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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/03 08:16:47
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musichoo Please forgive my ignorance. What is notion?
Music notation software. It's quite good.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/03 13:04:11
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I tried to use it with Sonar X3 and Sibelius and sync was far too unreliable to use. With Notion it was reliable as far as sync but passing MIDI data from Sibelius to Sonar was unreliable. Even if I got it to work, Sibelius and Notion don't implement re-wire in a way that would be useful to me. If you could load all of your sounds into your DAW and just run a re-wired notation app to send MIDI data and control the VSTi's in the DAW it would be usable to me.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/03 16:05:46
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No. Rewire is not an option with Overture, the former Cakewalk score editor. I had to switch to LoopBe30, but it only carries MIDI. It is very simple to use and rock-solid. But audio from a soft-synth can be plugged right back into a Sonar track via the device ports, so no problem. -Mike
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/03 16:22:27
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i could never get Sonar to Rewire with Notion, which is a shame as i find notation much easier to use than piano roll/midi editing for orchestration. Notion is a great product in its own right though.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/03 19:25:53
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Never used Rewire. It appears that everyone is talking about using it to get midi from say, Notion, into Sonar, so you can then mix and master. But what about using it the other way? That is, to send midi from Sonar into Notion, so you can work on a professional score? that would be my interest, but I can't find anything on that. It looks like a one-way street.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/03 20:34:51
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use it with sibelius and reason... haven't had any unusual sync issues with either except for repeated passages in sibelius.
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Anderton
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/03 21:00:20
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michael diemer Never used Rewire. It appears that everyone is talking about using it to get midi from say, Notion, into Sonar, so you can then mix and master. But what about using it the other way? That is, to send midi from Sonar into Notion, so you can work on a professional score? that would be my interest, but I can't find anything on that.
Actually it is a one-way street, but from host to client. So if Notion is the client, you should be good to go: SONAR sends the MIDI, and Notion audio appears in SONAR's mixer along with whatever you have going on in SONAR. I haven't tried it, but based on ReWire theory it should work.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/03 22:37:21
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So, I can export my Sonar files into Notion, and they will become a score there? That's what I'm talking about. I know XML files can be exported/imported, but usually people are doing that to go from one DAW to another. I'm talking about going from a DAW project in Sonar, to a notation project in Notion or some other program.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/04 05:59:11
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I occasionally reWire Reason into Sonar. Still some really nice synths and other instruments there that I really like. One of the things I use it most for is the Abbey Road Keyboards refill.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/04 06:23:44
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michael diemer So, I can export my Sonar files into Notion, and they will become a score there? That's what I'm talking about. I know XML files can be exported/imported, but usually people are doing that to go from one DAW to another. I'm talking about going from a DAW project in Sonar, to a notation project in Notion or some other program.
Rewire is a real time process. It allows you to pass midi data to a client which then returns audio to the host. It doesn't work well for notation in this case because Sonar has to be the Host. Now if Notion could be the host you could write your midi score in Notion Rewire to sonar as Midi and return the audio in Notion. Sadly it doesn't may works as the former not the latter. You can export XML from Sonar and import it into Notion, but for the editing effort required its easier to just do the project in Notion if a good quality score is what's required. Notion hosts VSTis but if the sound isn't good enough that's when to export the MIDI XML and then open that in Sonar and then finish the audio side if you also want a master able finished audio project. A bit convoluted but the only way I've been able to get it done well.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/05/04 08:26:10
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It doesn't work well for notation in this case because Sonar has to be the Host. Now if Notion could be the host you could write your midi score in Notion Rewire to sonar as Midi and return the audio in Notion. Sadly it doesn't may works as the former not the latter.
I see no reason why Notion could not just return silence, and make use of the midi to make score for you. I rewired Reaper into Reaper doing that - since it can work as both rewire host and rewire client. Not sure what is least amount of work with most benefit to users - extend notation as it is now in Sonar or put all effort on extending rewire abilites. What may come for free is Waves connection from Tune could work within Sonar, making Sonar transport and Tune sync properly to run in loop on a time range section etc.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/12/30 02:40:04
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I have just begun using Sonar Professional after using Reason exclusively for years. It's a great program. I'd even say it can be quite a teacher when it comes to synthesis, signal paths, and creative mixing techniques. The version i have doesn't have any vst capability(6.5.2), but i love it, so i kept it. Prior to this setup, i was running Reason in tandem with Komplete 8, Maschine, and u-he's gorgeous VST's within Logic (before the upgrade/downgrade debacle took place). Anyway, the need for more diverse eq's and signal proccesors overall is what leads me here. but my inital question to the salesperson was, "Does it have reWire?" Resounding yes=sonar professional! diving into rewire TODAY.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/12/30 08:39:19
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Is Notation now owned by Presonus.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/12/30 14:20:56
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☄ Helpfulby uhurushule83 2015/12/30 18:20:54
uhurushule83 I have just begun using Sonar Professional after using Reason exclusively for years. Reason complements SONAR very well, given that Reason provides a rack of useful instruments. FWIW when Cakewalk implemented ReWire the guys from Propellerheads said it was one of the best implementations, if not the best implementation, they'd seen of ReWire.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/12/30 15:57:15
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I used it in the Gigastudio days, before they came out with a VST version. It was difficult to get consistent performance.
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Re: How Many Here Use ReWire?
2015/12/30 18:37:05
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Anderton Reason complements SONAR very well, given that Reason provides a rack of useful instruments. FWIW when Cakewalk implemented ReWire the guys from Propellerheads said it was one of the best implementations, if not the best implementation, they'd seen of ReWire.
Can't wait to really see it in action. I think i got a little overambitious in trying to rewire a fully loaded reason song file (16 GB of RAM can get your head in the clouds real quick). then i realized that i was trying to reinvent the doggone wheel, and just bounced out the tracks and made the song sound 280% better. That's some true percentage. Checked out your guide and that was the only way i even attempted half of it, so grateful for you writing that. for anyone else searching or trying to figure it all out, Start from the beginning of the guide to play ReWire and Sonar.
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