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2016/02/17 13:35:24 (permalink)

Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon]

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 13:52:33 (permalink)
Very nice Andrew.  Such a simple thing, but I want it!
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 14:23:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tparker24 2016/02/17 19:00:03
Another way to do something that's already pretty easy. Meh, sorry.

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 14:37:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Klaus 2016/02/17 14:59:12
Another way of looking at it, is that this is a "making things simple and obvious for new users" feature. I very much welcome stuff like that, as the more new users Sonar can attract and retain, the better for me in the end, as the company is a stronger position.
 
I've long thought that the remaining open battleground between DAWs is mostly around with ease-of-use and shallowness of learning curve.

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 14:45:11 (permalink)
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Another way to do something that's already pretty easy. Meh, sorry.

Right clip menu, keyboard shortcut, control surface binding... But on that place I currently see time display, which is definitively more useful that this "+" button. Is it going to be removed?

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 15:00:27 (permalink)
I like to explore soft-synths and libraries. Currently I'm working on several projects where each has just one synth with a particular library. This new Add Track feature appears to be great time saver. It might not be as fast as using templates, but seems very versatile and easy to use.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 15:09:14 (permalink)
I like that.

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 15:34:04 (permalink)
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I like to explore soft-synths and libraries. Currently I'm working on several projects where each has just one synth with a particular library. This new Add Track feature appears to be great time saver. It might not be as fast as using templates, but seems very versatile and easy to use.

There is already "+" button in the rack to do the same, with more properties in "Insert Soft Synth Options". And I see one difference in that video, which potentially can render new button almost useless: there is no "Enable MIDI Output" option and in current version it is enabled by default (the reason for many posts from people which use "Omni" MIDI input).

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 15:41:49 (permalink)
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But on that place I currently see time display, which is definitively more useful that this "+" button. Is it going to be removed?



I don't think I've ever looked at that time display.  In fact I had to bring up my current project to see what you were talking about.  I use the Control Bar's clock which I have positioned dead center at eye level.
 
I like this new function.  I've just recently begun using the "+" button in the Synth Rack instead of double clicking in Plugins/Instruments, and this similar button will fit right in.  It's certainly more obvious to new users, as has been mentioned.
 
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 15:44:58 (permalink)
Nice I like this.
Hope I can use a keystroke to open it (I probably will if I look hard enough, or if someone tells me)
Seems easier to get a hold of for new users as well.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 15:52:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tparker24 2016/02/17 19:01:40
No "Insert Above / Insert Below Current Track"? 
"Top / Bottom of current folder"?
"As First / As Last track in project"?
 It's the housekeeping afterwards that's time consuming.
"Clone Track" at least has a "Starting Track" option.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 16:03:13 (permalink)
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No "Insert Above / Insert Below Current Track"? 
"Top / Bottom of current folder"?
"As First / As Last track in project"?
 It's the housekeeping afterwards that's time consuming.
"Clone Track" at least has a "Starting Track" option.


I agree that this should be an option in advanced.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 16:08:36 (permalink)
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No "Insert Above / Insert Below Current Track"? 
etc...



Maybe in a future upate.  At least there's now an easy place to put the options, and the code has to be pretty easy.
I like the idea.
 

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 16:09:28 (permalink)
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There is already "+" button in the rack to do the same, with more properties in "Insert Soft Synth Options".

Not really. You cannot insert 10 instances of the same synth and organize them within a folder from synth rack.
I also have some suggestions for Synth Rack improvements here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3338619
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 16:19:58 (permalink)
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Another way to do something that's already pretty easy. Meh, sorry.

As long as there's a way to disable it. I work mobile on a laptop.  I need all the screen real-estate I can get for more immediate things.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 16:20:09 (permalink)
Quick and easy but doubt if it will change my old school seasoned way of workflow.
 
Good for new Users. Something as an Old User that I probably wont use.

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 17:05:32 (permalink)
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...Good for new Users...

A new user clicks the button and inserts these 99 tracks but wants them elsewhere.
 
1) The user is so new not to know about clicking Insert > Audio Track.
2) Sonar only lets you drag-drop one track at a time.
 
How is the new user going to reposition the tracks?
Sonar has it's usability issues, but they lie elsewhere.
 
Edit: Sorry, I agree with your observation, I just needed the quote to get my point across.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 17:07:02 (permalink)
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Another way to do something that's already pretty easy. Meh, sorry.

As long as there's a way to disable it. I work mobile on a laptop.  I need all the screen real-estate I can get for more immediate things.




The feature doesn't add any screen real-estate to SONAR's interface. It minimizes down to an + button when the track pane is shifted to the left. Once it's open, it disappears when you click away.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 17:08:04 (permalink)
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Quick and easy but doubt if it will change my old school seasoned way of workflow.
 
Good for new Users. Something as an Old User that I probably wont use.




Exactly, you guys have your own slick ways of using SONAR. New users will have the ability to insert new tracks easily.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 17:11:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/02/17 17:28:11
 
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Nice I like this.
Hope I can use a keystroke to open it (I probably will if I look hard enough, or if someone tells me)
Seems easier to get a hold of for new users as well.
All the best.





