Doktor Avalanche

Anderton
I still question the wisdom of spending time solving a problem for which solutions already exist.

Ableton?

 
2 patch cords = $4.99
Ableton Live Standard = $499
 
I'd think with all the interest in Eurorack modulars, hardcore synth folks wouldn't find the concept of using two patch cords so alien 
 

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
There is nothing special or particularly clever about feedback detection :)
All it requires is checking a circuit to see if it loops back on itself. SONAR does feedback detection in the output routing UI today - you cannot route an output to a bus or sidechain input if that would result in feedback.

Why avoid feedback loop? It is not a bug, it is a feature. In video i posted before it is used to create complicated delay effect. There nothing wrong with doing feedback loops, and it can be done with virtual audio interface inputs/outputs (but with sizable latency). If it would be possible in Sonar, it could be implemented in even more clever way. Additionally to the option to allow or not feedback loops, we could have option to switch audio engine off, if volume in loop is greater -10db, or 0 db, or +10db, as user would set.

Anderton
 
2 patch cords = $4.99
Ableton Live Standard = $499
 
I'd think with all the interest in Eurorack modulars, hardcore synth folks wouldn't find the concept of using two patch cords so alien 
 

Or REAPER for $60, or if you are happy to be a little bereft of morals, you can download the demo which is the full product with no restrictions, which even after the 'demo period'  expires will continue to function with no restrictions for ever and a day.

jih64

Anderton
 
2 patch cords = $4.99
Ableton Live Standard = $499
 
I'd think with all the interest in Eurorack modulars, hardcore synth folks wouldn't find the concept of using two patch cords so alien 
 

Or REAPER for $60, or if you are happy to be a little bereft of morals, you can download the demo which is the full product with no restrictions, which even after the 'demo period'  expires will continue to function with no restrictions for ever and a day.

I just don't get the logic. The original question, in case it's been forgotten by now, is about (supposedly) not being able to do real-time recording of an instrument in SONAR. But unless you have only a 2x2 interface, which seems inadequate for most professional applications anyway, you can do it with two patch cords. Why would you need to spend $60, leave the SONAR environment (remember the original question),  record a track, then bring it back into SONAR? Yeah, I was brought up with modular synths and patch bays so patch cords aren't an alien concept to me, but still...

Adq

Anderton
I'd much rather see development effort spent on functions that SONAR actually doesn't do, like a "drum machine mode" for the PRV.

It would be nice, do you have some inside information if it is considered?

 
No, it's just something I'd like to see.
 

But I have the opposite view, I'd prefer existing functions to be polished, than new functions to be added in marketing goals, and they also never be working perfect, because of more new features should take development time. I'd like to see "drum machine mode" for the PRV but 1000% more I'd like to see existing Drum Pane in PRV working flawless.

 
I wasn't saying what you wanted, I was saying what I wanted. As I rarely use the drum pane or drum maps, I'd 1000% more like to see a drum machine mode for the PRV. But realistically, what you're asking for will likely be addressed first, as more people are asking for that than a drum machine mode that allows editing while overdubbing.

2:43AM
Do any other DAW's out there allow a VST synth to be recorded in real-time?

Pro Tools.  Cubase.   I've used Cubase for this very thing - it works smoothly, easily, totally in sync.   Dead Easy & flawlessly perfect.     

noel's answer is the most informative, actually going some way to explaining why sonar doesn't do this, rather than offering workarounds and questioning why a user might want to do it
thanks noel :)

There are always alternatives in the toolbox. I'd rather be using Sonar than another DAW though. Physical cable loopbacks.... frack that... give me a hovercar instead...

I think one of the reasons why people continue raising that not most important question is that they could be frustrated by knowing that there is a feature, that is implemented in any other DAW, but not in Sonar. It has psychological aspect, that should not be underestimated. Every DAW has it, Sonar hasn't => Sonar is worse than other DAWs; I use Sonar => I am worse than others. It sounds ridicules, but...

Adq
I think one of the reasons why people continue raising that not most important question is that they could be frustrated by knowing that there is a feature, that is implemented in any other DAW, but not in Sonar. It has psychological aspect, that should not be underestimated. Every DAW has it, Sonar hasn't => Sonar is worse than other DAWs; I use Sonar => I am worse than others. It sounds ridicules, but...

