ChuckC
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/04 20:50:33
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Well, I too owe my purchase to Danny's advice.... Obi should put him on a spiff program or at least hook him up with free stuff. I know there's a hell of a lot more than two of us in this same boat on this forum alone.
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M@ B
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/04 22:37:11
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Do you disable arc when you check your mix in the cans?
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/04 22:39:53
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M@ B Do you disable arc when you check your mix in the cans? Oh yeah.....
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/04 22:40:53
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M@ B Do you disable arc when you check your mix in the cans? Oh yeah.....
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/04 22:52:57
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M@ B Do you disable arc when you check your mix in the cans? Yeah. I disable it for two reasons and two reasons only. 1. When getting proper mix levels on my master bus before exporting. 2. When listening through cans. Bapu: instead of using the trim on ARC, you can get closer if you just adjust the bus fader you have ARC in. It allows you to get a little more precise in my opinion. Something weird with that trim knob too. I've abandoned the meters and the trim knob and just look at the bus meters it's on. Even though I have those calibrated now, I STILL run a pass through the master bus without ARC to make sure my master bus output numbers are where they should be. :) Chuck: I bet you I've sold more units of ARC than IK salesman. The thanks I get...tech support closes my cases without an answer. I'll never say anything good about IK's support though I do love the plug. Two times they just closed my case and expected ME to do the work for them and asked me to install something other than Sonar. Never remedied my issue or anything. As a matter of fact, one of their regional bosses asked me to work for the company. I told the guy I'd help out and he never bothered to get back to me. The only guy they have on their staff worth something in my opinion, is Obi. He's always been a man of his word. Don't change and become like the others Obi...they are lucky to have jobs man...they lost me as a customer and trust me, I sold quite a few units for you guys. But because ARC is so good, I deal with my issues. I can't say I'll buy any other IK software though...support needs a re-write...sorry. -Danny
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IK Obi
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/06 18:38:43
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Thanks for the kind words Danny. I'm sorry we haven't been able to resolve your problem, but I have contacted the manager again and will be following the ticket closely to get this straightened out. :) ARC is a great plug-in and I'm glad your a fan. Honestly, the first time I heard about ARC I laughed and took it as snake oil. Then I tried it and shut up. We're actually doing a sale on it for a limited time for only $199.99/€149.99- even on the TDM version! http://www.ikmultimedia.c./NewsDisplay.php?Id=3443
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musikmachine
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/07 19:58:16
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@Chuck C, Are you sure something else isn't going on? I've got the hs80ms and i'm using Arc with them and it's made their response more neutral, taken that upper mid harshenss away altogether. I made a few mistakes initially but with the latest set i did i'm really hearing the benefits of Arc. I'm listening to all my music through Winamp with the vst bridge for reference so i can compare the effects, or there's JRiver Media Player which work with asio. It's a marked improvement, especially on the low end and percussive stuff. I can listen for hours without any fatigue. I didn't know what effect it would have and i did a lot of research before i bought it, of which Dannys' posts on Arc were really useful. I've been looking for something i route audio through Arc with so would love to know what software that is. I have tried JackAudio but i'm having problems getting it working.
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ChuckC
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/07 20:22:48
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Musikmachine, First of all I liked the sound f the HS80's, the HS50's are the ones that sounded real harsh to me and I couldn't afford the 8's at the time. To set the record straight here, 3 days ago I was working on a song without ARC. I had the mix pretty good but noticed the vocals were translating crazy hot on other systems. After trying to figure out why it sounded perfect in the studio and nowhere else, I pulled up ARC to check and all of a sudden the vocals were really loud in the studio too. So I pulled up the anaylzer on the vocal track and found that the singers voice was centered in the middle of frequencies I was getting a dip in (without ARC) so I was boosting it up to compensate hence the crappy translation and over cooked mids. I put ARC back on in all my current in progress projects yesterday and remixed as needed. They are coming out better. I guess the harshness I heard initially with ARC was due to the fact that I had mixed in too much of certain frequencies before getting it.
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musikmachine
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/08 17:01:01
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Awesome! Sounds like Arc is showing it's worth. I have read about it being better to start fresh with Arc than to try using it on existing projects but if remixing the track with Arc is working then i guess it's a non-issue. If you like the 80s you'd love them with Arc, the low end extension it adds is great! I'd really like to know what that software is, would be great to have it strapped across the soundcards outputs for other things.
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ChuckC
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/08 18:36:39
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Well the treatment ARC adds/subtracts is different on every system based on the measurements you take when ya set it up. I have a new song posted in the song forum (last night) that I mixed/mastered out with ARC.
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Philip
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/09 12:14:29
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@Everyone Just validating ARC as an absolute 'must have'! I'm exceedingly glad Danzi set the studio paradigms strait for 2012!!! Extreme thanks Danziland!!! Its interesting that Danziland Productions Mastering House employs ARC and has ME'd 3 of my mixes to utmost perfection!!! I doubt Danzi's studio looks anything like the $500k+ studios of UA, Abbey Road, Bob Katz, etc. But, I'm certain he can master a mix as well or better than these 'traditional' giants! ... it should help make spending $50k-100k on a pro-studio (with high ceilings, multi-bass traps, etc., etc.) a complete waste of time and money! (Unfortunately, IK-M has some of the worst support on the planet and Obi himself continually evades IK support issues ... while pushing sales on the Sonar Forums -- hahahah!) I will NEVER buy another IK product due to IK-M poor tech support in the 64-bit world.)
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musikmachine
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/09 22:06:08
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ChuckC Well the treatment ARC adds/subtracts is different on every system based on the measurements you take when ya set it up. I have a new song posted in the song forum (last night) that I mixed/mastered out with ARC.
