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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 03:15:57
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I will say.... nothing lost, but my first instance of an existing project that had both Superior and EZD, after BOTH Toontrack items were all updated and the midi packs, etc.. I lost playback on ALL the other VSTi in that project. I was able to just create another VSTi instrument track, copy the MIDI over and set the VSTi up like the one not playing.... and back to square one. IF I would have had a pile of sessions like this, this might be trouble, but it was my first X3, experiment session, with a pile of stuff, but NOT a serious session. I guess all my old projects which were actually in 7PE might do the same, but they're history at this point anyway. Possibly a good reason not to upgrade mid-project??
Other than the Superior NY kits... I'm finding EXD2 to really be something good. Makes me hesitate buying SDX NYvol3...and a bunch of other expansions. EZD2 really lets you dial in more than you'd initially think.
Yeah, I can't figure out what the routing conflict is. I'm not having similar issues in Studio One and I have multi-out EZdrummer tracks and other soft synths in those projects. EZdrummer and the other synths are playing nicely with each other.
It's not just projects with multi out instances of EZdrummer, it affects stereo out, too. All soft synths are routed to EZdrummer2.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 07:10:00
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Mod Bod
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Up and running, but can't figure out how to add something to their presets. Like adding a crash at the end of a section or bar. Also, can't figure out how to drag and drop a drum part to my Sonar 8.5. I wish there was more documentation, both with Sonar and EZDrummer.
Me, I'd probably create a short midi groove with nothing but a cymbal crash and save it in my favorites folder and drag and drop it into my project whenever I needed it.
Wouldn't that replace whatever else was there? Sorry if I'm being dumb and missing something.. I think the "record a crash" option that you suggested would be the easiest/most succesful, personally.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 09:15:30
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On the mixer page, top right drop-down you can change panning to audience perspective.
Awesome! Thanks for that. I missed it.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 09:17:44
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Mod Bod
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I had the EZ1.dll in a folder I named EZ Drummer. I removed it and replaced it with the EZ2.dll and all seems fine now. Should I delete EZ drummer solo and the EZ1.dll? I moved both to my desktop until someone (Mod Bod) says it's ok to delete both.
I suspect you're one of those folks who manually moved their EZdrummer.dll file at some time or another. If you don't do Electronic drumming or want to use Superior drummer in TT Solo then you can uninstall it (not delete it, mind you.) You can also delete your original EZdrummer.dll file as well. You won't be able to uninstall that one, of course. 
Yeah, I moved it. I will delete the original EZ1.dll and put TT solo back where it was. I do use the Roland Octapad some, but I don't have SD2.0.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 09:48:41
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I have a sub folder for all the TT stuff.
I had to "tell" EZD2 "where" EZD1 was.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 10:16:08
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Yeah, that wasn't a big problem. Easy fix. I like to have everything organized to my liking. So far I would say EZD2 is a huge advancement. I hope to spend more time tonight with the program and the youtube videos.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 10:36:09
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I miss the reverse panning button. I always mix from what would be the audience perspective, so everything is backwards. Sounds great. I love everything else so far.
If that feature is gone from EZD2, you can always use Channel Tools to reverse the stereo perspective. Just saw the other response... never mind... 
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 12:56:01
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I miss the reverse panning button. I always mix from what would be the audience perspective, so everything is backwards. Sounds great. I love everything else so far.
If that feature is gone from EZD2, you can always use Channel Tools to reverse the stereo perspective.
Just saw the other response... never mind...
No way we were going to let the audience perspective flip go away. It was simply a matter of where to put it on the interface.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 12:59:54
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Yeah, that wasn't a big problem. Easy fix. I like to have everything organized to my liking. So far I would say EZD2 is a huge advancement. I hope to spend more time tonight with the program and the youtube videos.
I'm with you on that. I like to have my DLLs in a folder called VST Plugins (note the space which is against the grain evidently) and I like to have the core samples and midi located on my Samples drive. I hate running out of hard drive space and having to rearrange stuff later on.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 13:09:55
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Up and running, but can't figure out how to add something to their presets. Like adding a crash at the end of a section or bar. Also, can't figure out how to drag and drop a drum part to my Sonar 8.5. I wish there was more documentation, both with Sonar and EZDrummer.
Me, I'd probably create a short midi groove with nothing but a cymbal crash and save it in my favorites folder and drag and drop it into my project whenever I needed it.
Wouldn't that replace whatever else was there? Sorry if I'm being dumb and missing something..
I think the "record a crash" option that you suggested would be the easiest/most succesful, personally.
