IK Obi
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/27 20:52:47
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No one is being thrown under any buses here (Riiiight?) We are excited to bring SampleTank 3 just as much as you guys are asking for it. We are in the home stretch, 2013.
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/27 23:55:11
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Guitar Rig and others are kickin' the pants off of Amplitube..
With all due respect, Guitar Rig hasn't been updated in a year and a half and offers nothing new in Komplete 9. During the same time period, IK has released nearly 20 new gear models for AmpliTube.
True, but you can bet it won't take NI 4 years to get a new version out...and there have been many Point updates... I'd even venture to say a new version will be out soon...and Amplitube has been at 3.x for how long with no change in sight? GR doesn't "piecemeal" the product...you buy it...or you don't...so they don't come out with new "models" to pay more for...you pay the price and you get...and they do 'add" in some of the updates... With all due respect...
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 00:03:52
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As I've stated previously...
Everyone is free to spend their hard earned icash on what they want...
The junkies will buy whatever the pusher man is pushing..
I choose NOT to purchase anymore iK products...
Ozone and FG-X are vastly superior to T-Racks IMHO..and
you don't find too many Pros endorsing T-Racks anymore..
but quite to the contrary with the Big O and FG-X - coincidence?
(and I don't own either of these - but I DO own T-Racks..IJS)
If they ever come to their iSenses and get their iSh** together...
maybe I might reconsider...
But not likely...sorry..
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Rain
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 01:36:14
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I'll be curious to see how it does.
My guess is that a lot of people have invested in Kontakt and 3rd party libraries at this point. In such a case, you don't just switch samplers - it's almost like your DAW software. It's not like replacing one MiniMoog emulation w/ another.
Sample Tank was a blessing back in the days, because it filled the gap and offered good quality libraries that covered the basic and the some. But nowadays, many DAWs offer great sample-based instruments, and the basic bread and butter are often covered quite well.
I know that personally, I have no use for yet another bunch of "good" instruments - I'd be more likely to invest in specialized 3rd party libraries.
For drums and percussions, there are lots of dedicated options like BFD and SD, which will always have the edge on an all-in-one package imho.
I don't know - I mean, unless ST actually comes w/ a piano that's better than anything out there, basses that rival the Scarbee stuff and such or unless they get massive support from 3rd party developers, I'm curious to see how it'll do.
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 11:48:59
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ST3 will still have a role, at least for me. Yes, I have a lot invested in Kontakt libraries, and most of them are superior to what's in ST2. But I will probably never buy a Kontakt-based sitar, hurdy-gurdy, shaku, bagpipe, Mellotron or other once-in-a-while instrument. ST2 serves that role now, and if ST3 offers as broad a selection but with higher-quality samples, then I'm in.
Unless, of course, they totally screw the pooch and require iLok or charge $700 for it.
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 11:53:33
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cclarry
As I've stated previously...
Everyone is free to spend their hard earned icash on what they want...
The junkies will buy whatever the pusher man is pushing..
I choose NOT to purchase anymore iK products...
Ozone and FG-X are vastly superior to T-Racks IMHO..and
you don't find too many Pros endorsing T-Racks anymore..
but quite to the contrary with the Big O and FG-X - coincidence?
(and I don't own either of these - but I DO own T-Racks..IJS)
If they ever come to their iSenses and get their iSh** together...
maybe I might reconsider...
But not likely...sorry..
Can't disagree more about T-Racks. I just sold all my UAD stuff because I like the T-Racks EQ's an compressors better than the UAD. T-Racks is a serious professional tool. I'm upset with IK for abandoning ST but you're just bashing. Makes you sound like an amateur.
post edited by vintagevibe - 2013/03/28 12:20:34
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 12:30:01
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I just sold all my UAD stuff because I like the T-Racks EQ's an compressors better than the UAD I'm very partial to the LA-2A, 1176, Pultec, and the Limiter (sounds better to my ears than Waves L2). Excellent native plugins... I find no excitement in iApps... and as someone who's constantly changing his DAW (hardware), I get annoyed with the limited authorizations. I understand the irritation with slow development of ST.  It's a daunting task to create a plugin that can compete in the soft-sampler niche'. Kontakt has set the bar *so* high... it's a monumental task to even come close. I'm curious to see what ST3 brings to the table.
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 14:27:26
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IK Obi
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 14:37:23
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Thanks for the support guys, especially those using your ears more than the rest of our product line to decide what tools to use in your studios. As you can see from our Facebook album we have added new instruments to the Making of SampleTank 3 Album because we are in the final stretch. We will not have iLok or charging a ridiculous amount to those already using SampleTank 2.5 or any of our IK VI's without providing a path for upgrade.
