mwbrown
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I think I've Found it.
After years of struggling to create original songs, hip hop, pop, reggae, rock etc, I think I've found the perfect type of music that's easy to create. TRANCE!. Status Quo were always lampooned for using just three chords, but listening to numerous trance tracks they just use one chord, great let's get composing. What type of music do find stimulates your creative drive.
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 9:58 PM
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I think maybe you should sell your DAW and go back to the Fisher price xylophone. Like your genre base is so expanded, rock, hip-hop, reggae, but yet you found simplicity in Trance. Maybe you shouldnt be producing anything if your looking for easy. Trance can be very complex, plus there are so many style, hard trance, physce, goa, progressive, acid, tech, melodic. i guess thats why there are people spending $1000 of dollars on Access virus, spectralis's and Dave intruments and so forth.
so obviously you are a true part timer.
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 10:05 PM
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Man that was a good but uncalled for ripping. As long as you enjoy it, theres nothing wrong with it, but is this the music your really passionate about. If your doing it because its the easiest, or you think its the easiest, youll never grow as a musician and producer.
Cj
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 10:08 PM
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I was expecting the answer to life's questions or something like that...
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 10:23 PM
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besides all the personal attacks there.. Trance can be very complex, plus there are so many style, hard trance, physce, goa, progressive, acid, tech, melodic. i guess thats why there are people spending $1000 of dollars on Access virus, spectralis's and Dave intruments and so forth. Were these the best arguments you could come up with!? The number of styles out there doesn't really matter in this case..maybe explain where you find complex chord progressions in the music..that could help - mwbrown heard some stuff that was created on top of a single chord, do you have better examples or maybe 1 chord music simply isn't that bad you say? The second point (prices..how much you spend and on what) - who cares... what does it have to do with music.
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 10:28 PM
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Well typically or at least in my case, when I spend money on a machine I know how to use it or just looking to take my groove to the next level, And if you know anything about trance music or let alone any kind of electronic based music and its expression and the machines that create such music invovle more then one chord. Programming details are much deeper then pressing a key and hold on the ARP. button. Its not my fault this guy loves presets.
Honest Al, do you homework along with mwbrown. but you know you might have to do a little more then go to best buys to get the latest techno hits put out by Buddha bar or what ever.
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 10:47 PM
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That's something that's been on my mind for quite a while... Comes up every time someone rips on techno, trance and all those subgenres many consider to be one and the same thing...
First, let me state... All the subcategories and labeling are, as far as I'm concerned, ridiculous... To a point where certain genres are defined by the bpm, or where in the song the flanged/phased/filtered part kicks in... That's friggin silly.
I mean, consider a band like Led Zeppelin. We call them a rock band, yet they've covered so much ground... But in the end, it's all rock n' roll... Be it on the country side, be it a folk ballad, be it an experimental jam...
But then, just like with any form of pop music, there are some brilliant exceptions (just like Led Zeppelin was not just another rock band). I mean, as far as I'm concerned, there is FAR more diversity in techno music and it's sub-genres than there is in some widely accepted standards like Blues... And Reggae, man, talk about music based upon ONE friggin' pattern...
Techno, like many genres, stand on the "pure ingredient" side most of the time... There are exceptions. Nevertheless, even within it's limited range, there is something to be learned from the genre if you pay attention... Be it the way the kick interacts w/ the bassline, where the synth part sits in the mix, etc...
I guess, techno was pointed out as territory where untalented/non-musicians could easily find a hideaway... And it's true - there are a lot of crappy techno "artists"...
But w/ DAWs, Loops, and things like Garage Band shipping w/ every new Mac, I bet you that pop, rock, heck, even some orchestral stuff is likely to become as widely accesible to the untalented (even more than it is right now I mean). If this could mean that we judge the song for its merits, on a per song basis, and not because it belongs in this or that category, well, at least the whole thing would have served a purpose.
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 10:49 PM
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One Chord, a Great Song... Tommorow Never Knows, The Beatles, 1966. ;) Edit: Man, thinking of how the song is built, how repetitive it is, and the "trippy" nature of the subjet, the loops and all, this one could be regarded as the perfect Rave Anthem... 25 years before Raves... Which only goes to show that real talent knows no boundaries.
post edited by Rain - May 21, 07 10:57 PM
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 10:53 PM
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I was expecting the answer to life's questions or something like that...