True enough! I meant with the bass correction. It extends them down to about 30hz but overall the low end definition and accurcy is improved. I'll check your mix out.
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musikmachine
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/01/10 02:47:58
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Not sure what happened with the quotes there. @Philip, yeah the proof is in the pudding and Arc is good eating. If anyone can help me, does it make a big difference to cover a wider area than the listening position in a large room? I know it should in theory but i've kept my measurements focused around the listening position and the correction seems to translate pretty well throughout my room. There does seem to be a little bit of phasiness and i can't hear any difference with the delay engaged so i'm thinking of doing another set using all 32 measurements. Cheers.
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M@ B
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/02/03 23:34:17
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Been wondering about something lately... After i exported a mix that sounded pretty good the other night, i listened to the mix and it didn't sound right - the vocals were too loud. So I went back into the project and lowered the vocal buss, but then they sounded too low in the project. Then I began to wonder about listening to exported mixes where ARC is no longer engaged, this is the same as turning off ARC in the project isn't it? And I shouldn't make changes to the mix based on listening to exported mixes in this room where i made them with arc. Is that correct?
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bapu
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/02/04 00:50:11
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Yes to your last question.
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M@ B
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/02/04 01:25:11
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Thanks. This will require a lot of trust in ARC to leave the mixes alone when the exports don't sound right. -------------- EDIT: I suppose that is one scenario where arc cannot offer what properly treated room can... consistency of playback at all times.
post edited by M@ B - 2012/02/04 01:33:51
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/02/04 03:36:02
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I think after a while, you get accustomed to how your monitor chain 'lies' to you, and can start compensating for your room as ARC does.
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M@ B
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/02/04 11:48:57
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Yeah, I'm sure you're right, though some get better at doing that than others do and I never got very good at it. I always end up mixing to what sounds best at the moment. That's why I began taking steps toward more accurate playback via better monitors, ARC and treatment. The educated guess work of constantly compensating and hoping for a good mix through trial/error/retrial was too often just a lesson in frustration. I would much prefer a 'what you hear is what you've got' scenario. Slowly but surely, it's getting better.
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IK Obi
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/02/05 15:23:43
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@Phillip glad you got ARC working in your studio. I just wanted t o clear up that I run from support issues. That is very untrue, I always try to get our customers taken care of. I'm not support, I don't know all the technical stuff our great support staff does so I refer people to them, but I always try to help and answer anybodys questions when I can.
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/02/06 12:42:31
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@Phillip, I know where you are coming from. I was unable to get ARC 64-bit working on my machine for the better part of 2011. I had an ticket in the IK support site all of that time. The best they came up with was to un-install and install again with the latest version (1.3.1 if I remember correctly). When I installed that I got the same crashing problem as the earlier version. They asked for a crash dump (which i provided) and never heard anything since. I even kept updating the issue they kept closed asking for status as my issues wasn't resolved. In December, I saw a similar issue for a user on another site and they said they asked for help from IK. I told them my situation (which was similar to theirs). IK got back to them with the solution of installing the free Amplitube VST because it included the DLL that was causing the issue in the 64-bit ARC install. I tried that out of desperation and it solved the problem for me. Not that IK support supplied that to me. Another kind user did. So, I have no plans on purchasing any other stuff from IK and I have no plans on recommending their stuff to anyone either. Tom
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bapu
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/02/06 12:49:31
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See? There you go. I have Amplitube 3 and ARC (both 64 bit) and have not had one problem with ARC.
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cellarboy
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/03/26 17:33:26
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I just ordered ARC and have a question for the ARC users - Where were you standing/sitting while performing the measurements? Thanks!
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dmbaer
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/03/26 19:26:54
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cellarboy I just ordered ARC and have a question for the ARC users - Where were you standing/sitting while performing the measurements? Thanks! Just move far enough away that your body is not likely to be a perceptible acoustic factor. Where a good place is will depend on your room layout. ARC gives you plenty of time to get out of the way ... even into the next room in most situations ... before it fires off the test signal.
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/03/26 22:59:27
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I moved outside the room. I didn't want to listen to it up close anyway.
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timidi
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/03/27 07:28:20
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tyacko @Phillip, I know where you are coming from. I was unable to get ARC 64-bit working on my machine for the better part of 2011. I had an ticket in the IK support site all of that time. The best they came up with was to un-install and install again with the latest version (1.3.1 if I remember correctly). When I installed that I got the same crashing problem as the earlier version. They asked for a crash dump (which i provided) and never heard anything since. I even kept updating the issue they kept closed asking for status as my issues wasn't resolved. In December, I saw a similar issue for a user on another site and they said they asked for help from IK. I told them my situation (which was similar to theirs). IK got back to them with the solution of installing the free Amplitube VST because it included the DLL that was causing the issue in the 64-bit ARC install. I tried that out of desperation and it solved the problem for me. Not that IK support supplied that to me. Another kind user did. So, I have no plans on purchasing any other stuff from IK and I have no plans on recommending their stuff to anyone either. Tom Wow. I'll have to try this as I'm having the same problem here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2528779 Thanks Tom
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timidi
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/03/27 08:37:30
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So, I just found this thread of summer of 2011 that pretty much sums up my install problems. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/printview.php?t=320133&start=0 Below is the final comment from Brian at IK. This is really amazing to me that after almost a year, IK makes no reference to this issue on their site, let alone fix it. Unbelievable. Brian @ IK Multimedia - Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:58 pm
We recently discovered that certain files are not installed when the latest ARC is installed by itself, causing the 64 bit not to show. For the time being, install either AmpliTube 3 FREE or SampleTank FREE to obtain the missing files.
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IK Obi
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC
2012/03/27 13:25:57
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We have been working on a fix, but temporarily SampleTank FREE/AmpliTube FREE is a quick and simple fix til we finish the next ARC update.
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