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 16:55:39
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Cakewalk by Bandlab - Win10 Pro x64 - StudioCat Platinum Studio DAW - 32 GB Ram - MOTU UltraLite-mk3
M-Audio Keystation 88ES - Akai MPD26 (hot-rodded) - Alesis DM10 - a few guitars, a few amps
Novation Launch Control - Korg nanoKONTROL2 - PreSonus FaderPort - DAW Remote HD on iPad
Adam A7X - Behritone C50A
PreSonus Monitor Station v2 (controlling the mons)
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 17:06:57
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 19:18:24
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The Facebook montage shows just how big a deal it is to make a multi-instrument sample library! And of course after you've captured each note at different velocities with multiple microphones, then you get to spend many mind-numbing weeks editing the thousands of files.
BTW, comparisons to Kontakt's release history are bogus. First, each Kontakt version only introduced a handful of new instruments - many of them are the same files that came with Kontakt 2. From K4 to K5 no libraries were updated at all. The plethora of Kontakt content is due to the efforts of third parties.
Second, NI doesn't give a sh*t about backward compatibility. Libraries created under 4.2 could not be played under version 4.1! Users were sometimes stuck with bugs they couldn't get fixes for, or worse, inadvertently overwrote working libraries with incompatible ones. Many libraries that require Kontakt 5 don't actually use any features unique to K5 - the developer simply used K5 when he created them, guaranteeing they cannot be played in any previous version of Kontakt.
I use Kontakt a lot, but I am not a fan of NI's policies of planned obsolescence and forced upgrades. Now if IKM is just smart enough to implement an open standard that encourages third-party add-ons, ST3 could actually give Kontakt a run for its money.
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IK Obi
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 21:00:15
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We have been updating that Facebook album since 2010 and do have more to share, but don't like ruining surprises for the release. The editing process is very tedious and has been going on for years now. We do hope to bring a lot to the table you guys have been mentioning, plus we have a few of our own unique ideas for it as well.
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/28 23:29:45
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I agree with Bit here...IK does have a real opportunity to leap frog NI. Whether they are able to do it or not is highly problematic and questionable and should be approached with a high degree of skepticism. Plus, so far the only unique idea that IK has had regarding their existing SampleTank users is "here's a tack, why not try sitting on it".
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Rain
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/29 03:42:45
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bitflipper
ST3 will still have a role, at least for me. Yes, I have a lot invested in Kontakt libraries, and most of them are superior to what's in ST2. But I will probably never buy a Kontakt-based sitar, hurdy-gurdy, shaku, bagpipe, Mellotron or other once-in-a-while instrument. ST2 serves that role now, and if ST3 offers as broad a selection but with higher-quality samples, then I'm in.
Unless, of course, they totally screw the pooch and require iLok or charge $700 for it.
I am not sure how the others are doing, but for me, Logic comes w/ pretty much everything need from the traditional stuff to instruments like Ouds and Erhus and Indian Percussions - all of which sound much better than any current ST instrument. As good as it gets unless you're ready to spend so serious money. Cubase users have Halion Sonic - which I guess they can upgrade. Pro Tools users have Structure. Sonar users - I don't know... Doesn't Dimension and its expansions sound at least as good as ST?
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Glyn Barnes
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/29 03:54:43
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bitflipper
The Facebook montage shows just how big a deal it is to make a multi-instrument sample library!
BTW, comparisons to Kontakt's release history are bogus. First, each Kontakt version only introduced a handful of new instruments - many of them are the same files that came with Kontakt 2. From K4 to K5 no libraries were updated at all. The plethora of Kontakt content is due to the efforts of third parties.
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The montage shows pretty much the stock, core sounds, piano, organ, guitars, drums. These will no doubt appeal to people buying their first sampler but to tip the balance for some one like me who has these bases well covered they are going to need to be special (or the update needs to be cheap). For example, what they do with the guitars will be interesting. With out the type of scripting of the type included in Orange Tree, Indiginus or Iliya Efimov's offerings for Kontakt, no matter how carefully they are sampled, they are not going to be earth shattering. However if I read it correctly, most of the people complaining here about the lack of updates would have been happy with a NI type approach with a new Sampletank engine being released much sooner with just a limited amount of new content. The main bone of contention seems to be the inability to use Sampletank in the 64 bit environment without crashes and other inconveniences and the difficult to read interface. I have not had issues with ST in 64 bit Sonar dut I do not use it extensivly. It seems many people do run into problems.
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/29 04:04:35
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Sonar users - I don't know... Doesn't Dimension and its expansions sound at least as good as ST?