When I've worked in SONAR in the past, I set up my midi drum performances in three tracks all routed to one instance of my TT product of choice. One track was for grooves, one was for fills and one was a holding track that was sometimes muted where I stored odds and ends pieces of grooves waiting for assembly or clips of cymbals crashes and rides. You could do the same sort of thing and drop your cymbal crash clips on that track.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 13:19:35
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May i ask you guyz if ez 2 replaces ez1 as a dll ....understand here :are your old ez projects will now open with ez2 or still with the old ez1
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 14:41:35
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Mod Bod
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Yeah, that wasn't a big problem. Easy fix. I like to have everything organized to my liking. So far I would say EZD2 is a huge advancement. I hope to spend more time tonight with the program and the youtube videos.
I'm with you on that. I like to have my DLLs in a folder called VST Plugins (note the space which is against the grain evidently) and I like to have the core samples and midi located on my Samples drive. I hate running out of hard drive space and having to rearrange stuff later on.
Mine are in the VST folder, but I have sub folders like Toontrack, Klanghelm, Fab Filter ect. I like it that way better. EZ1 was in my Toontrack folder and EZD2 was by itself. EZ fix.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 14:42:52
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May i ask you guyz if ez 2 replaces ez1 as a dll ....understand here :are your old ez projects will now open with ez2 or still with the old ez1
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Old projects open with EZ 2 in place of EZ1.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 15:49:01
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I miss the reverse panning button. I always mix from what would be the audience perspective, so everything is backwards. Sounds great. I love everything else so far.
If that feature is gone from EZD2, you can always use Channel Tools to reverse the stereo perspective.
Just saw the other response... never mind...
It is still there. It is in a dropdown menu somewhere. I just saw it last night in the only 15 minutes I had to check out EZd 2. Time...
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 16:51:58
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Is that the upgraded Electronic EXZ? The old one was funky but had to decipher at times.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 17:04:00
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Is that the upgraded Electronic EXZ? The old one was funky but had to decipher at times.
Yes it is. Much easier to figure out.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 18:03:40
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not to mention, you can now SCROLL thru the different drum sound choices. Previously picking one, auditioning...picking..etc... was kind of a chore. Now you just quickly click thru the choices as you're hearing them. That TOTALLY makes that expansion MUCH more usable. I'd would have paid $89 just for that, since I'm addicted to the EZX electronic.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 19:10:06
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Just completed (for now) my first song with EZ2 and I have to say... it's pretty great! With time this is going to be a lot quicker than my old way of working. Once I find where everything is and the new work flow gets to be a habit, This is going to save hours and hours. My second stupid question is...how do I take a clip and drag or stretch it, like a groove clip? I thought I could put the mouse on the edge of the clip and just drag it towards the right. I'm sure I'm missing something again. Back to youtube I go.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 19:42:58
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I have a problem I never had with EZ Drummer 1. I have an Alesis DM5 MIDI drum kit I use to play parts of tracks in. Also it's going to be perfect for Tap-to-find. Now, when I close the Hi-Hat pedal, the Hi-Hat closes on EZ Drummer2, but opens, despite my left foot remaining on the pedal, on the first hit on the Hi-Hat trigger. This never happened prior to EZD2, so before I go messing with the settings on the DM5 kit brain, I would like to know if there is a latch / momentary setting for the Hi-Hat on EZD2 that I need to change that I haven't found yet, despite looking...or indeed any fix as the kit is unusable until fixed as I can only play open Hi-Hat right now. EDIT: I actually managed to fix this by setting the E-Drum kit up in EZD2 as 'None' instead of Alesis. Might be worth keeping this comment here for reference to anyone else who may have experienced this foible on updating EZ Drummer...
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 23:11:07
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Just got my first take on this and I'm a little "underwhelmed" with all the hype I've been hearing. The Song Creator is the biggest deal here..and that is nothing really, as you already had those options before...this just puts them together for you in a convenient window...that and the EZKeys style MIDI construction window for building your track, which you could do in the Track/PRV anyways. Soundwise, AD2 sounds better. Is it good? YES. The hype...not so much. Graphics are better. Layout is better. Sounds are good. But I'm not getting what all the "Hype" is about....sorry. That's just me...it's a step forward for EZ Drummer...but, to me, EZ was way overdue anyways...and EZ was my first Drum Sampler. There are some nice new things...more included kits being one of them. Somewhat disappointed... The thing I would probably end up using the most is the Song Creator, and that's really not even necessary, as they were laid out like that originally in the browser, and this just puts them all "in one place" making it easier to choose. I guess it's a "time" saver, so to speak. We'll probably see this feature in EZKeys 2. I guess, with nothing to compare it to, it's awesome, but I have too much to compare it to... Maybe I need more time with it... Is it worth the money....probably... Makes it EZ to see why there wasn't a Demo before release...Glad I got to try it... It still falls short of AD sample-wise IMO...as I would expect. As for comparison to BFD, SD, and Slate Platinum, not even in the ballpark IMO, but I wouldn't expect it to be, as it's the "Low End" of the Toontrack Line of DS. That's my 2 cents... You can throw Rocks now... 
