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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/29 22:39:05
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I suppose if I want a "List of capabilities that have been removed in X1" I'll have to start another thread.
Well the count is 2 so your thread will be a short one.
I have 12 to add to your list vintagevibe. I'll chime in on your thread if you start one.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/29 23:02:10
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In the war of all against all between the fanboys vs everyone else who may have issues with this DAW, can there be a little space left for those of us who would like to see some things come back? 
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 05:27:13
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Who are these fanboys, exactly? Can you name some, and explain what makes them such?
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 05:32:32
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Bub
That's because you and John attack everyone who speaks up and normal people don't want to deal with that kind of treatment so they just don't bother posting.
I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! Remember that? You ridiculous, whiny hypocrite. Happily agressively shouting down the most trivial and innocuous points and then coming over all wounded and outraged when people simply point out errors in what you're saying. I'll never figure out why a shouty bad attitude goes so hand in hand with a pathetically thin skin. But it seems like a universal constant.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 06:54:28
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John
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John
Not just because you have your facts right but because you express them in a confrontational manner. I know how hard that is.
Are you for real?
Thanks Steve. Its corrected now. It was a typo.
Indeed, but when others here are complaining about some contributors' perceived illiteracy, this does illustrate how easily the connotation of a reply can be misconstrued. And to anyone but the most pedantic, it's obvious that some of these grammatical mistakes are being made by members for whom English is definitely not their first language. One can only surmise at the ridicule those who level these pathetic and sanctimonious rebukes would attract if they were trying to communicate in a foreign language forum. Toodle-pip.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 08:02:55
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Who are these fanboys, exactly? Can you name some, and explain what makes them such?
McSizzzle says
"I am SONAR's #1 FanBoy" Snoozzze you loozzze.... John can be #2 if he wants to be.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 08:54:52
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John T
Bub
That's because you and John attack everyone who speaks up and normal people don't want to deal with that kind of treatment so they just don't bother posting.
I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS!
Remember that? You ridiculous, whiny hypocrite. Happily agressively shouting down the most trivial and innocuous points and then coming over all wounded and outraged when people simply point out errors in what you're saying.
I'll never figure out why a shouty bad attitude goes so hand in hand with a pathetically thin skin. But it seems like a universal constant.
Speaking of shouty bad attitudes... Calling someone "You ridiculous, whiny hypocrite" exactly fits that description in my book. In fact the whole post looks like it's only purpose is to insult Bub. Maybe now that John (w/o T) officially declared battle between team "us" and team "them" the TOS has no bearing anymore and any weapon is allowed, but I thought I call you out on that anyway. Btw, in all forums I ever roamed double posting is considered bad manners. Not sure whether your constant double and triple posts all over the forum tell us things about your skin, though.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 09:16:52
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What the hell are you talking about? Teams?
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 10:11:56
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Actually I thought my post was pretty clear. I was talking about you insulting Bub. Is that really hard to figure out?
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 10:19:22
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Frankly, no. With a tangent about a completely different poster and some waffle about double posting traditions in the boonies, it's not at all clear what your central concern is.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 10:36:39
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 10:37:53
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The only reason this troubles you so much is, because most of it's true. If you could come on here and counter everything that people say that is negative about X1 and be 100% right and set them straight, there would be no problem now would there? You're just upset because 99% of the things people say here are valid concerns and you can't counter them except to spin it in a way that discredits them. They may not be your opinion, but they are valid just the same and people can see through the spin some folks put out there trying to defend X1. And honestly, X1 isn't all that bad. They just need to bring back some of the things they took away. Right now it's right on the verge of being something really great.
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For example, and I've used this before, I'm a guitar player. I sit at my desk, acoustic mic's off to the side of me, acoustic guitar strapped on me, boom mic off to the side, everything positioned correctly (which is a nightmare for acoustic) and I could perform every single function I needed in 8.5 with just my right hand and a mouse click without moving. (I play left handed so my right hand is free.) I can't do that with X1 and it's a problem at times.
I suppose if I started doing stretching exercises and was able to contort my wrist in an unnatural fashion, I could train myself to use my right hand to hold down ALT and SHIFT while I'm clicking with the same hand.
... Do you think it's accurate to say the majority of Sonar users are project studio users? I would say so. People like that want to tweak and have customization abilities ... that's what made 8.5 and previous version so great for me, and that's why Reaper is so popular. And no, it's not because Reaper is free ... Reaper is not free after the 30 day evaluation period..
...agree.... and... thanks, "Bub"........ ;-)
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 10:41:36
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Reaper's evaluation period can be extended though...
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 10:42:52
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 11:11:02
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FBB you should reconsider. I for one would be lost without you're being around in these threads. But even though that is no good reason there is a good one and that is letting them win. They have tried to wear us down as one of their tactics. If you don't engage them we will have one less voice of reason to counter them. I know it gets old quick and it requires us to repeat ourselves but they will take over the forum if none us do anything about it.
Sheesh John, don't you think that's just a little melodramatic?
"Letting them win"? There's no 'winning' or 'losing' - no battle lines to be drawn. There's nothing tangible at stake here.
Surely everybody just wants the software to work, period. We're all on the same side, surely?
For people experiencing genuine problems, the last thing they want to hear is a fanboi telling them the product is nigh on flawless.
John, I have a hell of a lot of respect for your DAW-related knowledge, and your willingness to share it with others. But I've said it before and I'll say it again, you convey the impression to me anyway, that if Cakewalk sent you a turd in a box and called it SONAR, you'd be on here defending it to the hilt within minutes.
Generally speaking, bad press is what gets things changed, not a sycophantic acceptance of what your given. Cakewalk don't need apologists - they can fight their own battles. But they do need people - the paying customer - telling them what likes and dislikes they have, what works and what doesn't work. This helps any product improve.
