No its 3/4 full. LOL

Bub
Aw gee, thanks for reminding me. :)
Well the thing is most of us love this tool. I mean really! I think back to my early days dealing with a TASCAM 80-8 tapedeck and I look at how far we've come. Any yahoo such as myself, can have a full blown recording studio at their fingertips for a fraction of the cost. And people, such as you, can interact with the CTO of the product we love so much. And yet some complain because they no longer have a save button? Think Ctrl-S! Or they can't customize their color scheme? I'm sorry but to me this is simply a case of "Stop whining and get back to work!" 
 
In the end Bub, and I believe you understand this, we're really just trying to create a little groove.
 
Regards,
 
 
 

Bub

FastBikerBoy

11. Note lengths in PRV are not remembered like they were in 8.5.

Fixed in X1c.

Not as far as I can tell. Unless there is an option to turn that capability on/off that I can't seem to find.

In the PRV hit T or middle mouse click. Note length selection comes up on the HUD. The "Last note selection" is in the drop down.

Ironically that kinda makes the case for those of us saying hardly anything has been "removed" - moved or changed maybe. Removed, I think the counts still at 1 or 2, but then I'm not counting.............

Actually, it doesn't make your case. That was removed ... they just put it back with X1c because everybody was complaining about it being taken away.

It would have been nice if they would have told us how to utilize it though. I searched the manual and couldn't find anything on it, I even went through all the options when I had the PRV up, it never dawned on me to use the Smart Tool because I never use it in PRV.

Is there a list somewhere of new features of X1c and how to use them?

Seriously ... thanks for this info FBB! I have no problem being proven wrong if I am in fact wrong!

Glad you've got it sorted.

We could argue all day about whether it was included because of complaining on here or because of feature requests being submitted but it's there so that seems a little pointless.

This is me thinking aloud Bub so don't think it's all aimed at you..........

I have probably come across lately as a bit of a fanboi but I've never cared much what people think of me, I'm not that vain I'm afraid. I have a vested interest in making sure that CW as a company is successful as possible, as should anyone who uses their software.

The reason for that attitude is simple, I'm selfish. The more successful they are, the better the programs become, the better I can work. The less likely I am to have to move to another program at an expense to me. I'm the way I am to save me money.

I'm not blind to bugs, as I've been accused of, I think my personal bug report count for X1 is somewhere between 20 & 30. Apart from the latest batch in X1c and some related to the MCU they have all been fixed so far. I post on here and list the steps to reproduce them then report them. What I don't do is post everywhere about the same old thing over & over. I also try and make sure that it's not user error and if I'm having trouble doing something I check the manual and experiment with the various ways of achieving something to see what works best for me. SO far the only bug in the whole life of X1 that I haven't found a simple work round for was the bug that made it impossible to print from the staff view. At the same time many were declaring the program 'unusable' because of the same bugs. My attitude is "I don't have problems, only opportunities to create solutions" - that has served me very well through life so far.

If I really thought that life was going to better on the "other side" I'd be there, junk Sonar, and move on - honest I would. I certainly wouldn't be on here complaining about everything and saying how much better xyz is but then I have a life.

My working methods have changed quite a bit since X1 was released and in most cases it's been for the better, even if at first it seemed alien. I think I can safely say that none of those changes have made my workflow slower. In fact I have speeded up beyond belief.

The trouble I have with some announcing that this is missing, this doesn't work, etc etc is that lurkers read a lot of these factually incorrect posts form an opinion and don't buy/upgrade. Hence hurting my selfish interests. Case in point HERE

In my other thread that as you said correctly "has an agenda" (but incorrectly called hidden) I'm just trying to make a point. That is someone posts on here "I can't split without more clicks" I and others point out "Yes you can hold Alt+click". The OP then says but "I don't want to do that it doesn't suit me" for whatever reason. So they've posted a question, got an answer then moved the goalposts. That's exactly what I've done in the 'agenda' thread. Posted a question, got some answers, and then moved the goalposts. All rather pointless really isn't it? What does it achieve - absolutely nothing other than lost customers, lost revenue for CW and ultimately hurts me.

See I'm all me, me, me.......................... That has been confirmed by both my ex-wifes BTW so I know it's true.

John T

lapieuvre


I was looking for key bindings the other day...  It's still there, isn't it?

Never found it

It's in preferences, but you have to switch the view mode from "Basic" to "advanced". The options are at the bottom left of the preferences window.

Ok, Iwas used to N being Snap/unsnap to grid... now it's F12... Key bindings won't let me do this, any ideas how to restore N as Snap to grid?
 
Thanks

gothic.angel

It's strange how some blokes here go on arguing about the meaning of "lost functionality"..... funny..........

The point in the post is "lost capabilities".... and if some functions have been changed/moved/hidden without leaving choice to the user, it DOES mean there are lost capabilities....

+1

It's strange how some blokes here go on arguing about the meaning of "lost functionality"..... funny..........

The point in the post is "lost capabilities".... and if some functions have been changed/moved/hidden without leaving choice to the user, it DOES mean there are lost capabilities....

my summary being, customization is a capability, and customization involves several and different aspects of SONAR's features.....

now you could dance around and twist it inside-out as much as you want, dear friends, that won't change the FACT that the "mother" of all capabilities, customization, has been lost with X1.... and, if you please, there are folks just trying to get it BACK.....

Really, guys, this is becoming tiresome.... I mean, it seems like any time some customers start a thread like this there some of you (often the usual ones...) jumping in trying to dissuade the others to struggle for things they have close at heart... the result is the thread is somehow "hijacked", though not meant, from the real posters intentions.... 

if people post their personal lists of "removed capabilities", is because they DO perceive those as a loss... and they are addressed to Cakewalk, which has the duty and is in charge to take note of it....  your remarks about the proper meaning of "lost" or "capabilities" are NOT the point, NOT your duty, nor they are needed... frankly...

