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List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
I'd like to see if we could list functions or capabilities that are no longer available in X1 but were available in 8.5. Maybe some on my list are use error but here are the things that are annoying me so far: 1) Inability to change Key+/- for multiple tracks 2) Inability to make changes to drum maps such as velocity while hearing results 3) Inability to drag strips in the console view
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/25 23:53:40
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No more T1, T2, T3 to instantly adjust tempo.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 00:09:05
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No Tool Bar customization.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 00:45:43
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vintagevibe I'd like to see if we could list functions or capabilities that are no longer available in X1 but were available in 8.5. Maybe some on my list are use error but here are the things that are annoying me so far: 1) Inability to change Key+/- for multiple tracks 2) Inability to make changes to drum maps such as velocity while hearing results 3) Inability to drag strips in the console view Shift + Alt + left mouse button hold and drag works now.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 01:24:00
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One thing that really bugs me is this is the first version Cakewalk has come out with back to 1992 that has no display of which midi recording mode you're in: Overwrite, Sound on sound, autopunch. You have to stop playback and look at the preferences. You have to close preferences to resume playback. There's quite a lot of buttons that are available when you customize a toolbar in 8.5, many of these are simply eliminated in X1. Not only can you not customize the toolbars in X1, but many of these buttons are gone. It seems to me the first rule in software development should be "never eliminate features that the user base has gotten used to". I'm surprised X1c hasn't fixed any of this, especially when Cakewalk people gave us the impression in this forum that these would likely be addressed in X1c. I suppose there are more serious problems like crashes and bugs that are a higher priority. If that's the case I just hope there will be an X1d that restores the lost features.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 03:16:55
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gmp You have to stop playback and look at the preferences. You have to close preferences to resume playback. Wow. If that is the case, it's REALLY lame! (I'm still on SONAR 6). That's a setting I usually change relatively often.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 03:33:03
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Several Keybindings, such as Bounce To Track, seem to be non-existent, or hidden really well where I cant find it.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 03:33:36
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Cakewalk Tuner seems missing too! is it?
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 03:35:17
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Colour customization is very poor in X1 compared to 8.5
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 03:54:36
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gmp One thing that really bugs me is this is the first version Cakewalk has come out with back to 1992 that has no display of which midi recording mode you're in: Overwrite, Sound on sound, autopunch. You have to stop playback and look at the preferences. You have to close preferences to resume playback. There's quite a lot of buttons that are available when you customize a toolbar in 8.5, many of these are simply eliminated in X1. Not only can you not customize the toolbars in X1, but many of these buttons are gone. It seems to me the first rule in software development should be "never eliminate features that the user base has gotten used to". I'm surprised X1c hasn't fixed any of this, especially when Cakewalk people gave us the impression in this forum that these would likely be addressed in X1c. I suppose there are more serious problems like crashes and bugs that are a higher priority. If that's the case I just hope there will be an X1d that restores the lost features. +1 to the recording mode indicator. John
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 11:29:25
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gmp One thing that really bugs me is this is the first version Cakewalk has come out with back to 1992 that has no display of which midi recording mode you're in: Overwrite, Sound on sound, autopunch. You have to stop playback and look at the preferences. You have to close preferences to resume playback. There's quite a lot of buttons that are available when you customize a toolbar in 8.5, many of these are simply eliminated in X1. Not only can you not customize the toolbars in X1, but many of these buttons are gone. It seems to me the first rule in software development should be "never eliminate features that the user base has gotten used to". I'm surprised X1c hasn't fixed any of this, especially when Cakewalk people gave us the impression in this forum that these would likely be addressed in X1c. I suppose there are more serious problems like crashes and bugs that are a higher priority. If that's the case I just hope there will be an X1d that restores the lost features. +1,000,000,000.... ...TOTALLY AGREE............ ...I have being "quarreling" a lot around here for this issue, for some blokes pretend not to really understand the actual points in our complaints.... ... and those above are the perfect SUMMARY of the ACTUAL, relative disaster Cakewalk committed with X1...... ...as simple as that..... ...very URGENT restores needed... soon...........
