ORIGINAL: yorolpal

Wail, I thank I'm finally gettin the hang of these here 3-D glasses cause this thang is lookin better'n better. Lessee, I got two mic pres, a mixer, an effects unit, an audio interface with 2.2ms latency, an SD recorder so's I can play my tracks at a live venue, plus an ACT controller and, as ol Brandon says, it's built like a tank. So, sounds like a purty good deal to me at around seven c-notes. Just one question tho...will it julienne or puree?

ps: how do the mic pres rate against...say...a MOTU Ultralite?

Great summation actually...well stated! The mic pre's seem quite good. Last I saw they had a dynamic range of around 104db and quiet.

ORIGINAL: PaPi

ORIGINAL: Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]
Well I feel that's a low blow of an argument

Yes, of course, you have to put the negative connotation on me.
Some people call it a CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

Wow, I was just perusing this thread, and I feel I have to jump in (fool that I am).

First, it's not a conflict of interest to promote the products for the company one works for. So you're using an inappropriate term in my opinion.

Second - I do tend to agree you seem to just be antagonistic. It's one thing to question the goods, so to speak, but it's another to frame things with connotations.

If you don't like the product, so be it - fine - no problem. And I'm sure those who are interested would take the time to research it more before plunking down hard earned dollars anyway.

I'd rather be skeptically curious than antagonistic, however.

And, because I have met Brandon - and consider him an excellent talent not just as a musician, I give him some headroom even if it is a "sell" so to speak.

In the end result, we are being presented with new products that we, as the consumers, can choose to purchase or not. No one twists our arms to do so. So the antagonism seems misplaced in that regard.

Ok, that's my .02cents. Calm down Papi

There should be laws against designing something so awesome. Almost makes me wish I had a band.

Hi Alex , just tested one yesturday and i'm surprised to not be able to say the track name on te screen as i control it , must see on my daw screen (i have an alphatrack , and i'm used to this simple but damn good feature)

Any update to implement that in the near feature , i really focus myself on the controller side , as i find the recorder side quite good for tha price ...

This VS-100 is an amazing product but I don't think the paradigm shift towards backing track playback for bands has been appreciated.

The Edirol arm of Roland produce a feild recorder (the R44) that can record 4 tracks to SD card. So what does this provide for the touring band... 4 tracks of playback available on 4 outputs. Stereo backing to front of house and a version with a click embeded for the drummer. Or stereo to FOH and Drummer mixer with bass and bass synth mono to be mixed in at the right level FOH + custom click to drummers headphones. etc... All better options for a touring band wanting a playback solution based on hardware without a computer to crash on you due to some OS update etc.

I think the idea that the band inputs into the VS-100 for a gig is where the thinking goes awry! The band needs to go to the stagebox for mixing. It needs the mixing section of the VS-100 to goto both drummer monitors and FOH.

Many pro touring acts even big names want something hardware to do the playback thing. They are going on the road with Yamaha and Fostex digital portastudios with a second one for backup.

How about steeling the market and generating a product to fit the bill. Something for the touring bands requiring a playback device. You should port the technology from the R44 ie 4 track playback and let your digital mix engine take care of what the outputs are used for. I'm sure it would be easy for the drummer to run a heaphone/in-ear monitor mix from the VS-100 heaphone out and opperate playback.

You know you can do this guys... Pretty please.

What is amazing for me about this VS-100 is that it has the potential to do all this and be a soundcard too. And being a huge Cakewalk fan from the Pro days I love that I can take this thing and control Sonar and work on stuff in my hotel room.

Peace,
pimpleburger

Your points about backing tracks for live performance are well taken pimpleburger. The edirol units seem to be limited to unbalanced line outs with rca-jack interface. This seems limiting, and somewhat overpriced for the limited application of FOH playback of backing tracks. The Korg D888 comes a bit closer (with 8 channels) at a lower price point than the Edirol units, but has it's own set of trade offs (bad pres).