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 23:27:13
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No rocks needed, ol pal. An honest assessment is always welcome. And there's no shame in "swimming against the current". Thanks for an unvarnished, early review. Hope you come to like it better as time goes on.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 23:27:35
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That's my 2 cents...
What about "Tap to Find" and the Play Style Editor? These are the features that would make me consider buying it. I am not excited by the prospect of the Song Creator, in fact one of the things I don't care for in FXpansions proucts is the groove managment where this sort of thing complicates a otherwise simple process. However I wonder if the Play Style Editor works on a "song" as well as pattern, then I could see some point in chaining patterns in EZD2, rather than the piano roll. As mentioned in an earlier post I hope some of the third party groove producers are able to tg their files and make them searchable.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 23:38:44
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That's my 2 cents...
What about "Tap to Find" and the Play Style Editor? These are the features that would make me consider buying it.
I am not excited by the prospect of the Song Creator, in fact one of the things I don't care for in FXpansions proucts is the groove managment where this sort of thing complicates a otherwise simple process.
However I wonder if the Play Style Editor works on a "song" as well as pattern, then I could see some point in chaining patterns in EZD2, rather than the piano roll.
As mentioned in an earlier post I hope some of the third party groove producers are able to tg their files and make them searchable.
Glyn, Yes, these are good points that I neglected to touch on... While Tap to Find is a kewl thing... I guess if you know the Tempo you're working with it's mute point, but it would make it easier to find suitable beats. For the Novice it's a great feature to just tap in the Tempo and find the beats that match. Not discounting these things... I just did a comparison to BFD Eco, and Eco still sounds better to me...the Cymbals and the Drums just "sound better". Mind you, EZ has it's place...don't get me wrong. But I call 'em like I hear 'em...but, as I always say, "that's just me". YMMV
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/08 23:49:34
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I think switching drums between kits while hearing it looping is pretty nice. Combining kits couldn't be easier. If Superior comes up with that and ditches the X drum and allows layering in this fashion, with ALL expansions, then you'd have some pretty decent control.
But if you like the sound of another maker's version over Toontrack, features become pretty moot at a high level of priority.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/09 01:28:49
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cclarry
While Tap to Find is a kewl thing... I guess if you know the Tempo you're
working with it's mute point, but it would make it easier to find suitable beats.
For the Novice it's a great feature to just tap in the Tempo and find the beats
that match.
I have not tried it, so correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression it was not so much tempo as the groove, indeed EZD2 should find similar grooves regardless of tempo? Also in addition to tap you can find grooves that match a Midi pattern, so if you had composed a groove in, say, Sonar's step sequencer, or one you had played on pads, EZD2 would search all your TT grooves and find similar ones. Once you find them you can then use the play style editor to create further variations. As I normally use in EZX in Superior rather than EZ drummer and I have BFD3, ECO, SSD4, Kitcore and Adictive Drums, plus some Kontakt drums, so the only features I am intrested in are Tap to Find and the play style editor. The resulting MIDI tracks would in most cases be used with a different program.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/09 03:08:37
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While Tap to Find is a kewl thing... I guess if you know the Tempo you're
working with it's mute point, but it would make it easier to find suitable beats.
For the Novice it's a great feature to just tap in the Tempo and find the beats
that match.
I have not tried it, so correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression it was not so much tempo as the groove, indeed EZD2 should find similar grooves regardless of tempo?
Also in addition to tap you can find grooves that match a Midi pattern, so if you had composed a groove in, say, Sonar's step sequencer, or one you had played on pads, EZD2 would search all your TT grooves and find similar ones. Once you find them you can then use the play style editor to create further variations.
As I normally use in EZX in Superior rather than EZ drummer and I have BFD3, ECO, SSD4, Kitcore and Adictive Drums, plus some Kontakt drums, so the only features I am intrested in are Tap to Find and the play style editor. The resulting MIDI tracks would in most cases be used with a different program.
That's right, it has nothing to do worth tempo. You tap in a groove and EZ finds grooves that match it, and lists each one with a percentage of how well it matches. Perhaps if he'd actually tried the feature or read the manual, or watched any of the hyped videos.. Larry also left out the edit play style, amount knob etc., which are the really revolutionary part of EZ2. My biggest criticism is the MIDI routing issue with projects that had EZdrummer1 in them. MAJOR issue for me, having to re-route hundreds of soft synths. These will have less impact on me, as I tend to play my parts, but ,if you use the included loops, these features are revolutionary. I like honest assessments too, especially informed ones. Just my penny's worth.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/09 07:57:03
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jb101
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While Tap to Find is a kewl thing... I guess if you know the Tempo you're
working with it's mute point, but it would make it easier to find suitable beats.