SHIFT + INSERT should open and close the menu.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 17:11:51 (permalink)
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Another way to do something that's already pretty easy. Meh, sorry.

Right clip menu, keyboard shortcut, control surface binding... But on that place I currently see time display, which is definitively more useful that this "+" button. Is it going to be removed?


No, this won't be removed.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 17:59:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2016/02/17 19:57:12
Personally, I'm a long time Sonar user and, I like it! It's a nice, clean looking, fast, simple way of doing something. What's wrong with that?  



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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 18:10:37 (permalink)
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1) The user is so new as not to have though of clicking on Insert>Audio Track.



I'm not that new and this afternoon I wanted to quickly insert 12 audio tracks into a new project.  I right click and see only "Insert Track" [hmmm].  I hit "Insert" in the main menu and see only "Audio Track", "MIDI Track" and "Soft Synth" (followed by "Rewire Device").  I mutter to myself and manually insert a single track 12 times.  It kept nagging me that there had to be a way so I searched the forum and learned that there is a "Multiple Tracks" buried in the Insert menu.  It would have been so much easier with this new way, or had there been a 'multiple' option clearly visible in the context menu.
 

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 18:18:51 (permalink)
Nice like that.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 18:22:50 (permalink)
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Another way to do something that's already pretty easy. Meh, sorry.

Right clip menu, keyboard shortcut, control surface binding... But on that place I currently see time display, which is definitively more useful that this "+" button. Is it going to be removed?


No, this won't be removed.


Ah, cool. I do use that from time to time. Useful to have two different time-bases visible sometimes, eg: MBT and absolute time, or (in a recent case) absolute time and samples. I would have missed it a bit, I think.

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 18:25:39 (permalink)
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Quick and easy but doubt if it will change my old school seasoned way of workflow.
 
Good for new Users. Something as an Old User that I probably wont use.




Exactly, you guys have your own slick ways of using SONAR. New users will have the ability to insert new tracks easily.
-DG


Yeah, the first thing I thought was "well, I've got track templates now for nearly all of my common use cases, so I don't need this". But the second thing I thought was "this is great for anything I don't already have a template for".
 
It's basically a wizard-style approach, when previously we've only had a manual config-style approach. I think it's nice.

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 18:27:06 (permalink)
I have a question, from watching the video. Can you change the initial defaults?
 
I don't mean change them in the box; obviously you can do that. I mean change what's initially selected when you open the box.
 
For example, the video says that the default input for audio tracks is your interface's first STEREO input. For myself, I'll want that in like 1 in a thousands cases, if ever.
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 18:47:19 (permalink)
Thanks for the comments Dan.  I do see promise in this.  I am no newbie (20 years), but for all the different kind  of templates I've made my midi routings keep getting messed up when I load them using multi-timbral synths.  
 
I saw a tutorial for Omnisphere 2 being used in Logic, and maybe it was edited, but it didn't look like it, and I watched 2 seconds of video about 9 times. It was two clicks, one looked like a square but it knew what synth he was using (because he was at the time) and anticipated that he wanted the next available midi channel (no doubt selected in whatever their Preferences page is called). 
 
But it was such a basic concept - someone adding a sound into a multitimbral instrument and had the new midi track in focus so he could hear it.
 
As of now I right click to an empty space, add the midi track, open the Track Inspector, select the midi channel then click off and then on the new track to give it "focus" (yes I know I could save a step, but at least I know this fool-proof :-), but it still seems cumbersome. 
 
So I've been very interested in this new feature when it was "coming soon".  That the TTS1 is the 1st thing that comes up in the list seems that you're feeling occasional brain-lapses by some of your customers (like me). 
 
I hope this makes some semblance of sense, because this is the closest I've ever come to a feature request.  My apologies in either case. 
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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 19:26:42 (permalink)
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That the TTS1 is the 1st thing that comes up in the list seems that you're feeling occasional brain-lapses by some of your customers (like me). 

 
I would hope that this synth list is user programmable using Plug-in Layouts just like every other synth list in Sonar (there are at least 4 other lists).  I never use TTS1.
 

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Re: Get a sneak preview of new Add Track Menu [Coming Soon] 2016/02/17 19:40:04 (permalink)
What is the problem this feature was designed to solve? Were people unaware of how to add a track? Was it to improve the speed/workflow of adding a track?
 
I'd love to see Sonar move in the direction of "FEWER menus, windows, and clicks" to truly speed up the workflow. For instance, 1) clicking the Add Track button should just automatically add an audio track routed to the master output. One click. Covers probably 90% of audio track use cases. 2) Clicking and dragging an instrument to the Project pane should automatically add a single instrument track routed to the master bus. Single click and drag operation, covers most use cases. No pop up windows, no extraneous options.
 
Now...for when I want to add multiple tracks or want to route tracks somewhere else, or create a folder, how about: 3) Ctrl+Add Track Button to open the pop-up menu. Do something similar for synths when I need a multi-timbral or multi-out setup. 
 
The goal in Sonar should be to reduce the menu-popup type behavior so more operations are done in a single click. It may involve figuring out how to do things on the back end (like setting up multiple outputs on an instrument from the plugin menu in Studio One) but there's definitely a way to be flexible and fast.

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