I could live with only one stereo out from the on board memory for live backing tracks IF the on board file had embedded tempo data to drive the click for each song file. Sadly, the video demo seems to show an audio-only file being exported from Sonar to the on board memory (not a stripped down project file with tempo data). If the on board file could drive a loud click mixed with the tracks out the headphones for the drummer (with count in), and stream the stereo mix (w/o click) to the FOH sends, this could be a stellar stage rig. I'm afraid, as configured, it will leave the same void in the market place as before.

Just to let users know here. Sweetwater has them in stock.

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Ed

You can listen to the onboard reverb while you track, but record it dry, right?

That's what I'm in the market for first and foremost ... the other products with that feature in the market in this price range or below are the Fast Track ULTRA (not Pro) and the MOTU Ultralite.

The second important extra feature I want is that I can use it without turning on the computer (sometimes I just want to play without booting up). That eliminates the M-Audio.

But, given that I haven't had great luck with firewire boxes, it's already a pretty easy choice for me personally. Add in the fact that it's made to work specifically with the DAW software I happen to use, has a control surface section also built to work with the software I use, has transport controls, and has a flash recorder so I don't need to keep my handheld recorder attached ... and I don't see how this is even remotely a bad deal. Plus, unlike the M-Audio products (and the Alphatrack from looking at pictures only), it's looks like it's built like a tank. I certainly wouldn't call the VS100 cheap, but it's certainly not overpriced either.

ORIGINAL: Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]

ORIGINAL: PaPi

REALITY CHECK:

http://cgi.ebay.com/M-Audio-Fast-Track-Pro-WARRANTY-FastTrack-PRO-MAUDIO_W0QQitemZ360143625069QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item360143625069&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

http://www.proaudiosolutions.com/product-p/frontier-alphatrack.htm

Grand total: $328. And that's with a 20-second search. I'm sure I could do better than that if I really wanted to buy them...

Yes I saw these as well, but frankly who knows what these ebay sellers would sell a V-Studio 100 for...

Regardless, the whole aplhafasttrackpro argument is just a red herring as the points you keep selectively and rather conveniently neglecting is that that the feature-sets for these products are not at all comparable. And this has nothing to do with my biased or unbiased opinion. It's simply a fact. I'm not sure why you refuse to accept that, but as I said before it's entirely your prerogative. Having said that, I will continue to argue my case as long as I have one (which at this point appears to be indefinitely).

I would not worry about a single delusional poster accusing you of bias. I also work for a hardware/software company and am very passionate about our products. I have never met you but your passion comes through. My favorite quote is I don't think my companies products are awesome because I work there. . . .. .I work there because they have awesome products!

I started working for them back in 97 and had already been a customer since 88. I worked for them for 6 years and then was laid off. In the 3 years I was not with them every projetc I ever worked on was with their products. I have now been back almost another 4 years.

I am trying to decide between the VS700 full, just the controller or the VS100 and I think it is great that there are 3 good choices. I am a hobbyist and really should only look at the VS100, but I am also a gear freak and the VS700 looks very cool.

I think it is wrong to assume that because someone works for a company they have drank the kool aid. I know my passion for the products I sel helps me sell more, and I believe the same is true for you. Keep on keeping on.

D - I think you mean a WAV with more than two channels. (I.e. a two-channel WAV is a stereo WAV, and 6-channel WAVs are sometimes used to master a 5.1 surround mix, for example).

For example, a 4-channel WAV would allow stereo backing plus stereo click.

Another benefit of having additional channels in the backing - besides click tracks - is that would allow some bands to deliver the backing track to the FOH mixer broken down into stems, to give the FOH sound person more flexibility in getting the overall mix for that venue. This might be only required for larger bands/venues - but still, if a device has 6 physical outputs, we should be able to use 'em!

ORIGINAL: BuleriaChk

I already own SPE 8 and a number of other software products from Cakewalk. Will the VS-100 be able in a hardware only version?
(I assume the drivers and Sonar interface software would be included)

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for the question. We're really pushing the V-Studio 100 as audio hardware for use with any DAW. There will not be a software only version of the V-Studio 100. The included SONAR VS software is in there for Windows users getting started with digital recording who do not already have software. Most interface products on the market come with lite versions of SONAR or other DAWs for similar reasons.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,

Carl

Hmmmm "can't say" either means you don't know or that you can't say because it's coming.

The video demos of it made it look really good though.