For the Novice it's a great feature to just tap in the Tempo and find the beats
that match.
I have not tried it, so correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression it was not so much tempo as the groove, indeed EZD2 should find similar grooves regardless of tempo?
Also in addition to tap you can find grooves that match a Midi pattern, so if you had composed a groove in, say, Sonar's step sequencer, or one you had played on pads, EZD2 would search all your TT grooves and find similar ones. Once you find them you can then use the play style editor to create further variations.
As I normally use in EZX in Superior rather than EZ drummer and I have BFD3, ECO, SSD4, Kitcore and Adictive Drums, plus some Kontakt drums, so the only features I am intrested in are Tap to Find and the play style editor. The resulting MIDI tracks would in most cases be used with a different program.
That's right, it has nothing to do worth tempo. You tap in a groove and EZ finds grooves that match it, and lists each one with a percentage of how well it matches.
Perhaps if he'd actually tried the feature or read the manual, or watched any of the hyped videos..
Larry also left out the edit play style, amount knob etc., which are the really revolutionary part of EZ2.
My biggest criticism is the MIDI routing issue with projects that had EZdrummer1 in them. MAJOR issue for me, having to re-route hundreds of soft synths.
These will have less impact on me, as I tend to play my parts, but ,if you use the included loops, these features are revolutionary.
I like honest assessments too, especially informed ones.
Just my penny's worth.
I totally get this...but a GROOVE has everything to do with Tempo...as that's where the "Groove" comes from... Not that I'm disagreeing, as, here, you get to put in the "Drum Beat" you want. And yes, I get that tapping in a "groove" would most certainly get you closer to what you wanted Drum-wise. I didn't get to use the Play Edit thing, but I have watched the video and it's a nice feature... My apologies for not giving a thoroughly "exhaustive" review... My being underwhelmed by the sound is what lead me to the review... From my perspective, as I said, I'm "underwhelmed". It's a good leap forward for EZ... that much is certain, and, as I said, yes, it's worth the money...just for those features alone...
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/09 09:44:37
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I think the new features in EZ Drummer 2 are pretty cool Especially for the Songwriter who needs a relatively quick/easy solution to provide solid drum tracks (who may not have the time/skills to break out drum pads). I don't think the sound is bad. I liked the toms on the DW kit. I'm not crazy about the DW Edge snare samples. I have one of those... and (IMO) it sounds much better tuned a little higher and damped just a tad (though not completely "dry"). Not a fan of the Kick samples. Too much click and not enough fundamental. Felt this way about EZD1 The cymbals sound pretty good. I like the cymbals in BFD3 a little better (but that's to be expected given the size/extent). Having started musical life as a drummer (what seems like a century ago)... and having spent a lot of time recording acoustic drums, I'm very particular about what I want to hear. The tendency of late (to enhance the sense of reality) is to record "wide open" (IMO) overly resonant kicks and snares. Sort of the opposite of the 70s super dry "cardboard" sound. Some folks love that natural open drum sound. I like drums just a little more controlled sounding (at the source). As great as BFD3 is, I'm not crazy about any of the stock snare samples. One thing I really like about BFD3 is the ability to "damp" the various drum samples. The snares in BFD3 ring a lot. I don't like a totally dry/dead snare sound, but a little crescent of felt is a wonderful thing on snare drum. Lets the snare breath... but eliminates that nasty ring/ping that you'd otherwise have to tame at mix. The above said, the purpose of EZD2 really isn't to provide the ultimate drum kit samples. It's to provide a good sounding set of samples in a format that makes it easy to create decent drum tracks. In that regard, EZD2 is certainly a success.
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/09 10:17:16
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The "Tap to find" and "play style editor" are what makes this such a huge advancement IMO. While my little song isn't perfected yet, It sounds good, and I haven't once had to open the PRV (which I hate). The sound is a matter of taste I guess. There are a lot of ezx's to choose from and of course I can just move the midi to the drum sampler of my choice if need be. That is why I will also upgrade to AD2. I'm not a big fan of the AD presets (I hope the new ones are better), but the tools are there to create good sounds. I wish they had this stuff 20 years ago. It's a great time to be in this game.
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mixmkr
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Re: Ez Drummer 2 - Impressions?
2014/05/09 10:20:24
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but a little crescent of felt is a wonderful thing on snare drum. Felt...what's that? I thought it was your wallet and duct tape.
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