I would say yes. Much of the factory library and Digital Sound Factory stuff is similar in quality, but there is nothing in Dim Pro to match Miroslav. Sample Tank covers some gaps in Dim Pro and visa-versa. Some of Dim Pros gaps could be filled by buying more expansions, but if I an spending cash its more likley to go to Kontakt libraries. (Disclaimer - I can't comment on Sample Moog or Sample Tron on Sonic Synth as I don't have them) I tend to go to Dim Pro or Sample tank when I can't find what I want in Kontakt or Independence.
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Rain
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/29 05:44:27
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Yeah, Miroslav would be one heck of an exception. Unless someone is ready to spend some serious money on orchestral libraries, there's nothing quite like Miroslav - it's the must have.
Same for SampleTron, though in this case, it's more a matter of variety than actual quality. If all you want is the classic Strings/Flute/Brass/Choir, no need to spend money on plug-ins. Though w/ the current prices on IK plug-ins, unless you're on a very tight budget, you should probably grab SampleTron, anyway.
Sonik Synth - it didn't age that well...
SampleMoog... At first I thought I liked it. But there's something "static" about it. It just doesn't breathe...
I still use Dimension Pro on my Mac - and to my own ears, a lot of the instruments in it sound remarkably better than SampleTank, though I don't think its potential has been reached. And sadly, now that René is gone, I'm afraid it'll just fall by the side of the road.
Sad, because some other folks understood the potential of SFZ (hello Alchemy), and Cakewalk, who had a couple of cool and unique cross-platform synths missed an opportunity...
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Glyn Barnes
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/29 06:26:14
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For Moog and Mellotron I mostly use GForce M-Tron Pro and Minimonsta. GForce is another company that are late to the 64 bit party, but M-Tron pro has recently been updated to 64 bit and MiniMonsta is beta testing.
M-Tron pro covers almost every conceivable tron sound and if you add the expansion packs you get the wild and whakey too, however there is something very special about Hollow Sun's Neutron Bomb (for Kontakt) if you want organic, raw warts and all Mellotron.
Minimonsta, as a emulation, rather than a sample based instrument really breaths. Arturia has been the main competition, it will be intresting to see how how Native Instruments new Monark minimoog emulator fits in.
So I never felt the need for Sampletron or Sample Moog even when they were going cheap.
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/29 10:10:11
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Ik Obi: We will not have iLok or charging a ridiculous amount to those already using SampleTank 2.5 or any of our IK VI's without providing a path for upgrade.
That's good to know :)
I own various IK plugins (VI and Effects) and I'm curious to see how ST3 shapes up because I might consider upgrading to ST3.
Good luck IK, wishing you all great success!
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IK Obi
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/29 17:14:39
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@Rain, I'd have to challenge your opinion on Sonik Synth 2, besides Miroslav, its by far my favorite of the IK VIs. It covers a TON of ground, much further than just synths. My favorite EP is in Sonik Synth 2 and the drums are some of my most used. Besides Miroslav, I have always heard more on forums about Sonik Synth then the others as well.
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IK Obi
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/29 17:16:15
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@songcraft, thanks for the kind words! We are really excited for SampleTank 3 too! :D
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/29 18:49:17
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Rain
Yeah, Miroslav would be one heck of an exception. Unless someone is ready to spend some serious money on orchestral libraries, there's nothing quite like Miroslav - it's the must have.
Same for SampleTron, though in this case, it's more a matter of variety than actual quality. If all you want is the classic Strings/Flute/Brass/Choir, no need to spend money on plug-ins. Though w/ the current prices on IK plug-ins, unless you're on a very tight budget, you should probably grab SampleTron, anyway.
Sonik Synth - it didn't age that well...
SampleMoog... At first I thought I liked it. But there's something "static" about it. It just doesn't breathe...
I still use Dimension Pro on my Mac - and to my own ears, a lot of the instruments in it sound remarkably better than SampleTank, though I don't think its potential has been reached. And sadly, now that René is gone, I'm afraid it'll just fall by the side of the road.
Sad, because some other folks understood the potential of SFZ (hello Alchemy), and Cakewalk, who had a couple of cool and unique cross-platform synths missed an opportunity...
I still love Sonic Synth. A shame I can't use it. How is it that vintage synths don't age well? Agree on Cakewalk and Dimension Pro. It's a growing list of things Cakewalk drops the ball on or half bakes. They could have had a serious VI business going but that's completely dead now.
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IK Obi
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Re:SampleTank
2013/03/31 17:28:55
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Sonik Synth gets the majority of my use in the IK VIs I have inside of SampleTank.
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