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 11:49:11
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We should boycott Cakewalk until they listen to us and replace all the buttons, menus and customization options that have been removed since SONAR 8.5 Its a fact that at a time when SONAR X1 has become Cakewalk's most popular DAW ever that they are losing customers hand over fist because of these functions being omitted. While we're at it: a cracked SONAR version is so easy to get, I'd like to see Cakewalk implement some better security for protecting genuine license holders. I've had a very positive experience with iLok for several plugins, sound libraries and programs - perhaps they could implement that to cut down on piracy. It would result in more people buying the software, thus improving profits and provide more funds for developemnt so these omitted functions could be returned; perhaps by SONAR X2 or 3.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 11:55:42
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While we're at it: a cracked SONAR version is so easy to get, I'd like to see Cakewalk implement some better security for protecting genuine license holders. I've had a very positive experience with iLok for several plugins, sound libraries and programs - perhaps they could implement that to cut down on piracy. It would result in more people buying the software, thus improving profits and provide more funds for developemnt so these omitted functions could be returned; perhaps by SONAR X2 or 3. You are kidding, right?
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 11:57:17
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...you sound out of tune here... mudgel... ...no one is "boycotting" anything here.... ...just fairly asking to restore (some) useful features... ...to make SONAR gain from the best of the old and new worlds... ...your iLok "suggestion" instead, sounds like boycotting.... as it would certainly take MANY customers away... no doubt about it............
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 11:57:25
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The cognitive dissonances in that post pile up pretty high. He wants a boycott. But he also wants more people to buy it. He thinks its more popular than ever. But he also thinks its losing customers. Wat.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 12:19:52
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LJB Cakewalk Tuner seems missing too! is it? Yep.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 12:35:32
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I hope this thread turns into a well documented list of all the lost capabilities and features. I invite others to chime in and also greatly appreciate Scott R. Garrigus and other debunkers to set us straight when needed.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 12:35:34
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not out of tune at all gothic angel - see this thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2372361 see posts 27, 28, 29 & 31. I was taking the mickey as they say out of our comments in that thread by twisting it around a bit. The emoticon in post 13 above should have indicated something other than a serious post was happening. gothic angel; re-reading some of your posts perhaps English is not your first language and even though the connection seemed obvious to me perhaps my attempts to carry on a joke across the 2 threads was too much under the circumstances..sorry Maybe another week away working is called for.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 12:49:13
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Vintagevibe's opening post suggests making a list of lost "functions or capabilities", which seems sensible enough. Are things that have simply moved - like say the recording lights - really in those categories? And keybindings? Seems to me that there's another topic there, which is design and UI stuff. Obviously, that's valid for discussion, but it can't be just me who groaned with boredom upon seeing YEAH DOOD WERES THE COLOURZ for the millionth time.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 12:52:17
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I mean, there's nothing stopping someone starting their own "List of any generalised gripes across the board" thread. It may sound like I'm being snarky here, I'm really not. I believe in the cakewalk community, and I think if everyone really tries hard, there could one day be a thread that stays on topic, AND isn't just people copy pasting in the same thing they posted yesterday, the day before, the day before that, and will post again tomorrow and the day after.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 12:53:57
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Actually, thinking about it, perhaps the repetitive nature of these threads is indicative of something. Perhaps the list of "lost" stuff is really small.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 13:06:08