I hope I made myself understood, as of course this is not about legitimate different views.... at all....  just saying that sometimes, when the case, if you are not joining the specific "class action", it would be simply a nice gesture to leave it to the proponents.... 

My regards to all...

I suppose something is lost if it's still there but you can't find it.

I took 'removed' to mean gone, as in no longer available, unavailable for anyone in any way shape or form. Not present any more, taken away and no longer to be found no matter where you look. I don't know how 'twisted' that is but that's what 'removed' means to me.

So far we have colour customization and the one that I - the supposed defender of all things X1 - pointed out, the brush tool.

Any advances or are we constantly going to dance around the facts and call it removed 'cos it's been moved.

're' only two letters but change the meaning of moved completely.

I bet I know where they were:-)

IN AN OLD FASHIONED CASCADING MENU

AND MANY, MANY CLICKS AWAY

yorolpal

I bet I know where they were:-)

Nah ... they can't be there ... he's been sitting too long typing.

Bub

gothic.angel

It's strange how some blokes here go on arguing about the meaning of "lost functionality"..... funny..........

The point in the post is "lost capabilities".... and if some functions have been changed/moved/hidden without leaving choice to the user, it DOES mean there are lost capabilities....

+1

John T


You can plus one all you like, but it doesn't mean that. That's just plain illiteracy.

 
 
 
 
...Hey Bup, never mind them....
 
Of course they get the concept, although they will never admit it.... instead, they prefer to waste space in the thread to point out the literal meaning of the words... a language lesson, from people not supposed to give any in this place, as a misdirection from the argument essence....
...we have grown used to that... 
 
As I meant in a previous post, if only they pleased to keep off from causes they don't feel theirs, leaving the proponents free to ask for their "rights"....  
 
No word will change the fact, in the meanwhile, that Customization, in almost all of the workflow related aspects about SONAR, is LOST..... 
 
anyway... we can make 'em rest assured... this is going to be a long time lasting argument... until the goal is reached.
 
Until next time...
 
 
 

Bub


Are we talking about the glass or your head John? LOL!

 
What's happened to the forum software? All these green lines! They look nice and quiet; green is such a relaxing color.
 
 
 

There are lists in this thread...  I wrote mine....

But the things in your list are peeves of yours not removed functions........

Seeing as there seems to be some confusion about what removed means, how about you start a thread titled -

"What I can't find or has been moved or I don't like or I find harder to use in X1".

You can then state what you like and be accurate and I promise I won't post in it at all. More importantly people reading this thread and looking for accurate information on what has actually been........... 'removed' - 'taken away' - 'no longer available' - 'isn't there any more' .......can read this thread and they won't get confused by personal niggle lists.

For anyone looking for information on what has been really removed. As far as I can fathom the answers are below.................

1. Tempo ratios
2. Cannot change key in multiple MIDI tracks at once
3. Much of the customization - tools, colours, etc
4. Cannot easily see record mode
5. Track pane in Staff view doesn't select track (I think that's more of a bug than missing feature. i.e. it's there but doesn't work)
6. The pattern brush tool
7. CPU usage as a percentage

5 pages, 145 posts and so far 7 functions removed, 6 if my bug theory on the staff view track pane is correct.

Any more.......... functions removed as opposed to dislikes that is.

FastBikerBoy

There are lists in this thread...  I wrote mine....

But the things in your list are peeves of yours not removed functions........

Seeing as there seems to be some confusion about what removed means, how about you start a thread titled -

"What I can't find or has been moved or I don't like or I find harder to use in X1".

You can then state what you like and be accurate and I promise I won't post in it at all..

 
 
 
Biker, c'mon.... do us a favour.... stop it....             this way you are just proving I'm right.....
 
The confusion sounds yours.... thus keep in mind:
 
...You are NOT the master of threads... You have no power to tell anybody how the threads should be devoleped...
 
...no matter your posts count or whatever.... you are not supposed to correct anybody's thoughts, requests or lists here....!!!
 
...just give it a cut..!!!
 
...now, if you wanna have the last word, get it.... it will be easy, as you seem to be connected 24x7.......
 
...I'm tired of your arrogance, and this time I'm leaving.... in order to not waste further space and eventually let guys post their PERSONAL lists.... to Cakewalk.......
 
 
Goodbye.........
 
 
  

Biker, c'mon.... do us a favour.... stop it.... this way you are just proving I'm right..... The confusion sounds yours.... thus keep in mind: ...You are NOT the master of threads... You have no power to tell anybody how the threads should be devoleped... ...no matter your posts count or whatever.... you are not supposed to correct anybody's thoughts, requests or lists here....!!! ...just give it a cut..!!! ...now, if you wanna have the last word, get it.... it will be easy, as you seem to be connected 24x7....... ...I'm tired of your arrogance, and this time I'm leaving.... in order to not waste further space and eventually let guys post their PERSONAL lists.... to Cakewalk....... Goodbye.........

I don't know it seems to me the OP of a thread would have a good idea what he/she wants from that thread. This would apply to one seeking help or one looking for a discussion. Either way the thread starter has a certain control over what should be posted. One big reason for the off topic idea. True on this forum an OP has no actual control but general courtesy would preclude introducing ideas that are not under discussion. Although I fully understand where you are coming from if the OP tries to make a valid distinction between what is sought and what another wants to interject one must to be civil accept that. The option to start a thread is always open to anyone.