX 3 as WaveEditor in SONAR X3 2015/05/12 04:17:23 (permalink)
Man, the answer was in a post from Noel from 2009! I didn't even realize those additional arguments existed.
 
I have been using Audition for a while now from the Utilities menu, and SONAR passes it the actual wav beneath the selected clip. Simple launch from Utilities, (destructive) edit, save, close; and SONAR recognizes the file has been altered and prompts to reload it. (The additional directory with RX3/4 referenced above is a bit confusing to me based on what I have seen Audition do. I do not have "temp audio" lying about from these edits.)

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