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Surprised that Benstat's SONAR PLUS hasn't received a mention. Is it that some or perhaps even many don't know about his program that gains access to many of these disconnected functions (seems they are still there) and make them available again via a fully configurable toolbar. For fear of mentioning color - that's about the only area that ben's addon doesn't seem to recapture from previous versions. . When you include Panup's various color themes and the new soon to be released skinning tool perhaps that ought to satisfy the user base. I'm probably off base it just seems such a neat symbiosis allowing maximum developement resources between Cakewalk and the 3rd party guys whose services to this commmunity seem pretty far reaching on the very subject of this thread.. Could it be that Cakewalk may be content with that sort of "on the side" 3rd party development as it seems purely user driven and they'll get on with the serious business. Don't go wild about my choice of words there. Just seems like an equitable distribution of resources; after all, the guys would have to reverse engineer SONAR to get into the deep guts which I think is prohibited under the EULA It leaves me with a question then; Are there functions that Ben hasn't been able to recapture from past versions? and hasn't Panup's work with color and skinning not been enough? If that's the case then perhaps folks who can't seem to do with out those particular functions could make their requests to Ben and Panup on their forum - my observation is that you've only got to ask Ben and Panup and they're off into their time machine and deliver your request yesterday. I'm serious - the guys are super responsive and seem to be able to churn out functions at an incredible pace - even more surprisig is the incredible stability they get so quickly. Could it be that the underlying code is pretty stable itself.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 13:28:18
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mudgel not out of tune at all gothic angel - see this thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2372361 see posts 27, 28, 29 & 31. I was taking the mickey as they say out of our comments in that thread by twisting it around a bit. The emoticon in post 13 above should have indicated something other than a serious post was happening. gothic angel; re-reading some of your posts perhaps English is not your first language and even though the connection seemed obvious to me perhaps my attempts to carry on a joke across the 2 threads was too much under the circumstances..sorry Maybe another week away working is called for. ...I still think the connection between the 2 threads seems "weak", to say the least.... as the joke across them... ...but... NO worries at all.... really... ...it might just be my sense of humour to blame.... best regards
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 13:40:08
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John T Actually, thinking about it, perhaps the repetitive nature of these threads is indicative of something. Perhaps the list of "lost" stuff is really small. Hi John T, I somehow agree with your statement, really.... What I mean is that the repetitive nature of the threads, in my opinion, indicates that the issue is felt important, anyway.... ...and yes, for the same reasons, the list might be relatively small, as I think nobody wants to completely "erase" X1 at all, but just asking for that bunch of features, felt by many as needed (see customization, in particular...), to be restored, instead.... It's not a huge list, in my view, nevertheless it counts......
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 13:48:05
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I still have the Cakewalk tuner!
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 14:30:09
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The list of truly lost functionality is indeed very short - but only if, as John T suggests, we not count functionality that's still there but is merely less convenient to use. I would counter that making something less convenient can sometimes qualify as "lost functionality" - if it's so severe that someone would prefer to use another application rather than making do with the deprecated (but still present) functionality. My own peeve is automation editing. Sure, I can still do it in X1. In fact, some things are easier and quicker in X1. But it's so inconvenient for the kind of editing I do, it constitutes a showstopper for me. That, I think, qualifies as "lost" functionality.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 15:15:03
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LANEY I still have the Cakewalk tuner! You don't if you do a fresh install and only have X1 on your system.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 15:17:27
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John T Vintagevibe's opening post suggests making a list of lost "functions or capabilities", which seems sensible enough. Are things that have simply moved - like say the recording lights - really in those categories? And keybindings? Seems to me that there's another topic there, which is design and UI stuff. Obviously, that's valid for discussion, but it can't be just me who groaned with boredom upon seeing YEAH DOOD WERES THE COLOURZ for the millionth time. We might also want to distinguish between bugs and design. I think (hope) that the Key +/- thing is a bug. Anyway a comprehensive list is what I was hoping for with this thread. I wonder if Cakewalk really gets how much many of us are frustrated and annoyed daily.
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Re:List of capabilities that have been removed in X1...
2011/08/26 15:22:30
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It's very confusing for me as a long time casual user. I am only now starting to explore below the surface of Sonar so I don't pick up on much of the lost functionality. However, if Cakewalk can remove something and reintroduce it as an improvement then it was really lost functionality. Independent snap settings is an example, or if they were to introduce customizable toolbars. New to X1, but lost functionality from 8.5 The large print giveth, the small print taketh away.
Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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