That's not to say people shouldn't say they love the product and want to tell everyone how well it performs, but we do need balance. Anyone who's shelled out their hard earned cash for X1 should be able to pass any comment about their experience with it, good or bad, in these forums. Provided, obviously, that such comments fall within the constraints of the TOS.
I know you're genuinely passionate about Cakewalk, and these forums - but your comments above seem to me very devicive. If one of our much-admired elder statesmen is inciting others to join him in perpetuating an 'us and them' mindset around here, then I find that very sad indeed.
...yes... SteveStrummerUK... you hit the main point... ...I think we do need a common sense, on those basis............ regards.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 14:22:39
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Bub
That's because you and John attack everyone who speaks up and normal people don't want to deal with that kind of treatment so they just don't bother posting.
I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS! I CALL BS!
Remember that? You ridiculous, whiny hypocrite. Happily agressively shouting down the most trivial and innocuous points and then coming over all wounded and outraged when people simply point out errors in what you're saying.
I'm not seeing where anyone is pointing out an error in what I'm saying though? I'm seeing people getting upset that I'm right and attacking me ... but I haven't been set straight on anything that I can tell? And you know my track record ... if I'm wrong, I happily admit it and learn from it. And as far as I can remember ... the thread where I called BS ... I was right ... I'll never figure out why a shouty bad attitude goes so hand in hand with a pathetically thin skin. But it seems like a universal constant.
Again, the whole point of someone like you responding like this is, you have no case. Your point has been debunked and proven false and so you sink to a smear tactic to take the focus off of you because you can't deal with losing the argument. I'm not like that. If I'm wrong about something I make it clear I was wrong, learn from it, and always thank the person who corrected me. What's sad about what's going on here is, I agree with you on most things you post. But like I said before ... the forum will be all yours and John's soon and it won't matter anyway. Just a couple of more days and I'll be out of here. I'm sure you and Cakewalk will both be happy.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 14:32:46
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I think I'll pop up another batch of corn.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 14:54:17
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Make it caramel this time, will ya?
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/30 14:56:26
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John
FBB you should reconsider. I for one would be lost without you're being around in these threads. But even though that is no good reason there is a good one and that is letting them win. They have tried to wear us down as one of their tactics. If you don't engage them we will have one less voice of reason to counter them. I know it gets old quick and it requires us to repeat ourselves but they will take over the forum if none us do anything about it.
UUmmmmm...what is with the setting up of camps and winning vs losing? Surely there is a better way of getting things done without the battle language, or rather, enemy imagery being tossed around here. "us" vs "them", winning or losing, taking over the forum? Wow.Just.Wow. I'm not sure it is about taking over a forum, but it is about getting something to work better than it is..surely to goodness we are here for this? That is why I harp about the full customization as much as I am. For with that on board a lot of this bickerfesting would be put aside.... 
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/31 03:13:42
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That is why I harp about the full customization as much as I am. For with that on board a lot of this bickerfesting would be put aside....
...yep... that's it... then... ...no more douts.... no further ado... let's ALL vote for FULL customization...!  ...which, by the way, to get back to the post subject, is THE actual, "omni-comprehensive" removed capability in X1...... ;-)
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/31 12:17:29
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John
FBB you should reconsider. I for one would be lost without you're being around in these threads. But even though that is no good reason there is a good one and that is letting them win. They have tried to wear us down as one of their tactics. If you don't engage them we will have one less voice of reason to counter them. I know it gets old quick and it requires us to repeat ourselves but they will take over the forum if none us do anything about it.
UUmmmmm...what is with the setting up of camps and winning vs losing?
Surely there is a better way of getting things done without the battle language, or rather, enemy imagery being tossed around here. "us" vs "them", winning or losing, taking over the forum? Wow.Just.Wow.
I'm not sure it is about taking over a forum, but it is about getting something to work better than it is..surely to goodness we are here for this?
That is why I harp about the full customization as much as I am. For with that on board a lot of this bickerfesting would be put aside....
Perhaps a bad choice of words. But its the way things seem to be going. The us versus them kind of situation is a reality unfortunately. The attacks on me and anyone that has a different point of view seem to be accepted in this forum thus the notion it is a war. Its the same people that interject this stuff in these threads. Which means there is a track record that spills over from one thread to another. Where were you and the rest when I and others were being called fanboys?
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/31 13:42:24
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I'm betting two bags of popcorn that John T's logic wins. LOL More seriously, though. I reckon it's a paying customer's prerogitive to make complaints when a product paid for doesn't work well. However, it's just dog-on ridiculous and overkill to make so many complaints as some do here when the product only costs $99. I mean how over exaggerated can you get? Count your blessings and cut your losses and move on.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/31 13:46:06
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As has been said several times though, this is a peer to peer forum. There's a customer services team to go and complain to. None of us here can address complaints. I can't fix bugs, I can't provide refunds, and I'm increasingly finding it hard to even care. That can't just be me.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/31 13:51:18
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OMG!
Are the three of you serious?
LOL!
You know you guys are pathetic right?
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/31 13:59:45
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I see the OP has decided to give it another shot and start new thread. Hopefully that one won't devolve in the way this one did.
There is no need for this bickering. Each viewpoint is being heard and getting through as we all have the ability to read and comprehend. It's not a war. Let's just try to be balanced and factual and realize that we're all people who love music and probably have a lot more in common than we have differences.
The point of the forum is to help each other and for comradery with fellow users. And of course we at Cakewalk gain valuable feedback about what we're doing correctly and with that in which we can improve. When things blow up like this it takes away from the goals and benefits of this forum.
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