The answer is "42". [If you don't get it, then you haven't seen the right movie.]
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 10:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: Rain
That's something that's been on my mind for quite a while... Comes up every time someone rips on techno, trance and all those subgenres many consider to be one and the same thing...
First, let me state... All the subcategories and labeling are, as far as I'm concerned, ridiculous... To a point where certain genres are defined by the bpm, or where in the song the flanged/phased/filtered part kicks in... That's friggin silly.
I mean, consider a band like Led Zeppelin. We call them a rock band, yet they've covered so much ground... But in the end, it's all rock n' roll... Be it on the country side, be it a folk ballad, be it an experimental jam...
But then, just like with any form of pop music, there are some brilliant exceptions (just like Led Zeppelin was not just another rock band). I mean, as far as I'm concerned, there is FAR more diversity in techno music and it's sub-genres than there is in some widely accepted standards like Blues... And Reggae, man, talk about music based upon ONE friggin' pattern...
Techno, like many genres, stand on the "pure ingredient" side most of the time... There are exceptions. Nevertheless, even within it's limited range, there is something to be learned from the genre if you pay attention... Be it the way the kick interacts w/ the bassline, where the synth part sits in the mix, etc...
I guess, techno was pointed out as territory where untalented/non-musicians could easily find a hideaway... And it's true - there are a lot of crappy techno "artists"...
But w/ DAWs, Loops, and things like Garage Band shipping w/ every new Mac, I bet you that pop, rock, heck, even some orchestral stuff is likely to become as widely accesible to the untalented (even more than it is right now I mean). If this could mean that we judge the song for its merits, on a per song basis, and not because it belongs in this or that category, well, at least the whole thing would have served a purpose.
Rain, thanks for coming in here and putting it so elequently.
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CJaysMusic
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 11:00 PM
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Wasnt it Jinga who had a 42 for his avatar a ways back.
Cj
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 11:03 PM
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I don't know. It's been hard to keep track of all his avatars.
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 11:16 PM
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any kind of electronic based music and its expression and the machines that create such music Well, that kinda says it all really
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keith
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 11:22 PM
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One Chord, a Great Song... Tommorow Never Knows, The Beatles, 1966. ;) Low Rider, War, 1975 Some of the best rock, blues, and jazz songs ever made are also the simplest ones. It's the musicianship or the production that makes a particular song great, not the complexity. To a point where certain genres are defined by the bpm, where in the song the flanged/phased/filtered part kicks in There's an actual "flanged/phased/filtered part", like it's expected sooner or later?! Oh come on, that's gotta be as bad as the requisite Rock Guitar Solo(tm).  I'm no fan of trance, or most electronica, for that matter... though there's definately some stuff that I've heard in the past that I couldn't name that was really good (former co-worker used to play alot of trance and ambient music in the office -- it's good programming music!!!)... But I have to say to the OP, while I've been a multi-instrumentalist for years, and I like the music that I like, and while it does sound silly to hear a statement like "I found the easy genre"... at least you're being creative. I say: "go for it!". The important thing is to be creative! Don't be afraid to keep things simple on principle, and see what evolves. Eventually you'll develop your own style if you keep at it long enough... [edit: added smiley]
post edited by keith - May 21, 07 11:26 PM
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 11:24 PM
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Wasnt it Jinga who had a 42 for his avatar a ways back.
Cj
...got me. I shut off avatar viewing a LONG time ago. They take too long to load and I didn't like half of them anyway.
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 11:30 PM
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The answer is "42". [If you don't get it, then you haven't seen the right movie.] I thought it had gone up due to inflation?
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 21, 07 11:34 PM
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The answer is "42". [If you don't get it, then you haven't seen the right movie.]
I thought it had gone up due to inflation?
You're right....it has been a few million years. 
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 0:15 PM
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The way I look at it is any musician that is a music snob is a fool. One has an absolute right to like what one likes but to limit oneself this way is harmful to ones soul.
If one is not able to find value in all forms of music then one is short changing oneself.
Snobbishness is the refuge of the ignorant.
Best
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 3:24 AM
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Dear mwbrown, What's the best trance music you've heard, besides your own, of course. I'd love to learn more about it. :-) It sounds like fun. Continued success, and happy composing, rosefam6
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 3:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: mwbrown
After years of struggling to create original songs, hip hop, pop, reggae, rock etc, I think I've found the perfect type of music that's easy to create. TRANCE!. Status Quo were always lampooned for using just three chords, but listening to numerous trance tracks they just use one chord, great let's get composing. What type of music do find stimulates your creative drive.