Yes, but you can play that game with any DAW. There are so many things SONAR does that other DAWs don't do...I just received an email from a manufacturer that has been creating templates for various DAWs for an upcoming product, and he praised SONAR for having a proper NRPN implementation, the ability to rename CC lists for specific instruments, and various other features that in his viewpoint as a developer were done so much better than other DAWs. 
 
But really, at the end of the day all that matters is the emotional impact on the listener of the music you create with your DAW of choice. If people see DAWs solely as a collection of features, IMHO they're missing the point.

jih64

2:43AM
Do any other DAW's out there allow a VST synth to be recorded in real-time?

REAPER

I'm sorry. This is getting a little silly. Reaper is an excellent tool but come on, man. You're on the Sonar forum. We are all aware it exists and many of us have tried it and even have it installed.
 
Personally I find Reaper useful in many ways but ONLY in the stuff that is lacking in my DAW of choice... Sonar. It is not, to me, a particularly creativity inducive environment like Sonar is. It is also severely lacking in all the extra creative tools (like the massive instrument and effects suite Sonar has).
 
Reaper is an excellent DAW (as in a recording, editing and perhaps mixing platform if you already have purchased all the necessary tools to compliment it) but its main competitors, as far as form and function are the PTs and Cubase's of the world. Not Sonar. Sonar is an animal all on its own and that's why it has such a rabid (if not maybe smallish) fanbase.
 
I say to you, in all respect, Cakewalk Sonar is not the demon you should be attempting to slay. If anything Sonar compliments Reaper (and vice versa).
 
It's a free forum and all that but really this persistence of yours to try and convince everyone that Reaper is a better solution to Sonar is misguided at best.
 
BTW... I was pleasantly surprised to learn that almost ALL of the tools I have acquired over the past few years work in Reaper (I thought they were locked). Despite that the Sonar environment, to me, is much prefarable to the Reaper environment. I would use Reaper for simple and reliable tracking on under powered systems and occasionally to access some of the features Sonar may not provide. Otherwise I will run back to the loving arms of Sonar every time.
 
And I used to use freaking Nuendo... supposedly creme de la creme when it comes to this stuff.
 
Peace, love, unity and high fibre granola.

Anderton
But really, at the end of the day all that matters is the emotional impact on the listener of the music you create with your DAW of choice. If people see DAWs solely as a collection of features, IMHO they're missing the point.

On the basis of this Cakewalk should supply a fat one at least once a month with subscriptions..

Where does that leave Random Sample Hold then?

Beepster

jih64

2:43AM
Do any other DAW's out there allow a VST synth to be recorded in real-time?

REAPER

I'm sorry. This is getting a little silly. Reaper is an excellent tool but come on, man. You're on the Sonar forum. We are all aware it exists and many of us have tried it and even have it installed.
 
Personally I find Reaper useful in many ways but ONLY in the stuff that is lacking in my DAW of choice... Sonar. It is not, to me, a particularly creativity inducive environment like Sonar is. It is also severely lacking in all the extra creative tools (like the massive instrument and effects suite Sonar has).
 
Reaper is an excellent DAW (as in a recording, editing and perhaps mixing platform if you already have purchased all the necessary tools to compliment it) but its main competitors, as far as form and function are the PTs and Cubase's of the world. Not Sonar. Sonar is an animal all on its own and that's why it has such a rabid (if not maybe smallish) fanbase.
 
I say to you, in all respect, Cakewalk Sonar is not the demon you should be attempting to slay. If anything Sonar compliments Reaper (and vice versa).
 
It's a free forum and all that but really this persistence of yours to try and convince everyone that Reaper is a better solution to Sonar is misguided at best.
 
BTW... I was pleasantly surprised to learn that almost ALL of the tools I have acquired over the past few years work in Reaper (I thought they were locked). Despite that the Sonar environment, to me, is much prefarable to the Reaper environment. I would use Reaper for simple and reliable tracking on under powered systems and occasionally to access some of the features Sonar may not provide. Otherwise I will run back to the loving arms of Sonar every time.
 
And I used to use freaking Nuendo... supposedly creme de la creme when it comes to this stuff.
 
Peace, love, unity and high fibre granola.

No 1, I'll say what I like where and when I like, I am a Sonar user as well, and I am just pointing out the fact, you don't like it . . . tough. Obviously some aren't aware it exists, or that it has the function. I'm not attempting to slay anything, so don't try putting words in my mouth. Thank you