You had the same problem as me: I like too many genres for things to run smoothly and to get a clear picture for learning. Go do Trance if you find it fun. If you don't like Trance it's still good to produce it because once you get experience with Trance, you can take that experience and apply some of it to making stuff you like more.
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CJaysMusic
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 3:57 AM
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Why not produce the music you like and apply the experience to that. Why practice another genra to get good in another genra.
thats just like studying math to get good in american history
CJ
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 4:21 AM
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I think I've Found it I thought this thread was going to be about The Lost Chord...
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 4:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: droddey
The answer is "42". [If you don't get it, then you haven't seen the right movie.]
I thought it had gone up due to inflation?
You're right....it has been a few million years.
I want my own Improbability drive... and I am afraid of the poetry we might see posted now HEHE
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 5:12 AM
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The way I look at it is any musician that is a music snob is a fool. One has an absolute right to like what one likes but to limit oneself this way is harmful to ones soul.
If one is not able to find value in all forms of music then one is short changing oneself.
Snobbishness is the refuge of the ignorant. John, this is wonderfully put. But it is also hilarious. The way you go on with "One has..." and "One likes..." seems to me to be the epitome of snobbishness. I know YOU weren't being a snob, but it SOUNDS (reads?) like some English high-falootin tea and crumpets "Butler, a snifter of brandy" "Quite. The Queen mum is looking simply ravishing, indeed." type of dude. Anyway, back to trancetalk... Wait, wait.....there's the kick!!! 
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 6:12 AM
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What this thread needs is a good strong cup of Tea
Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.
Karma has a way of finding its own way home.
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 6:17 AM
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I want my own Improbability drive... and I am afraid of the poetry we might see posted now HEHE
ORIGINAL: Wookiee
What this thread needs is a good strong cup of Tea
I love how SOMEBODY on this forum has seen every good movie. "RESISTANCE IS USELESS."
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 7:48 AM
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I love how SOMEBODY on this forum has seen every good movie. You do realize that to most people, the movie was the last (and worst - leaving out quite a bit of the good stuff a la LOTR, etc.) incarnation of what began as a radio show and became a 5 part trilogy of books. I can't imagine anyone seeing the movie without having at the very least read the books, if not listened to the various radio show versions. And be kind to mice, they may just have an ulterior motive for being here...
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 9:41 AM
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Why not produce the music you like and apply the experience to that. Why practice another genra to get good in another genra.
thats just like studying math to get good in american history
CJ
When finding it hard to produce/define a genre I think its better to get some experience doing what ever is working at the time rather than getting all eat up and frustrated about trying to do something that isn't working. When a tutor learns a pupil to play piano they start them off on easy stuff like nursery rhymes. 99% of pupils don't like nursery rhymes but it is something to get them started on and something that they can achieve at that time. A lot of that experience is useful when they start playing music they do like, and they will find that it will be much easier/possible to achieve.
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CJaysMusic
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 9:48 AM
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Your missing the point and yout totally wrong, i love nursery rhymes. did you do a poll to see if a nursery school aged kid didnt like to learn it. Your assuming that your opinion is the right one. Most people are doing this as a hobby, why would they torture themselves doing something they dont like. For me, i would never do country or rap, but i could probably learn alot from doing it, but it woukld be pulling teeth and thats not my goal here. I'm tired
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RE: I think I've Found it.
May 22, 07 10:19 AM
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OMG! Some people don't like trance! I"M SHOCKED!
How's this?:
After years of struggling to create original songs, pop, classical, rock, funk, jazz, trance, industrial, ambient/chillout, etc, I think I've found the perfect type of music that's easy to create. HIPHOP!. "Numerous" unnamed trance compositions were recently lampooned for using just one chord, but listening to numerous hiphop tracks, they just throw some pre-fabbed loops together with pre-purchased samples and some guy who can't sing talking really fast over the top of it, great let's get decomposing. Many types of music stimulate my creative drive.
OK, mwbrown - let's hear some of your one-chord trance stuff, man. If it's so "easy to create" a trance tune, especially with just one chord then let's hear how well you can do it. It's one thing to bash an entire genre after listening to a handful songs, it's another thing to attempt to do it and do it well.
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